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Rules of Airsoft patches?
Tactical Pith Helmet and 4 others reacted to Voodoo. for a topic
As an ex-serviceman, stolen valour genuinely doesn't bother me, nor the people I know, unless they're trying to get something out of it/expect something. The amount of times I've seen a walt in pubs chatting up women is uncountable, and every time me and my friends just laugh at him at our table because at the end of the day, it's not really harming anyone, and they're not disrespecting those who do/did serve. The only time I can understand a serviceman going off on a stolen valour is if one of their friends was KIA, in which case ol' walty's gonna be in for a rude awakening. But rocking a patch in airsoft? I couldn't see that as being disrespectful. If anything they're only showing their support by rocking a unit patch, or they're making a tit of themself, depending on the player.5 points -
Rules of Airsoft patches?
Rogerborg and 3 others reacted to Stratton Oakmont for a topic
I thoroughly enjoy watching people with no military experience telling others to not wear patches they haven’t earned. you get the same tools in road cycling over the last 15 years since British cycling decided to throw a lot of cash at a sport that used to be the preserve of hobbyists. now Everyman and his dog owns a 10k bike for the Sunday club run they all say you can’t/shouldn’t wear team jerseys/world rainbow bands/tour jerseys etc. this picture made them all apoplectic4 points -
I don't have a problem with patches in airsoft. As others have said, we're all playing dress up at the end of the day. Airsofters wearing impression kit are not the same as the wankers that buy berets and medals off eBay and pass themselves off as veterans at November ceremonies. Me and my mates all wore our issued MTP when we first started a couple of years ago because why pay for extra kit when we had free stuff? No rank slides though!3 points
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Rules of Airsoft patches?
Tactical Pith Helmet and 2 others reacted to Ebeneezer Goode for a topic
Well said, and a good summary! Sometimes wonder if half the "Walt Hunters" are actually Walts themselves. There's reference to us "Airsoft Mongs" however I've bumped into quite a few current and Ex-mil in the sport, all of whom enjoy it and have no issue with anyones setups. Personally, I have no desire to dress up in MTP or MARPAT however if someone wants to then fair play to them. Some of the recreations of real-life loadouts I've seen at my local site are impressive and we have to acknowledge that a substantial part of Airsoft consists of cosplay, whether that be lasgun-wielding superhuman hulks from thousands of years into the future, Xenomorph-slaying Colonial Marines, Master Chief/Doomguy impersonators or WW2 reenactors- all of which are good fun and show off ones individuality.3 points -
The way I see it is that if wearing a unit patch or one relating to some special forces team allows you to gain more enjoyment out of the hobby then fire ahead, we're all LARPers at the end of the day. It's just a bit awkward for everyone when you've got people showing up and taking the LARPing to the extreme by claiming to be something that they're not and expecting people to "follow orders" while getting shouted abuse. I've seen more non-serving members of this community (airsoft as a whole I should say not the AFUK in particular) get absolutely raging over stolen valour than I have seen actual serving or previously served members of the forces getting annoyed over it. Either way LARP on3 points
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This is the thing for me. There's a huge difference between trying to complete a loadout and walting and it seems that most of the people getting all hot and bothered about "stolen valour" aren't actually servicemen at all but wannabe try hards. I mean yes, there's the whole "don't wear something if it has to be earned" like a commando insignia or whatever but if ANYONE tells me that they think a 14 year old kid or some overweight, middle aged weekend warrior is honestly trying to make out that they served by wearing an SAS badge to a Sunday skirmish then they're being bell ends. The old boys covered in gongs at remembrance services or people trying to pass themselves off for a discount or special treatment are the problem, not a few airsofters looking to replicate a 90's Delta operator!3 points
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Shortly after the first reported burning of a Kicking Mustang patch.3 points
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Just don't go out in your full Nazi officer kit. Raises the odd eyebrows. Save that for home ☺️3 points
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Rules of Airsoft patches?
Ebeneezer Goode and one other reacted to Rogerborg for a topic
Just between us lot, I'm not really from the 40th century or using a laser gun. Anyone who's at a site to play with toy guns should have their expectations set firmly to silly and frivolous. If you're offended by what you see, you can have a quiet, friendly word about it, and explain your fee-fees. If the response is a shrug or hostility, then either suck it up, leave, or take it to the site if you think it crosses a line. First person to rage loses, and should find a different hobby.2 points -
I've been unable to find anything on http://www.bailii.org/ The closest case law that seems relevant (that I can find) is Cooke vs CPP, about the Police Act, impersonation, and the sale of police equipment. The justices took a very broad interpretation of lawful purpose, up to and including a "fancy dress party", and held that mens rea (guilty mind) must be present in a criminal case. https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2015/3312.html&query="fancy-dress+party" However, they also criticised the law for being vague as to the burden of proof, and the VCRA, the subsequent 2007 amendment, and the anonymous Home Office explanatory note cover in some detail a defence scheme that is essentially the UKARA process. tl;dr version - dunno, it could go either way. I'd be happy for either Fat Bobs or AirsoftWorld to be test cases, given that they both openly sell without a real defence.2 points
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There is no such thing as ‘stolen valor/valour’ in the UK There is ‘walting’ ((There are parts of the Armed Forces Act that cover using uniforms to impersonate the services, and fraud legislation for the undercurrent of what someone is up to - eg conning people)) You get the ‘out rage’ clubs and walt hunting hobbiests, but they may be looked on as more sad than some of the ‘walts’ they hunt down. (Eg local care in the community individual that likes to wear a beret being hunted down and ‘exposed’ by keyboard warriors Any ‘normal’ service person or ex service person doesn’t care about people who dress up to play games (actually they care about the ones who pay extra on eBay for their kit) They do care about people who are bigging themselves up as someone they aren’t, or are conning with fake ‘hero’ charities (or ‘real’ hero charities with excessive ‘admin expenses’) As far as airsoft is concerned if you aren’t allowed to wear patches then why to you need RIFs? The entire justification to add an extra skirmisher defence by statutory instrument above the explicit defences in the core VCRA legislation is for the realistic immersion. Dressing up has been recognised as a core element to airsoft. Take that away to a bare uniform without patch’s and you can just use a coloured IF Don’t be a dickhead and pretend that you are something that you aren’t Do dress up with good ‘fancy dress’ if that’s what you like to do Don’t make yourself a personal security risk * * our paintball team logo is based on a genuine US unit. One of our founder members is a former Royal Marine and our original clothing came from a company who does unit clothing. If you don’t look at the detail it looked like a unit t shirt etc. I warned off a team mate on the way to a game. We stopped off at a garage, and he walked back out in ‘unit style’ t shirt, DPM trousers, boots, with short haircut, newspaper tucked under his arm, coffee in hand …… coming out of a garage at a garrison town. Perfect fodder for an opportunist. Even for someone who is going to pick someone to monitor and watch the individual and their car, follow them the next morning driving onto a military base - a ‘confirmed’ valid target with little awareness A soldier ought to be briefed on current alert states, any local risks and being aware of their surroundings. A bloke out for a sunday game has no idea what current risks are to service personnel and has little awareness Only if you’re prepared to buy my lunch when I trump your cadet corporal rank slide with my DCGS challenge coin On a sensible note - I’d recommend that anyone who wears uniform for a real purpose doesn’t go out playing in their work uniform, unless you have plenty of sets. Just more washing to get yourself back to standard after playing in the woods (Of course combat uniform is meant to get battered and dirty - but you try saying that when you walk into barracks or the cadet hut in a dirty crumpled uniform)2 points
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Rules of Airsoft patches?
Tactical Pith Helmet and one other reacted to SgtTalbert for a topic
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you mean valid defense...2 points
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You sound like the sort of person that most sites are calling out for and need........................................... You wont get a fast ROF Electric pistol, they just don't work that way. You will get a fast ROF with a Glock 18C Gas blockback. Until it explodes. Its fun on the way there though. Have you considered aiming?2 points
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The 'How Did Your Airsoft Day Go? Thread
PopRocket123 and one other reacted to Tactical Pith Helmet for a topic
Great day at Tuddenham with the lowly G&G M4. It's Skirmish at the end of the month so the usual simple games with nothing too complicated. Marshalling was to the usual high standard, weather was bloody muggy, and due to a series of things going wrong, I ended up going on my own. I was surprised at how much enjoyable not parenting and playing was, since I originally got into airsoft to spend time with the lad. Some well spirited gameplay, especially in the afternoon, and a great load of fun around the village area with the buildings. Had some decent scraps around the containers and managed to keep a group hunting for me by the simple expedient of lying down where they expected me to be ducking around the tyres etc. Stalked a player in the shower block area as he did the same to me and we both hit each other simultaneously, which gave us a good laugh. Got hit in the back a fair few times as the opposing team could actually flank properly. Nice to see a girl leading the team as player marshal, btter still to see her getting players to push up and exploit the ground well. More power to her I say. A few moans from some re: hit taking but I saw nothing but good sportsmanship all day. Overall I thoroughly enjoyed myself despite the huge disappointment of missing out on the Namsoft weekend.2 points -
Looking for a good pistol electric or had any suggestions?
EDcase and one other reacted to Adolf Hamster for a topic
why a fast rps? if it takes more than 1 hit at practical pistol engagement ranges then it's a failure of the target not the equipment.....2 points -
Hi guys just thought I'd say hi,, new to the sport am currently trying to gear up my son and myself, Hopefully look forward to meeting some of you. Also, do you have to be of a certain level to message sellers please?1 point
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The most recent incident that springs to mind was that incel mong going postal with a shotgun, I infer a 3-shot pump or semi-auto on a shotgun cert. It's surprising that shotgun certificates are still "shall issue", and not much harder to get than a RIF, er, "licence". Application, monies, secure storage, "not a mong" declaration (even if you are a mong), and you can collect as many as you like.1 point
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You could at least have blurred my face.1 point
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G&G CM16 Raider Worthwhile Upgrades?
Rogerborg reacted to emilianoksa for a topic
I would just use it as it is, and on a 9.6 nimh. The G&G Raider has been around for yonks and is still perfectly playable. They are good guns, but not really worth the cost of much upgrading. Late you may get something a bit better, but the CM16 will always be worth keeping as a back up gun or something to lend to a friend. And the "better" gun will not necessarily perform any better. But it will be nicer to look at and a lot more expensive. It's airsoft after all. There is no equivalent of a BMW in this sport. All the brands have their weaknesses. None are 100% reliable. They are made of cheap components.1 point -
Run Your Sling Through A Plate Carriers Shoulders?
Rogerborg reacted to Ebeneezer Goode for a topic
I'm trying this at my next skirm. Don't usually run with a sling however last time round with the bullpup I started to wish I had one. Picked up a convertible 1/2 point sling on Amazon afterwards and trying it whilst tarting about the house dressed up... errr sorry I mean trying out my updated loadout it felt good. if it doesn't work I'll wear it conventionally or just ditch it. No hassles.1 point -
This has been coming up since I started; there is no consensus and there never will be. All I'd say is, if you wear actual SF patches and real ranks etc in bb wars you will almost certainly look back at pictures from those games in years time and go 'oooh... cringe'. This game has enough of that as it is, less is more with patches.1 point
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Hi @Hellequin 🖐 Welcome to the airsoft asylum(let's face it we have to be crazy 🤪 to-do this lol) I'm sure you and your son will have a great time amassing your kit. Can get expensive though 😫 Have a look at @GAMBLE.a forum member with a tube channel full of fun and facts. Some great tips for free! 👍 Enjoy Regards1 point
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TM MP5 NGRS Owners
JamesWills reacted to Hatchet for a topic
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Gun picture thread
PopRocket123 reacted to Impulse for a topic
Ready for ai500. Taskforce beware the mercenary sniper working for the cartel 😈1 point -
I dithered over whether to buy another one before mentioning they were available again. Looks to be out of stock though. It's quite a lot of magazines more, and I believe it's fair bit heavier. Claimed weights are all over the place, but worst case is 3kg loaded. The joy of a plastic fantastic is that you can just strap it on (fnar fnar) and forget about it. Still, any MP5K is a good MP5K, and at the moment we have to take whatever we can get.1 point
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I have. Put in a mosfet, lipo 7.4 and Mapleleaf goodness and its incredible. That said, the Cyma is on there at only a little more, in its all metal goodness.1 point
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Yes, I was going by the most popular method, being UKARA. True, however this law doesn't apply to "gifts". To have a UKARA membership is to have a valid defence, ie proof you're planning on using it for airsoft and nothing else. However, for private owners, so long as you're gifting the firearm, it is not against the law, which is what I was referring to in relation to OP's original post. OP should be fine to send the RIF to his friend legally, so long as nothing was exchanged in return for said gift.1 point
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Agreed with the above, although the AAP-01 is the new full auto GBB darling. Forget electric pistols, they're big, bulky, heavy things with a tiny cylinder volume that need considerable work just to get them up to "barely adequate". The only advantage is that they work just as well (i.e. poorly) all year round. If you tell us what you're trying to achieve, we might be able to make some suggestions. If it's a sniper secondary for woodland, and you really want full auto, I'd note that the Galaxy G5K MP5K is back in stock at... urgh... BBguns4less, and can be strapped onto a leg panel and forgotten about.1 point
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Inconsistent hop
Lozart reacted to Pewpewpetie for a topic
Had to use the ptfe tape for now as don't have any other o rings. Gona have to set it aside for a Few days then try again. Stressful is an understatement1 point -
Taiwangun Shipping Disruption (Brexit Related Content)
Ebeneezer Goode reacted to Rogerborg for a topic
Because the DVLA stopped doing all commercial tests for 3 weeks to help flatten the curve, 79 weeks ago. People have paid for training and are gagging to get started, but can't get their piece of paper. Oh, and now the examiners are going on strike after being asked to do more tests per day to deal with the backlog. Despite, not because of.1 point -
This is something that actually confused me when I got back into the hobby. I started 16 years ago and back then people would wear patches to complete their loadouts. People would do accurate impression kits for the SAS, Navy Seals etc, patches and all, but never claimed to be part of the units. It was all about authenticity and creating the perfect look, as we can all agree that dress-up is a large part of the hobby for a lot of people. When I got back into the hobby 2 years ago, the feeling I got from a lot of people was "oh, you can't wear those patches because you haven't earned them." Now, it didn't really affect me since I prefered doing contractor and mercenary loadouts, or intelligence agency stuff which was all designed to be anonymous anyway (CIA agents don't exactly wear patches saying "hey, I'm your local CIA agent"), but I still found it strange. I get the stolen valour argument. Stolen valour sucks, and people who engage in it are disrespectful idiots. However, people who just wear patches for dress-up, I just don't see the issue. If someone wants to dress up like a certain unit because they like that unit, I say go for it.1 point
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Inconsistent hop
Rogerborg reacted to Pewpewpetie for a topic
No, basic mechanical trigger, 7.4v 25c lipo,22tpa high torque motor with 13:1 gears, AOE corrected and sector delay switch1 point -
Run Your Sling Through A Plate Carriers Shoulders?
Rogerborg reacted to PopRocket123 for a topic
I've tried it. Didn't get on with it. What I got on a bit better with was running a 2 point through a single shoulder strap. It was more comfortable but limited my ability to hot switch shoulders.1 point -
Hi, ALL! 👋 Trying my new camera out, hope to get better with it, again! 🤞👍 Decided to setup a challenge to make it different? 🤔 Doing the best with what I have, enjoy it for what it is! 🔫😎👍 💷GAMBLE💷1 point
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Where to buy from as a newbie?
EDcase reacted to strykerles for a topic
Hello and welcome This has been asked many times and ther are numerous threads about vendors in the forums https://airsoft-forums.uk/forum/10-places-to-buy/ Personally I use patrolbase, fire support and a few others as between them they generally will have everything you need but be wary as it can get expensive reaally quickly also shop around as prices can vary wildly between vendors1 point -
Who went to NAF21
shadowfacex reacted to AirSniper for a topic
I really enjoyed the game play that I took part in, even it it was limited. It was more for my son to experience and he enjoyed it that much he wants to go again. We were on the "Others" team, thought after the first day, the game was lost ... in terms of the bounty collected, the camp got attacked not long after I left to go back to camp. I knew I heard someone in the bushes, likely a recon, went and had a look but couldn't see owt because I had no glasses, need the prescription eypros to see anything. The other guys were not convinced, guess I was right. All good fun.1 point -
My SCAR-H I'm calling the 'Broadsword'. I just need a new torch, and a couple of unity mod buttons for the dbal/torch and it's finally finished.1 point
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Tokyo Marui M4 and Pistol mag style ones. Still on my first one after 2+ years.1 point
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Since 'Replica Weapons' is explicitly stated in their list of prohibited items if they find out about it in whatever way, you can say goodbye to it without any compensation.1 point
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airsoft things you don't understand
Pappa Large reacted to Albiscuit for a topic
I mean, people could have ran late, stuck in traffic etc but I get where your coming from. One of my major annoyances is people arriving late to the cinema. Why would you pay for a movie to arrive late missing some of it. anyway back to Airsoft. My main thing is the amount of sitting time you get at a lot of sites, lunch included. The mall gave you 45 mins and was clear, you miss the game brief your not playing. And had a short turnaround in between games. some sites seem to run 60% safe zone to 40% game zone action some days it seems which is really annoying. late starts piss me off too. I get up early on a Sunday to travel into the countryside to then have to sit around for over an hour as the safety brief isn’t until 10am even through the website said arrive by 8.30. What’s that all about!!1 point -
Taiwangun Shipping Disruption (Brexit Related Content)
Pappa Large reacted to GoopGoop for a topic
This looks compelling at first glance, however, Patrol Base are slapping their classic extortionate mark up on the products. For example, on their new TG x PB featured product page: Double Eagle M904R via Taiwan Gun = £98 Double Eagle M904R via Patrol Base = £170 PB is x1.75 more expensive in this example, a bunch of other products i cross referenced where the same if not worse. Most of us order from TG over PB for 3 main reasons: TG is drastically cheaper PB never has items in stock TG has far greater selection Of the 12 TG x PB featured products on their site (maybe even the only 12 items in this new offering, i dont see more?), only 1 is in stock. So in all, this looked great at first glance, but sadly it means pretty much nothing for us.1 point -
Double Eagle M904g – Aka the Original Q Honey Badger
ak2m4 reacted to mightyjebus for a topic
well that turned up quicker than I was expecting. Ordered the 9th and arrived 5 days later from Hong Kong. DE ACP556 pictured below the Arrow Airsoft ACP9. I can do a seperate review if people would think it would be useful.1 point -
Taiwangun Shipping Disruption (Brexit Related Content)
Pappa Large reacted to EvilMonkee for a topic
UPS can rot in hell along with Maggie Thatcher....1 point -
Taiwangun Shipping Disruption (Brexit Related Content)
Pappa Large reacted to Rogerborg for a topic
Oh, right, sod them then. The sooner they go out of business, the better.1 point -
The 'What have you just bought' Thread
Pappa Large reacted to Adolf Hamster for a topic
the warhead motors are defo a step up, especially for semiauto. bit delicate with the contacts but the pickup speed is defo noticable.1 point -
Was the battery also lying around for years unused? If so then sight unseen I'd guess it wasn't capable of pulling the spring past compression, the motor stalled and the fuse threw itself on its sword. Unless there's a particular reason you want to stick with nimh then I'd agree with going 7.4V lipo, and I'd also lube the gearbox. At a minimum, get some silicone oil in there via the nozzle and the cut out slot, then blow it out the nozzle before putting the hop/barrel back.1 point
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RIF Incident in News
Pappa Large reacted to Rogerborg for a topic
Police need to be equipped with fully automatic woodchippers. We need a Woodchipper Pride Month, I already have a flag in mind. I hope, I really hope, that they look into whoever sold the nonce that RIF and do them for it if they don't have a rock solid defence. And when I rant about AirsoftWorld and Fat Bobs selling to anyone who asks without a real defence, this is why.1 point