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They were only AEGs, Specna don't make a GBB

If you want to do the training because you will enjoy the experience then go ahead but if you expect it to improve your game you will just waste money to be honest. In my experience people who try the real world room clearance stuff are actually at a disadvantage as the steady controlled aspect does not suit airsoft at all. Real world stuff is based on the fact of tension and the fear of death or taking a life so they expect some hesitation. But when facing 16yr olds hopped up on monster it becomes about reactions and you will get rinsed. Airsoft room clearance and cqb is a war of attrition where it is about fast movement and faster reactions. Clearing a room is about going in fast probably dying but hoping to take someone with you and lessening the bodies in the room or even better just chucking grenades in. Without grenades a couple of good players can hold a room against overwhelming numbers for a very lengthy amount of time. I have seen so many players and teams try the whole tactical bit and inevitably they get rinsed and generally get upset and most often are the biggest arses on site.

I imagine they got whatever would fit in a a clapped out Transit van with ROI plates.

Limited edition.

cheap casio. it keeps time and you won't cry when it gets shot and cracks

doesn't say all 2000 were stolen, a pallet is roughly 1 cubic metre? can fit around 40 AEG's so 9 of them would be around 360....

What makes me angry is that as airsofters we generally do our best to keep our rifs safe & away from reach under lock & key, because of the implications of them getting in to the wrong hands, yet these twats took the decision to move them in a soft sided vehicle, probably left parked overnight FFS. Thats seriously irresponsible 👿

Oh so spot on , if your playing a mil-sim or even film-sim game where everyone’s running low/real capacity magazines and actively managing there ammo then yes I could see pretty much any kind of professional training really helping your game , but not on a ‘normal’ walk on gameday . As trigger said when you’ve got adrenaline pumped players running around with a rental AK and a 600rd hi-cap hosing the crap out of anything AND everything they can see then tactics become bit of a moot point ? But yea I’m not saying don’t attended a training day by any stretch , all I’m saying is be prepared to need a very big pinch of salt to go with what your being told , and just enjoy it for what it is .

Just looked on the Specna FB page. Lots of wannabe Colombo's and people acting like it's going to be the end of airsoft. Thank fuck this place is a bit calmer Tbh it was more likely bad luck. Thieving cunts cut the sides of curtain sided trailers to see if there's anything worth knicking

FINALLY took delivery of mine today after over a months wait (original supplier didn't have enough) Airsoft Zone UK where able to supply me with a MP5 and 4 extra mid caps Took it to the range today to test it out and I was very impressed seemed to have similar range as my other NGRS rifles despite the AEP hop up and short inner barrel

ha agreed. when i did send (and if i say so myself, a pretty expensive one with some bespoke machined parts that i wanted fitted) via PF48 i 1) declared it as a "LPAW" 2) didn't bother insuring it 3) nearly shat myself at the thought of something going wrong! I have had a very good experience with camoraids for all sorts of reasons but that they arrange pick up and drop off themselves rather then leaving you to it is a massive bonus for me. thanks again

From ParcelForce website Arms and Ammunition All firearms, other than low-powered air weapons sent within the UK (air rifles, air guns and air pistols), including imitations and antiques; paint-ball or toy guns; taser guns; components of firearms and all other items similar to, or resembling, the foregoing are prohibited. All ammunition other than lead pellets and other air gun and airsoft projectiles is also prohibited. Arms and Ammunition - low powered air weapons Low-powered air weapons (air rifles, air guns and air pistols), together with lead pellets and other airgun and airsoft projectiles, can be sent but are subject to the following conditions: These items must be sent on an express48 service only These items must be sent via the Post Office only, and presented at the counter Enhanced compensation cover is not available Yes No The 'Yes' 'No' on the right is for UK=Yes International=No ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RoyalMail UK - Allowed in the mail, see restrictions and packaging guidelines below: Guns intended for sporting purposes - including Section 1 (e.g. hunting rifles) and Section 2 (e.g. shotguns) firearms, low-powered air weapons and their component parts - may be sent in compliance with UK law and subject to domestic controls on the possession of firearms. Antiques, deactivated and imitation firearms are also permitted. When sending deactivated firearms include proof of deactivation. Items that appear to be prohibited weapons may be subject to additional checks and delays. Use 1st Class as the minimum service.The senders name and address must be clear on the packaging. Low-powered air weapons which exceed the Royal Mail size restrictions are accepted by Parcelforce Worldwide, using express48 via the Post Office. Guns must not be loaded. Air weapons with an integral gas cylinder that are de-pressurised can only be accepted. Air weapons with gas cylinders that are pressurised are prohibited Air weapons with a pressurised removable gas cylinder which is still attached are prohibited Must be packed in rigid outer packaging suitable for the gun size and weight, for example a fibreboard box, with sufficient inner packaging to prevent movement during transport. So you might be OK with RoyalMail but depends on the knowledge of the particular handler. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As an example for other carriers, MyHermes lists this under prohibited items: Weapons and replica weapons – Including decorative, deactivated or air powered weapons

I'd imagine it was a choice between that, or them not moving at all. Failbook suggest that there's a notorious "campsite" nearby. Since it happened a couple of days ago and is only being reported now, I fear that means that Dibble didn't get boots in there quickly enough to recover any. Probably too busy looking for people speculating on what "campsite" really means. Sadly, this might indeed catch the #ScumMedia's attention. However, I would note that it's absolutely trivial to get or create a RIF, so this isn't really going to put more into the hands of wrong 'uns. But my God it's bad news for UK stocks.

Well I didn’t expect the amount of replies that this thread has amassed but I appreciate all of your replies, people have made good points about both sides of the argument of training and not training but for me training is something that would benefit my play style, I’m more of a slow and steady at times and then full force room clearance kinda guy, and as I run a GBBR I don’t want to be running around fast boi style and fire 300 rounds at walls and barrels 😂, I have to make my shots count and I feel the training would really benefit this and give some good insight on playing a better game for myself.

Well, the simplest way to git gud at room clearing is to John Wick in while shouting "You missed, you missed, I didn't feel it, gun hit, didn't feel it, missed." My very mild concern about actually paying for training to play pretend soldiers with toys is that it might - might, not saying that it does - indicate a predilection for winning the game rather than playing the game. I'm thinking of a couple of players I've met who took it all far too seriously, and ended up flouncing or being kicked out of the hobby. All that said, I would be interested in doing such a training day, if only to see how well it really works in airsoft versus fearless rentals and pre-firing speedy bois.

Format shamelessly stolen from @Asomodai. EXTREMELY LENGTHY REVIEW. THIS SITE IS NOW PERMANENTLY CLOSED. Site Name: Echelon Airsoft Contact Details: [email protected] Website Address: https://echelonairsoft.co.uk/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/echelonairsoftuk Site Address: 19-20 Thamesgate Shopping Centre, DA11 0AU Hello all! Having now been to Echelon Airsoft's site twice, I figured it was time for this relatively new site (only open since 05/08/21) to have a review on AFUK. I'd heard mixed to negative things about the site in advance, mostly complaints about a lack of player enthusiasm in pushing up. @blobface and I played the Wednesday evening games on 18/08/21 and 29/09/21. The Site: Echelon is a medium-sized indoor CQB site, based in a defunct Debenhams in the presumably also defunct Thamesgate Shopping Centre, literally 30 feet from Gravesend train station. This is exceptionally convenient for London-based players and likely for others too; the station is 20 minutes from St. Pancras approximately twice an hour with off-peak day returns £19.30. There are a number of car parks (Gravesend station, Thamesgate Multistorey and Parrock Street) available for those travelling by car. Providing a size comparison to other CQB sites isn't that easy, but I roughly estimate it at about a third of the size of The Mall. Echelon currently offer multiple games a week; Wednesday evening games, from 18:55-22:00 (safe zone opens at 18:00). These are lights on, but the lights can be turned off if all the players agree. Thursday evening games, also from 18:55-22:00 (safe zone opens at 18:00). These are night games with the lights turned off - expect to encounter some players (though not the majority) with NV. Saturday day games, from 11:00-17:00 (safe zone opens at 10:00). Sunday day games, from 09:30-15:00 (safe zone opens at 08:30). Private games. You'll have to ask about booking those. Pistol and shotgun games. These run less frequently. The site is semi-auto only, with an energy limit of 350FPS (1.14J). It's not specified if that's actually in Joules if you're not using 0.20g BBs, but you should assume that it is; the maximum BB weight is 0.32g. No sniper rifles, DMRs, or box or drum magazines are permitted, except for drum magazines on pistols. Pyro use is limited to BFGs and Mk. Vs, and banned altogether on the ground floor because it trips the alarms of an adjacent bank. The site's in pretty good condition - clean, no rubbish or trip or hanging hazards - barring a few holes knocked in interior walls to improve gameplay. You'll probably want to bring a torch and maybe a tracer unit - there's no natural light and a few dark spaces even in the day games. Good: Location: You're not going to find a more convenient site for London players, or really anyone that can readily access a train. The site's front door is quite literally 30' from Gravesend station's exit. Game Options: The option to play an evening game after work is a much under-appreciated option for players who don't want to sacrifice half their precious weekend. Bluntly, given how much more strenuous CQB is than woodsball you may well find four hours to be just right - my friends and I were definitely tired out by the end of the evening. Night games are rarer than you'd think; regular night games indoors are almost unheard of - these are an excellent opportunity to flex your £2,000 NV, or ruin NV players' investment with a 500,000lm torch you got off AliExpress for £20. Site Layout: At present three floors of the site are largely open - the ground shop floor and warehouse second floor, which are more open with obstacles and cover breaking up the spaces, and the office third floor, which is a tight maze of small rooms and corridors. The floors were played concurrently the first time I played (half the players downstairs, half upstairs) and consecutively the second time; I imagine this depends on the number of players on the day. I don't know if Echelon plan to utilise the first floor in the future, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do, as in the six weeks between our two games smaller areas of the ground floor had already been opened up. Engagement distances are typical of CQB, ranging from bad-breath range on the third floor to up to 10-15m depending on angles elsewhere. There are obstacles to use as cover, the rooms can be accessed in multiple ways, there are little tunnels for sneaking around and the site has been carefully configured to avoid choke points (or at least I didn't experience any the second day) which means minimal time wasted stacked up on doorways. The respawn points are well placed - you won't spend more than a couple of minutes walking there and back. While the weekend games are apparently rammed the weekday ones are pleasantly lightly attended: I'd estimate maybe 30 players our second day, which was Goldilocks levels of just right. The site could easily accommodate 50-60 players if the two zones are played concurrently. Safe Zone: Hosted in the old café, it's right inside the front door. Clean, well lit and opens straight into the ground floor - no hike to the safe zone like you had in the The Mall. Reasonably large (comfortable capacity about 50 players, I should think) with plug sockets, lots of chairs and plenty of horizontal surfaces. Actual plumbed toilets, clean (and seemingly repeatedly cleaned during the day) with soap and paper towels. Safety: Solid without being over the top; the usual rules apply. The safety brief was brief, concise, covered all the salient points and was given in the safe zone where people can actually hear everything. No "humour" barring an off-colour "Allahu Akhbar" suggestion during a later bomb-objective game. All guns are chronographed at the beginning of the day and no loaded guns or dry-firing are permitted in the safe zone. I didn't see marshals doing random spot checks or checking regulators (there are more than the usual number of HPA guns), but I have no doubt if concerns were raised they'd be willing to do so, because... Marshalling: Impeccable. The marshalls were polite, patrolled the site, and including player marshals were available in abundance. They monitored the team balance and didn't hesitate to rebalance if things were uneven. There is a three-strikes rule but zero tolerance for bullshittery: the marshals told us that by the end of our second day 67 players had been banned over the life of the site, which averages out to about two per game day. I'm sure the bans are weeding out the crap players; I think a considerable number of players were banned on our first day and one on our second. Other players might find this alarming - I find it reassuring. This leads directly to... Playerbase: On our second day the players were uniformly excellent - perhaps the best I've ever played with. Aggressive in pushing up, called their hits, minimal overshooting and very, very little bitching even when players had copped a couple of bleeding welts. I didn't have a single negative interaction in the entire day. This was an improvement over the first day, where the players were generally good but marred by a couple of Teflon terminators. This is not a milsim site and you're not going to encounter much in the way of multiglam geardos (night game possibly excepted), but you will encounter a few speedsofters, although of the nice kind rather than the knee-slide overshooting SpeedQB kind (of which I think at least five got banned during our first day and won't be missed). Turnaround Time: You'll get 5-10 minutes in the safe zone between games to reload, no more, and certainly no finding half your team standing around chatting while the rest of you are getting absolutely mullered in-game. Average: Value: £25.00 for an evening game (£50.00 including rental equipment) and £35.00 for a day game (£60.00 including rental equipment) will seem steep to players used to paying £25.00 for woodsball and a free lunch. However, it would be deeply unfair not to stress the excellent value this represents compared to other urban or CQB sites, especially given that London players won't need to wake up at the crack of dawn or return in the dead of night to attend. The prices are comparable to the other (now-defunct) London sites, which were much smaller and in much worse condition. Site Shop: Limited to what you'll need on the day; BBs, propellant, pyro, cold drinks and snacks, and complimentary battery charging. No hot food, no guns that I could see. Card payments are accepted without issue, even for low-value transactions. While they don't seem to have any guns to sell you... UKARA Membership: Echelon are UKARA-registered and able to provide you with a UKARA-registered defence. Game Modes: These aren't hugely innovative (almost all find object, bring it to place, keep it there) but frankly they work well. There's not really any need to create complex objectives for players to misunderstand, and not really the room for them anyway. What you get is a simple, coherent team objective which leads to you all getting to shoot a lot of people; what more could you ask for? Bad: I really struggled to think of a downside that personally affected me (and was the site's fault, unlike my temperamental AUG) but I am aware of a couple of teething issues that you should probably be aware of. Cancellation Communication: I saw on Facebook that a few weeks ago some players had turned up to find the site not open for business; the game had been cancelled owing to a lack of bookings. You should definitely book if you intend to play to help the site gauge whether it's worth running the game day, and so they can communicate to you if the game day is not going to happen. Shop Issue: I also saw on Facebook that either on the first game day, or within the first couple of game days, there had been a major spat between the third party engaged to run the shop and the site management. That lead to the shop packing up halfway through the day and taking its rental equipment home with them. I expect this won't be repeated but it does speak to a certain lack of organisation. Conclusion: I think the second day might have been one of the best day's (well, evening's) airsoft I've ever played. As more of the site opens up and any remaining bad eggs are weeded out I expect the site and play to improve even further. I'd wholeheartedly recommend Echelon to anyone that wants to play some close-quarters CQB and I'll certainly be back. Bullpup Watch: My AUG, I think that was about it sadly. On the first day there was an AEG AUG too. Other Site Reviews CAMO CQB Skirmish Arena (Essex) Invicta Battlefield Black Site (Kent)

Real operators wear these bad boys. I'm told the guy that slotted OBL rocks one of these.

Pfft, wristwatches. Pocketwatch on a double chain or go home peasants

It looks bad, it seems bad, but this is every day stuff in 2021 UK. Dibble doesn't care about property theft. Nobody got sliced up a treat, and there's no boobs involved in this story, so it's going nowhere. Some pikeys - yes, hello, Thought Police, pikeys - ripped off a lorry, as they do multiple times a night, every night, with no consequences. The RIFs will be pawned off for pennies on the pound, passed on to 13 year old drug couriers, slung under a bed, forgotten about, or just pitched in a ditch. UK stocks will remain as low as they are for a bit longer, but this too shall pass. It's not the end of the world, or even the end of airsoft.

I don't know where you got that information from, but the page below clearly says that replicas/imitations are not allowed. https://www.parcelforce.com/help-and-advice/sending/prohibitions-and-restrictions As has been mentioned, businesses can send them, but not individuals.

These will be in car boot sales by Sunday, sold for £50 a pop. Much rather these than a batch of Glock 19's go missing, which will be much more likely to be used for serious crime rather than flogged to punters.

Yeah, its confusing 🤪 Its probably safer to declare them as 'low-powered air weapons' Still depends a lot on who deals with the particular package and the knowledge of their supervisor...🙄

Reading it again, it does say "took replicas from 9 pallets" For all we know, they could've taken 10-12 RIFs ... Edit: It will be more of a ball ache to retailers/customers as they will have to work out out of the 2000 items (of the SA shipment alone) what's missing before they can release the load.

Future war'ing intensifies

I'd suggest something that can make more than a gnat's fart of air movement. https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/542554597/basic-dual-fans-kit-for-mounting-in-a?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=helmet+fans&ref=sr_gallery-1-2

Couriers and postal services are fickle. I had 2 gas struts for my car delivered by ... ROYAL MAIL. Returning for an RMA, sending via ROYAL MAIL ... REFUSED at the counter. The reason... Car Parts. So its a game... I used to work for TNT and the route I had included 4 RFD's where I would regularly be delivering ammunition, shotguns, Rifles and Pistols... So, couriers, pick one and ask, if the price is right they will ship it.

i'm guessing specna don't serialise their stuff? i know most manufacturers don't bother but this would be a perfect time to be able to do the ol' "if you see someone selling guns with 45xxx on the serial let us know"

Great minds speedbird 😁 I've merged them together.

You need to try it out on a site where you can properly gauge the range. 15m will only really tell you if you're massively under hopping (BB goes about 10 feet then drops to the floor) or hugely over hopping (BB leaves the barrel and travels skywards, never to be seen again). Start with the hop off and gradually increase it until the BB starts to go further. It should gently rise before it drops off when you're at the right sort of setting but that will be WAY beyond 15m even with 0.2g BBs (unless you've picked up a lemon).

The vast majority of research stuff online is sports related. There is some good pointers though if you look at taping vs mechanical supports for prevention of ankle injury as they pretty much all come down on the side of mechanical supports (which is basically what having a high leg boot is seeking to do). As mentioned above, strengthening the ankle through exercise is without a doubt the best place to start but that doesn't mean it should be the only route to take. It's also worth mentioning that one article espousing the value of the ASO Ankle brace (on a walking blog) does make the VERY valid point that no matter how good your boots are, if your gait means you are prone to ankle sprains or if you have a weak ankle from previous injury, NO walking boot is going to completely prevent further injury on its own. From a personal viewpoint I think it's worth remembering that walking boots and tactical boots have very different requirements in the way they will be used and it's entirely possible to go hiking in a good pair of trainers as long as you prepare your feet and joints for it first. There is no one "best boot" for everyone and people need to bear in mind when making recommendations that their feet are not the same as anyone else's and that the BEST boots are ones that fit properly. If you're in any way concerned for the health of your lower extremities, go see a proper podiatrist that can analyse your gait and give good advice. I went through the NHS and ultimately ended up with custom orthotics that have been an absolute god send! (I have very high arches, I supinate and am prone to Plantar Fasciitis)

It doesn’t necessarily show in text but the intent of my posts was meant to be the opposite (valid strawman there of how you read them) on the basis that doing a CQB course could be: 1) Just a days out experience of doing doorkicking Nothing wrong with that in itself but it won’t give number 2 (I’ve watched person number one go left scanning their zone and person number two going right scanning their zone with both of them getting shot by the defender in the middle - just blinkered going through the motions) 2) Learning doorkicking & room clearing in context - why do this and that, and refined into gameplay situations - are you happy to sacrifice yourself for difficult clearance and quickly respawn or medic heal, or is it a major ballache to walk half a mile to the safe zone so you prefer a steady slow clearance My questions were aimed at how to choose training / experiences and what an individual wants out of it The speedsofters have skills to offer too. (Unless they have dressed up and are all the gear no idea running around in circles) then they are applying a tactic In paintball I’ve done some competitive tournaments, fun on those occasions but not my kind of thing to pursue or to put in the commitment to keep it up. However I still took part in training sessions to learn and relearn skills and to iron out bad habits from years in the woods. I’ve done a fair bit of doorkicking & CQB myself - run by training companies of ex soldiers, and also run some CQB sessions ourselves - close up, indoor & outdoor and in context of gameplay

Sure, I've bought from them as well. If you know exactly what you want, and why, they're no worse than any other online retailer. Plus, Sweaty Dom's product videos are legendary.

I may be old fashioned but I always applied a good treatment of heated Dubbin in the past. now I use G-Wax. I find the sweat from waterproof socks leaves my pinkies all wrinkly, and Gortex lined boots OK only for sedate walks, although the Lowas that I picked up this year are not so bad.

You'd think, but it's super hard to find. I mean, in the sense that I didn't turn anything up in 30 seconds and got distracted by something shiny, but I'd love to read something convincing.

But did you wash your balls? Nobrich says that it's very important to wash your balls before smacking them into someone else's face.

Oops. Just noticed that... maybe it was a gift from ma n' pa. In fairness I actually got my springer from BBG4L as it was a) cheap (was looking for an inexpensive, basic backup pistol in case the rifle packed in mid-skirm), b) the usually extortionate delivery to the Highlands & Islands (yes, looking right at you, Patrol Base and others) was very reasonably priced for a change and c) the product was delivered correctly, on-time and with no fuss. Most of their stock is Chinesium bargain-basement keech that I wouldn't touch with a bayonetted Moisin-Nagant, however the wee Galaxy springers I happen to enjoy.

For anyone still looking for short Nam style M4/M16 mags, FireSupport has 2 boxes of 5x85 plastics in stock. https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/king-arms-m16vn-short-plastic-magazines-box-set-of-585-rnd

Haha, I didn’t even go this weekend. Just posted that for my own entertainment to see who got it

I'd respectfully disagree with the flasher pervert above and say that I think my ankles have been saved a couple of times by being well supported, although I've been getting a bit (literally) slack with my lacing recently. Must bondage better. Also, I wear army surplus GoreTex lined boots not just for airsoft, but for biking, office wear, evening wear, swimsuit competitions...

Stock hop up unit, Maple Leaf Barrel and Maple Leaf Super Macaron 60 degree bucking. No modification needed, stock internals (360fps even after tens of thousands of bbs). It's more than accurate for CQB but I still believe it could do better for outdoors (maybe Maple Leaf Mr. Hop bucking and/or ZCI barrel, idk).

Don't forget the tache.

Yeah, I was thinking of that. 🥵 Only for Winter then 😉

how embarrassing !!haha

Not a surefire either!!!! It's a streamlight SL20 used in embassy siege. Here's mine.....

DE also manufacture under the "QAP" brand (which appears to me more prevalent in Japan?), Cactus Jack is a new one on me, thanks for the heads up. The Guarder SP100 has sorted things nicely, and AK2M4 has said that he's noticed hardly any compression of the spring in his own testing (which I think has gone into the tens of thousands of shots). I'm still running the OEM inner barrel, however an ML bucking and nub, and I doubt I'll change it as I'm right at the UK AEG limit FPS wise and with the ML bits my grouping is more than good enough. (I'm hoping to spend my Xmas bonus on an M904F though, build a DMR with it, and that will more than likely get a different inner barrel).

Some of these SAS urban reference photos will be less useful than others:

@Fatboy40it's also a cactus jack version of the m904. I believe there are 3 companies currently "making" the same gun. I've noticed a bit of a drop in my fps lately too. Especially with the heavier ammo. Shooting about 0.88j on 28s but 1j on 20s. Let me know how you get on with the spring. Are you still running your oem inner barrel?

Just don't go out in your full Nazi officer kit. Raises the odd eyebrows. Save that for home ☺️