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best days airsoft i ever had there were maybe 1 or 2 pews that didn't have airlines. even though i was on the dark side myself at the time i saw all those air lines and thought "well today is gonna be shit", but boy was i wrong about that. basically every usual gripe about airsoft proceeded to not happen the entire day and the closest thing to dickish behaviour (and i'm really stretching the definition here) was opting to fire one round somewhere it wouldn't hurt over risking a (non-mandatory at that site) bang kill. when the players aren't arseholes the gear they're using becomes irrelevant.

As a fellow grumpy old cnut, I'd be happy if gats were kept stock rof, or even better would be that they matched their real steel counterparts. I cringe when I'm on site & I hear gats running at a ridiculous rof, & usually take an instant personal dislike to their small dicked owners 😏

This is the absolute truth, unfortunatly when you get players who are and who are packing guns with insane ROF the day tends to down the toilet pretty rapidly. Not a fan of HPA personally but the high ROF issue doesn't just apply to them , plenty of aegs with stupidly high ROF too and all too often you get a knob using one .

I'm looking for a Ferrari SF90, new or used, but sadly i only have £348.87 and a packet of Hubba Bubba.

Hi folks Having had our last game of the year today, there was a good turn out of first time players using site rental guns (JG G36’s if it matters) There was the usual mixture of folks using aeg’s, snipers and some HPA players. now normally I’m a live & let live attitude kinda guy, but I did see a few of the new player heads go down after lunchtime in the last few games, had a quick chat with them and they commented on the significant difference between the site guns and some of the regulars aeg’s V the hpa players The hpa guns were easily having a ROF of circa 35-40 a second, and in the game areas where full auto was allowed due to engagement rules, they were simply suppressing the new players with their ROF & slightly aggressive play style. The site doesn’t (yet) have a ROF cap, but that may start next year I have to add , this is an outdoor woodland site, NOT an urban or CQB / indoor 1: is it fair to cap hpa players play style / ROF ? 2: What’s an acceptable ROF to allow “fair game play”? Answers on a postcard please to: Grumpy Old Man Wants to see the new player’s encouraged Not a one time player never to be seen again street 👍

HPA user here... personally I love to use semi and only use Full auto when someone deserves it (Not hit taking) - I can adjust the ROF on mine to Wanker level...but why? All your doing as advertising that you a cunt and there is no need. One lad on our site who plays every now and again sets his up to fire at a billion rps...and everyone thinks he's a knob. Marshalls informed and aware and chrono'd to right limits...but still a wanker for running something that fast and overshooting peeps as well. (He's young and I think trying to show off to his mates with his setup all the time) I always wary of peeps on the site, even more so for rentals & new players..we need more peeps coming into Airsoft, not driving them away by shooting the crap out of them with silly ROF setups. **Btw using HPA as an example...seen plenty of peeps with DSG builds and high ROF builds being dicks as well... But it's airsoft..and people are people.... Merry Xmas everyone.

Exactly. Highly unfair to have a pop at someone who would have struggled to overshoot anyone even if they had tried. Seeing the kit someone uses and making assumptions is daft.

Bang on. Its the players which make or break the dayon a site and if anyone is acting like a like a prick with an extreme rate of fire it should be the marshals who have a word and make it known that they need to curb it or leave.

We call them wanker guns for a reason. Anything over 20rps and you're playing a different game from the rest of us, whether you get there via HPA, DSG or a 40-Mike.

tbh, i don't think even that works out for a sufficiently determined arse.

Decent human being + low ROF gun = ✔️ Decent human being + high ROF gun = ✔️ Nobber + low ROF gun = ✔️ Nobber + high ROF gun = ❌ They shamble among us. Yesterday was a constant litany of "No full auto into the buildings!", over and over and over. Some people just can't be told, and sites aren't going to kick them out, no matter how often they threaten to do so. I'd rather that temptation was never put in their paws in the first place.

I don't, it's just another grift. Remember the lad on Facebook who begged his way to a bunch of RIFs then started posting some very ill advised pictures and videos. You don't value what you haven't earned.

High ROF is not the issue ( i don't see the point you can still suppress with low ROF and save ammo) but the player them selves as only one person is having fun when some one gets lit up with 60rd and the person having fun is an arsehole. site I play at doesn't have rof restrictions, but if you're spamming people words will be had.

My local site is pretty dense woodland has a 25rps limit. I think it's very fair, and kind of frightening to be on the end of. If you can't hit someone with 25rps, you may need to see a doctor for your Parkinson's

I’m happy running my stock TM Ak recoil (clunky & noisy thing) with 80 rnd mags and my gbbr with 40 rnd mags Neither of which get to the mid teens with their ROF Going to discuss further with Marshall’s & Site Owner in the new year But a quick chat about it in the afternoon there was nodding heads with circa 20 rps being fast enough A site not to far from us is running Semi Auto Sundays, I like the sound of that! But gimme some feedback, what’s a happy limit for safety & encouragement?

Basically all my builds are around the 25 RPS mark. The one gun I have that's around 50rps is a stubby M4 pistol that can't hit the broad side of a barn. It's hilarious fun and inaccurate enough that generally don't get overshot. It'd be a shame if I wasn't able to use it as it's hysterical. That said most guns don't need to be that high and those that do it in regular guns either need to get better or stop being dicks.

Fixed those for ya 😜

As nick said its more about how you approach the game rather than if it will work for you. With loads of different guns to choose from we often get caught up in the which da best gnu topics and chats buts its all down to play-style. Yeah limited ammo, heavy mags etc, but man an MP7 is fun to use. Range is also one of those topics which is divisive, its not a sniper rifle, but if you find yourself out ranged then be more sneaky and get closer. I run a mixture of either MP7 or MP9 with 6 mags, or an aeg with a drum mag generally. Depends on how im feeling, sneaky or speedy really. Some game days I will play the AEG in the morning and the gas gun after lunch if I cant be bothered to leg it around everywhere.

Anything over say 30 rps could be limited to real cap mags only , that would encourage more use of semi and just short bursts of auto. Mag changes would slow things down if anyone wants to go full wanker mode.

That's pretty normal with a gas gun - as the gas expands it cools the gun and magazine rapidly, which has a negative effect on power. You really only want to use the gun on semi, or very short bursts (as you would a real firearm).

So I can confirm that the Emerson holster works a treat, even more so with a one point sling with QD also! This is with a x3 + Sparc + mag! Ordered on eBay came from China in about 10 days surpringly I added a picatinny QD offset mount for the one point sling I added meaning one press of the QD buckle and I’ve instant access to the Galaxy. Now I’m able to throw the rif to the rear with an Emerson 2 point sling and switch to the MP5K in a matter of seconds. There are also two straps with the holster I can thread through the trigger area but you can get away with just the one point sling which is perfect! The other use of the one point is to act as lanyard but also at a push just let the mp5 go and transition to the rif. If I know I’m moving for a while I put one of the straps on for good measure, is also holds a MP5 mag which is very useful, when it’s on I barely feel it. There’s also quick a thick non slip thigh strap too which is solid. It also also strong Velcro straps in the perfect position and fits into a combat belt perfectly. I also had the strike system but taking that back as its cumbersome and it hangs too low down, it’s hard to get it higher and seemed to hit my knees. It might be possible to adjust it more but there are some holding covers that get in the way.

Ooo nah Bally and cable ties. Straight in the back of the van.

Literally 30 seconds ago, I bought an EU17 Gen4 to go partner with the one my son uses, mainly so I can get to use the pair of tracers I just bought. I bought it as my Christmas gift as I know like for the 15th year in a row that I won't get what I asked for yet I get what is asked of me... long story but easier to accept that its the defacto in my life, never getting what I want unless I specifically buy it myself for me... Sad I know but I am pretty sure that there are plenty of guys who would appreciate a RIF or Grenade pack or a new Mollie or similar but no... we get SOCKS AND FRIGGING CHEAP SLIPPERS FROM JOHNATHAN JAMES, cuz thats all we're worth... subliminal messaging on a consumer level platform... new take on hidden feminisim there... So I managed to bag a cheap pistol, EU17 Gen4 just liek the one I got my son as I know that the tracers I bought work with that piece without me having to check if the piece has screw threads of the internal or external variety... The Acetech Brighter C tracers came with the 14 to 11mm so I am able to swap them on the AEG's if these work out better as they appear to pack a bigger punch than the other set I got for the as the BB's come out glowing more brighter. I got the EU17 here https://msrairsoft.com/products/we-eu17 and the Brighter C's here https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08P47TFCC You can guess what I will be doing on Christmas Day...

Sorry for laughing @TheNotoriousLoki , but I seriously do know what you mean mate. I swore really badly in front of a bunch of kids, much to my shame. The marshal laughed off my apology, saying that under the circumstances he quite understood! These all seem to come out of the same factory. I get a pair of the cheapest that E-Bay comes up with every few years, not that the inners have much meat left.

i have in the past dabbled with the brrrt side of things and tbh whilst you can punch through undergrowth that a slower rof couldn't, it's otherwise of limited utility, certainly if it's being acheived at the expense of accuracy. it wasn't long at all before i was voluntarily dialing it back because it was difficult to not send more than the necessary amount of plastic downrange. generally the figure that i've heard most sites implementing is 30rps, which tbh could still be argued to be on the fast side, and as long as it's applied equally (as in any gun is limited not just hpa) then i don't see it as a particularly unfair rule. with that said, folks can still be a dick and overshoot with a lower rate of fire, it just takes longer.

Today was my first ever game of airsoft, it is safe to say I’m hooked. already looking to book again between Christmas and new year at the same site (Bristol Airsoft). It’s a shame the site is closing soon tho but hopefully be able to get my UKARA before it does. Need to make sure I take gloves with me next time as my left hand (my lead hand) got shot so many times. Also eventually I would like a torch for the dark sections and a tracer unit but no rush as want to get used to my gun before buying attachments.

I've just come back from a game where there were a few HPA gunners. I think they were all running mid cap mags so no real problem with the total amount of BB's flying around but it's noticeable there's some (good natured) chuntering in the ranks if/when they all end up on one team because it instantly throws out any balance. And judging by the line of bee stings running up my thigh from a burst I took at 10+ metres, I don't think the regulators are left untouched after the chrono in the morning. That did piss me off

He can stay the fuck away from my house this Christmas 😂

Like all sports it’s evolving to the most exaggerated version. as an ex hpa user there’s no doubt that if you value low gearbox stress high rof, with near silence over 10m semi auto then nothing comes close. if you just value hosing/winning then Hpa is for you. i sold my hpa rig as truth be known it’s more fun using low cap gbb’S and noisy rattle ngrs. when I found myself grabbing my cyma galil over my hpa I knew I was done with it. i’d ban them now as I don’t think they help the sport and tend to bring out the worst in players

Obviously from this sad history you can understand why he wouldn’t want to sell it BUT if he needs the cash then really he’s not doing himself any favours by overpricing it so it won’t sell ?

something like this https://www.skirmshop.nl/en/glock-high-speed-holster.html

@Dratsab a guy in the US sells a basic spring tester that uses a luggage scale, it works but isn't hugely reliable. A real spring tester that will measure the N/mm costs a couple hundred quid. Length, coil number and wire thickness are a good way of estimating, of course different brands are based on different markets where they play with different FPS so there's no standard measuring scale. The closest you can get is having someone measure the Newton force at the stage in which it's released in the gearbox. I've spent a fortune getting a spring factory to working this out, send me samples so I can test etc...Hopefully have some new M100 samples arriving next couple of weeks although with the higher powers.

Well I haven't given much chance for anyone else to chip in, because I realised it's getting late and if I order it now there's a tiny chance it'll arrive tomorrow. So ... sod it. I went with the black. After all, no-one ever got fired for buying a black gun (to borrow heavily from the 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM' saying that got bandied around in IT circles 30+ years ago) And yeah, as you suggested Adolf, it'll be easier to match paint across the whole gun when it all starts off the same colour

Got me one of these from that there AliExpress... a £21 chronograph so I can check whether my 'upgrades' make things better or worse ... my God it's small! (it's about 1" in height) The tube that you shoot down is very narrow, hence those brass tubes which are used to position the chrono on the end of the barrel (here it's set up for my 35mm diameter silencer) It seems to work ok, but the normal-sized ones have the big advantage of not needing to faff around with those mounting tubes (or risking damaging the inside of the chrono if it's wrongly positioned)

The cold does all sorts of things, probably a mixture of the reasons you list above. I know my AEGs drop in performance when it's chilly.

welcome .

This was quality to see. I'm glad cursed grim reaper santa jedi was on my team

Its not a great battery but good enough for at least half a game day (maybe a whole one) with medium amount of shooting (not auto all the time).

That really does suck then ☹️

Still a feckin dreamer lol. C'mon, if your on here, put your hand up & tell us we're wrong 😉

I think he must be on this forum , it’s dropped to 900 now ! 🤣🤣

Yup. Some retailers don't know the difference either.

Another decent session at Hell's last night. My first solo game. Ran the Hi Capa for all but the last game. I think my bucking is about broken in now. I had to apply full hop at Gaol to make 0.28's go anywhere and 0.25's were just starting to over hop at Hell's. So next job is to re-fit the I key!

Christ inflation is bad i bought one years ago for £180 and punted it for £130 as no one wanted it.

I went off space marines for years after reading the Heresy series. Took a while for me to come round to having a a very small marine force. This is the extent of my collection, mostly imperial guard. I have recently got into Flames of War. The Emperor Protects!

I’ve just invented the first thought controlled air freshener. It makes scents when you think about it 🙄 Regards

Now, I'd never make fun of anything that anyone buys, considering my completely pish loadout which consists of a mighty Unreal Tournament 2004 Redeemer-esque slayer of a UAR, an awe-inducing plastic fantastic Lancer Tactical M4 and an utter death machine of a 20 quid Chinesium 1911 springer. Add in some thoroughly geeky and naff fake sci fi foam armour, and I'm less Master Chief, more Disaster Chief. However... before purchasing my awesomely unimpressive gear I did my research thoroughly, so knew what to expect and made my choices deliberately within my budget. And I'm happy with my choices. Quite amazing how many folk jump into things, not just airsoft, blindly spaffing wads of dough like Rishi Sunak on a bender without having the faintest scooby doo about what their riches are going towards. Their choice I suppose. Wow, new or used? Not a hi capa fan but thats mental money. Think Airsofts going to resemble Mad Max soon, folk turning up at skirms bartering over gnus and having duels to decide who gets what 😀

Avid AUG user, and own enough parts to make 3 in various Guizes. One of my favorite AEG's. and gets used more than anything else i own, its a JG base with various bits and bobs.

Reliable spring testing? https://www.ametektest.com/materials/spring-testing-solutions Actual, real world spring testing? Buy a chrono and get used to swapping out springs. Unfortunately, an M140 spring from one manufacturer can have different gauges of wire, different tempering, different materials etc so there really isn't any hard and fast rule that you can apply to all of them to tell you what your spring is. What FPS are you getting with the stock spring? I'm pretty sure these are supposed to do 485-500FPS out of the box so you could just cock it and leave it that way for a week. Depends on how low you want the FPS to be.