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For the new normal post Covid should we be considering Lance kills as an alternative to knife kills?

I don't die quietly for anyone! I scream,shout,hurl excrement and curse the whole darn world. I take the hit though lol. 🤭👍 Regards

Its the circle of life.....

This has just gone full circle back to shameful again 😂

I don't think there's any arguments about knife kills (other than current social distancing rules) there is literally no downside to it and ive never witnessed a kickoff about it. Bang rules are difficult, you shoot a first timer from 6 inches away in the ribs then they aren't coming back. Putting a round in a more experienced player webbing at point blank is fine. Basically it comes down to be don't be a dick, bang rules are good in circumstances where its going to hurt like f#$k (almost any shot at under 1 foot to the back with no form of padding) but i would rather a rule allowing the back if a gun to function identically to a knife to remove debate from that. If it's a small group then take a couple of steps back and then hose them down.

I don't offer surrender. If I have the drop on someone, it's one to the back with the mk23 or a tap with a rubber training knife and a whisper to let them know, regardless of whether they're a teenager or an adult; a single shot from a 1J gun isn't exactly life threatening, and I'm a sneaky sniper who doesn't want to risk them opening up with an AEG and alerting everyone to my presence. I've only had someone try to surrender kill me once, but they didn't notice I had the mk23 in hand and I just shot at them; they almost seemed surprised that I didn't take it, but they also didn't moan about it as it's within the rules to not accept surrender. They should've just shot me. I think it's a good rule to have, as long as people realise that not everyone will offer it and not everyone will accept it. If I was in that kid's position and surrendered someone (assuming I for some reason just grunted instead of saying it loudly and clearly), I'd just shoot if they didn't accept it. At the end of the day, surrender is a courtesy, not a requirement. Knife kills are just like getting hit by a BB, though. If someone manages to sneak up behind you and give you the tap of death, you should quietly take it and head back to respawn. I also don't think there should be MEDs for 1J guns, whether that's your rifle or pistol. I think bang rules shouldn't exist and if you have an MED you should transition to a gun without an MED if you're caught in that kind of situation; it's why I tend to move around with the mk23 out and the VSR slung on my back if I'm moving about the site, as if I do get into a scrap I'd rather be able to just raise the gun and shoot than take the time to transition and then start shooting. If you're in America running a 1.5J AEG with an MED, keep a 1J gun handy for close engagements. Sidearms are fantastic as they rarely go over 1J unless you actively try and push them to, and everyone can carry a pistol in a holster. The issue with the bang rule is you can say bang, they say bang, then people get into an argument over who said it first. Also, people try to bang kill from really far away sometimes, which is dumb. When I first started airsoft back in the mid 2000s, there were a lot less rules about bang kills (they existed, but weren't universally used) and there was no such thing as a surrender. When I first started, I was about 14 years old too, so I don't really see it as a safety hazard to have close engagements for teenagers either; I was much more likely to injure myself on the rugby team than I was playing BB wars. At the risk of sounding like a terrible, old-fashioned, empathetically-challenged human being, I think the current generation needs to harden up a bit if they're getting into a hissy fit over getting shot by a 1J BB gun too close. Fortunately, a lot of the younger players at my local site aren't like that; they play harder than most of the older regulars and are a lot less scared of getting shot at than the 40 year old tacticool milsim dudes xD

havent watched the vid but afaik the americans tend to be bigger on their bang/surrender/mercy rules purely because they run higher fps where a lot of folks have some form of med. personally i fall into the camp of bang rules being courtesy only- you get the drop on someone then you can choose to do the bang rule, if they accept then happy days, if they try some john wick shenanigans then light them up. if you pull a bang rule and the other guy can pull some john wick shenanigans and shoot you first then you weren't in a position to be giving out a bang kill in the first place. i dislike both having them enforced or banned, as it's highly situational, for example if memory serves the last time i gave a bang kill i had the barrel of my makarov basically pressed against the guys shoulder, it would have been a dick move to just shoot him like that hence proferring the bang kill which he accepted. likewise i've had folk get the drop on me just pop a single round somewhere that doesn't hurt and i can get why they'd choose to do that and prevent arguments (even if i would have accepted the kill in that situation). now granted i'm coming from an environment where med's aren't a thing, but my view on that is it's precisely why pistols exist and frankly if you want to play the marksmans role you really should be trying to avoid up close action to begin with. knife kills are a different story- should absolutely be mandatory to take them (well, if we aren't bringing covid and social distancing into this) and if someone's had the skills to sneak up on you for a knife kill the least you can do is give them the courtesy of dying quietly, plus it'll make for some good theatre as you walk to respawn watching them take out your team.

Just want to share a positive experience. I just received an ASG (KJW) DP18 and 3 X ASG co2 magazines from airsoftworld.net When it all arrived, there were already CO2 bulbs in the mags, already pierced and still pressurized. The mags didn't look used at all. Looks like Airsoft world check their mags for leaks before sending! Thank you and well done! Prior to that, I've just had a faff with a different retailer, sending back 4 out of 4 WE co2 magazines because they all leaked and being told "all magazines leak". So, again, thanks Airsoft world. Good to see someone in Airsoft cares about quality control!

Yo @Jaylordofwaargh. Points taken👍 You are right I do try to inject some humour into my posts and there are a couple of reasons for that. Firstly I have no real technical knowledge about airsoft guns,I just like to use them, and because of my inability to contribute anything of a technical nature and because I still want to bring something to the table,I use humour. Second reason is because I try not to take things too seriously. I love playing airsoft and I play it because I have fun and for me that is the point.You say about the "spirit of the game" does that mean that it has to be as close to real life as possible? Like they say,alls fair in love and war. My idea of spirit is what I personally bring to the game and that's the operative word 'game' During a normal days play there is much shouting. Banter,blaspheming and yes,screaming(in a manly way)but I have never been admonished for becoming vocal if I've been knife killed its how you do it.I would never scream out " Look out guys he's coming up behind you with a knife!" I may cough loudly though. 😉 Regards

I have still only been to a couple of different sites, however my views on this are very much influenced by one in particular, i am very aware of this bias and speaks volumes to the way that site was run. Gun hits: They should count or not having a half way house is pay to win ( yes i know this is airsoft). As to the realism of gun hits disabling or what not i didn't learn these rules on a milsim. the next few in my mind are three very different rules; Knife/gun barrel/melee/dildo kills: should be taken quietly, respect the sneaky bastard that got you and die quietly. @Shamal not calling you out ( and i appreciate your posts are normally laced with humor), but making noise on a knife kill is, in my view not true to the spirit of the game. if someone has done the kindness of not popping you from less than a half a meter then i also think this should be respected. The rule always was mentioned as a knife in one hand gun in the other. surrender: this is an odd one for a couple of reasons, first it is very situational and could take an age to explain when and where it should be used in the brief, second, i have surrendered before, doing the sneaky thing and i was out sneaked, wasn't expecting contact so soon, i didn't have rifle anywhere near 'ready' and bumped into a sneak team coming the other way - when i stepped into a small clearing they all look at me and to save getting hosed (i would not have been the fastest draw) i just said 'fuck' and raised my hand taking the death instead of the bb storm that would have come my way. Third if you (@Mad-Al) less than a meter away then surely a surrender should be offered if you have the drop? Newer players (not counting those in /god mode) i feel would accept that. I have also found that it is not the younger ones that moan about close contact shots, they tend to be older/oPeRaToR types, the younger ones wear them with pride. bang: just no. if you are that close just one shot to the center mass will do. This one is back to the paintball days, too many times have i seen (paintball) marshals ask for a marker that has been used for a 'bang' kill an it has come out empty - their response was you cant bang if you cant back it up. @Adolf Hamsterfuck me don't even start on the plates are armor and negate hits, or 'i'm wearing x weight plate it can take y no. hits from z projectile'. this is only something i have heard happening but i if i did hear it or specifically directed towards me (on a skirmish game where no such rule has even been thought of by marshals) i'd mag dump to drown out the whining...

Then: 'So, how come you only use a pistol in CQB?' 'Means I can be nimble navigating through, often means I can nail folks before they even have their RIF ready to fire back.' Now: 'So, how come you only use a pistol in CQB?' '... 🤷‍♂️' Caveat, I have zero issues with anything going on here. Though it does baffle me slightly that the general concensus seems to be drum mags are 'less of a sin' than AR mags in pistols 😂. I hope you enjoy it, but I certainly don't envy lugging a tank, line and drum mag around. I'm sure it'll be great fun, and a conversation starter at the least. But I dare say the conventional reasoning behind running a pistol only in CQB might be a tad removed at this point 😅. Edit: Forgot the wrap the post up, that reasoning is why I think running a HPA adapter (be it MP5, which is probably my preference, or AR mag) is the way I tend to lean. You retain a bit more of the reason running pistol only can be such a boon. Also, please get 'Novritsch Fun Cannon Fuel' engraved on that drum mag to truly complete the cycle.

I can assure you that if I’m screaming like a madman, waving my gun around and demanding surrender ...... that it’s highly likely to be empty Its worked a couple of times though (((Unless I come in making some speech about a lucky punk - in which case it might be empty or I’m tripping on adrenaline and the prospects of a customised revolver kill))

As I say, can't be trusted. Should only be for one on one situations when you've absolutely got the drop on someone.

You know what they say; "One step forward, two steps back"

If only... Maybe they will, but it's a very neich market.

Best way of filling any gas mag is in 1s bursts. Fill for 1sec, stop, wait a couple of seconds then give it another 1sec burst of gas. Keep doing this until full. Should be able to top off the mag that way! Give that a go and see how many shots you get from 12x 1sec fills

speak for yourself, imma just mount the bayonet on the dragonuv. social distancing thine filthy casuals

At this stage all you can do is laugh. Nearly wish G&G or LCT would release one just to teach them a lesson in over promising and underdelivering. Similar happened with E&L and their proposed SVD. Now LCT have hinted at a SVD released, wouldn't be surprised if it comes to market ahead of it. For what it's worth Classic Army are releasing some of their DSA 58s this year. The only problem is that they are gel blasters rather than airsoft ones. Well perhaps the VFC GBBR will stir things up a bit.

That sounds like you're not putting enough gas in. With the silent fill mod I'd ignore the 12 second thing as that will be gas dependent and also depend on how much gas was in there to start with. Instead listen to the gas going into mag. Literally ear next to the can as you're filling listen to the quiet hiss. That will give you an actual idea of how long it's going to take... The other thing is how full your can of green gas is. It's worth remembering that these mags can hold A LOT of gas compared to the volume of the gas can...

Hey guys, So i finally got my MWS mags from firesupport.co.uk and I cant fill them completely with WE 2x green gas... I have read various opinions, watched BadaBing, heard about green gas mods and I was wordering what you would suggest for me to do. So according to BadaBing there is 2 batches of MWS mags, BATCH 1 has no markings on gas routers, while BATCH 2 has. Batch 1 needed the green gas modification in order to fill the magazine full of green gas, BUT BATCH 2 doesnt need it, and for him his BATCH 2 magazines fill completely after 12sec. fill Video link: I have checked that my magazines are from BATCH 2, but as soon as i try to fill them up they are starting to spit green gas all around everywhere, now, I have read in the internet that TM inlet fill valves are finnicky on certain green gas balloon filling adapters and such it is recommended to use O-rings on the fill valves so it fills completely... ( I know that TM made the inlet valves to spit any unnecessary gas from the magazine insides) I put o-ring in #1 of my MWS BATCH 2 mag, aaand after ~12sec silent filling (meaning there was no greengas spittin anywhere) i can shoot only 17 shots on semi.... I have tried to fill my #2 BATCH 2 magazine without putting an o-ring and spitting greengas everywhere for 12 secs - i dunno whether the other mag is different or what, but this one shot 44 shots after 12 sec fill. So my question is, should i do the green gas modification on my BATCH 2 mags? Is it still profitable to do it? What should i do about green gas spitting everywhere when I am filling the MWS magazines? should I put an o-ring to properly fill TM MWS magazines? Thank you for your answers to this!

Yeah i saw their FB response. I think they dont realise just how many people want those ffs. I hope they pull their finger out a bit faster lol.

Fair points, I didnt realise it was such a PITA. I considered driving up to Airsoft Zone, but its a 2 hour round trip and I wont be anywhere near there in the forseeable future for me to plan a trip in. The annoying thing is I am pretty close to the shop next week on a work trip but as I will have 15 kids with me and using trains and public transport its not going to be easy to swing by the store whilst up that way I have found somewhere for doing 100 for £233 and they are in stock and able to post so worth doing that as fuel and my time are worth more to me. Thanks for the advice peeps!

Now they are saying on the social media page that the KA Fal will be out in later 2021 or early 2022. Suppose time will tell...

-WAS DCS DA5.56, WAS pistol holster, WAS dump pouch all in A-tacs iX. -Helikon mini training rig in Multicam. -2 x HI GEAR olive trousers for £10 ea from go outdoors (these are for work but they're light and I might use them later in the summer for airsoft). -Some more troy lee design xc and fox head gloves for both mtb and airsoft. -A onetigris 4.5" face mask in Multicam.

In my job its 'Frames Per Second' Gets very confusing 😄

First person shooter innit? 😉

(Many don’t understand humour in the US....)

Reg, line, tank, pump and drum mag are en route! Fingers crossed for delivery before the Bank Holiday!

Toilet Roll with a couple of bits of glass at both ends. I wish I could stick my Simmons Whitetail internals in the the PSO

Given the opportunity I'll be picking up the FAL from King Arms as I'd love a reason to put together a Cold War British Forces kit. It would also be good for some Cold War events once we're back at that stage.

Literally asked the same thing last week https://airsoft-forums.uk/topic/51304-tm-ngrs-to-upgrade-or-not/ Decided that, apart from switching the Tamiya to Deans, I'm going to leave everything alone at this point.

You should have a lot of fun with those guns. I cant comment on the druganov, as i havent used one, but the SMC9 and AAP01 are both really good guns with great range and decent kick for GBB guns.. Actually that reminds me... *proceeds to dig my own SMC out and start getting it cleaned and lubed ready for first game back.... whenever that will be*

isn't that basically the kalash 2012 from metro?

@TheFull9 posted a link to this document on his FB page many moons ago, and unfortunately said link is now dead. By pure luck I've been able to find this document again. Originally put together for the HKPro community, it's a presentation by a former (and now deceased) employee of H&K, Jim Schatz AKA 'G3Kurz' on the HKPro forums. It focuses on the turbulent '90s and early '00's for the company, and has some excellent pictures of the XM8 Prototypes, the H&K 'Pattern' room and a bunch of other really cool stuff. If you like H&K - or firearms in general, it's a really interesting read. I thought I post it here so others can take a look. TheHKDecades.pdf

One day soon I will join the MWS master race. I can't take all this jealousy anymore!