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HPA rifle hate? I guarantee it’s not why you think
CaptainDumbass and 2 others reacted to Qlimax for a topic
So, I’ve just read this online and I have to say a lot of what’s been said I agree with. Here’s what I am talking about. Have a read. HPA rifle hate? I guarantee it’s not why you think So Polarstars have been around a while now. To begin with, there was a mass outrage about them, that I really didn't understand. Having been an airsofter, and a field owner for quite some time now, I’ve been through many of these hatred phases. First it was Systema’s, and how people where supposedly changing out cylinders mid-game and shooting hot. Shortly after this, there was the the LiPo haters, saying that people with LiPo’s had crazy ROF, yet they do nothing more than a well upgraded AEG will do with any regular battery. Alongside the LiPo’s were people hating on people using box magazines on M4’s (this one I agreed with) especially if they combined this with a LiPo , and the list goes on.. ... for a while people hated KWA AEG's because they all shot hot out of the box... ...there have been many things hated on in the airsoft community, but once Polarstars were introduced, we really had an ABSOLUTE WHINE-FEST on our hands. Some parks banned them completely, some put them in their own group away from others, other parks introduced guidelines such as ROF caps, that applied to everyone, in a hope to play fair. With Polarstars, the complaints seem to be that players believed that polarstar users were changing their FPS after chronoing (something we have NEVER caught anyone doing), or changing the ROF after chronoing (which we caught only ONE person doing ever). Fundamentally though, there is one thing that overrules any of these complaints, and that is that a rifle is an inanimate object, incapable of doing anything without the user doing it. Basically, it’s NEVER the rifle’s fault, always the player that did something wrong. Knowing human nature, there’s only ever a rare few people that ACTUALLY do the things they’re being accused of. Most people do play fairly. So why does everyone hate Polarstars? I’ve gotta admit, for the longest time, I was stumped, too. Until recently, I made an interesting discovery… ...we were short staffed at the park one day, and so I was chronoing some players. As I was chronoing these players, I was astonished by just how many guns were firing like absolute crap. I chronoed around 50 rifles that day, and almost all of them were shooting around 310fps. Here’s how it broke down; Out of the 50 rifles I chrono’d; · 3 rifles shot 270-300fps · 33 rifles shot 300-330fps · 8 rifles shot 340-360fps · 5 rifles shot 360-400fps · 1 rifle shot over 400fps (did not pass chrono) Even just a few years ago, if you chrono’ed people at around 330fps or below, the player would be shocked, and make some comment about getting his rifle serviced, as it wasn’t shooting right. They'd be heading to the store THAT day to get their rifle looked at! I was amazed as player-after-player handed me their rifles to chrono (some were even brand new rifles) and either didn’t pay attention to the chrono, or made no comment when they shot 310fps or so. So, what does this have to do with polarstars, you ask? EVERYTHING. The players in the higher end of the FPS spectrum were mostly Polarstar users. There was only 1 AEG at the park that day that had a respectable fps of 385fps. Everyone else was shooting WAY low. So why does everyone claim that polarstar users are ‘shooting hot’? It’s real simple. The reason everyone believes polarstar users are shooting hot, is because the majority of players’ rifles at Jericho Airsoft are shooting too LOW!! When you get hit by a .28g that was shot from a polarstar chrono’d at 385-390fps, and it feels like it hits you harder, it’s because it IS HITTING YOU HARDER, yet still WELL WITHIN our chrono limits. Why do people hate polarstars? Mostly because they’re used to being hit softly by weaker shooting rifles. Isn’t it also funny that the players complaining about polarstars shooting hot, are also the same players complaining about people cheating at OVER 100ft AWAY??? Also the same players complaining about the guy in the bush not calling it? This also explains why everyone was yelling ‘OW!’, when I shot them with my AEG shooting 385fps. So let’s wrap this up really quickly and explain what’s happening here. Most airsofters today, seem to go out and buy a rifle, and instead of upgrading the internals to shoot well, and keep maintaining that rifle, they don't. Instead they buy a helmet, a scope, or some other kind of accessory. Most of them have a full loadout, all the gear, yet don’t even own a full uniform. A lot of these players have over $800 dollars worth of equipment, yet only a $200.00 rifle, and complain that a uniform is too expensive to buy (you can buy a uniform top for the same price as a t-shirt). These players maintain their rifles, and therefore the rifle’s fps drops down by at least 50fps, and doesn't get maintained. Often these players will spend $200.00 on external upgrades such as a rail system and a silencer making their gun look cool, but it shoots terribly. I would personally rather have a gun that looks absolutely out-of-the-box-stock, but shoots beautifully, is accurate as hell, at around 385fps. So, what should you all do? Follow my rule of thumb here; Whatever the chrono limit is, aim to get your rifle shooting CONSISTENTLY 15fps lower than the limit. OUTDOORS: 400fps limit = aim for 385fps INDOORS: 350fps limit = aim for 335fps By consistently, I mean that your rifle should not vary by more than 2-3 fps +/-. This allows for any discrepancies, or any days where your gun shoots hot. At 15fps under, it should never shoot over. At lower than 350fps, bbs will NEVER break through bushes or brush. I guarantee if most players maintained and upgraded their rifles even slightly, to shoot within a reasonable FPS, the complaints about Polarstars would disappear. The playing field would be equal, because everyone would be shooting to their airsoft rifle's full potential. So there you have it, it’s not the Polarstars, nor is it the players shooting them, it’s actually the poor performance of people that neglect their rifles that have caused the misunderstanding, because everyone's used to being hit SOFTLY BY THEIR GUNS.3 points -
Got a little busy this afternoon with my Firehawk and SAS-12. I've always liked the whole "post apoc" and battered feeling! I'm looking to add a few bits, maybe some rope/tape. Maybe give them a steampunk feel! I've only ever painted a one coat on RiF's... Thought I'd get the paint brush and sponge out and paint away! Also have this "post apoc" looking chair in the garden so thought I'd use that to stage them on (Sorry for photo spam and bad quality!) You can't see it clearly but on this side, on the red dot I have stenciled "Antt570"3 points
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The town set for Defiance.3 points
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My biggest complaint with them has nothing to do with how they fire, just the bloody tanks (He says after having to convert a certain new acquisition to HPA to not use £20 of propane a day)3 points
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Things I wish I had known when I started....
RabidNinja64 and 2 others reacted to K@rl for a topic
Have you tried an action man??.....3 points -
Things I wish I had known when I started....
Randymanpipe and 2 others reacted to K@rl for a topic
Answer on the back of a post card to ....... (Apologies to anyone under 25 who wont know what a post card is or what the hell am on about)3 points -
I wish id had the confidence to tell my friends and family that i wanted to run around with toy guns years ago. as it goes my mrs though it was paintball for the first few games, I didnt tell her its bb guns until id got a ukara. I showed her a YouTube vid of a us milsim event, first thing she says.... "Are these adults?" Yes love, "what... Like grown up adults?" yes love.3 points
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Marshals
ironscouse and one other reacted to Standbystandby for a topic
So I've been the travelling airsoft guy for a few months now and had a great time. I have noticed one key thing..... Marshals can make or break a day. I have been to a few sites where the marshals were professional and calm let the day flow freely. Sadly at some sites I have witnessed what can only be described as egotistical show offs acting as if they a special forces and you are plebs...who happen to pay for that privilege. I like many others airsoft for fun and maybe a bit long in tooth for that crap! I would be interested in you guys opinions on it?2 points -
You like his helmet.2 points
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I imagine those new we "eagle" speedloaders would be getting used more than usual2 points
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I'm yet to overhear anyone at a game complain about any particular system, but I think the environment here is a bit different to the US and 98% of people use G&G AEGs anyway. As long as your gun is within the appropriate energy limit then I do not care what it is at all, neither should anyone else. If you're using any HPA or gas-in-mag weapon and are planning to run a BB with more mass you need to take it upon yourself to chrono using that specific BB and calculate your own muzzle energy. If it's within the same Joule limits as a 0.2 at 350 then crack on.2 points
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errrrr -556 holo sight -1" raiser -grip pod -ra tech npas -silencer -2 bags of gunfire platinum rockets 0.4g -2 bags of gunfire platinum rockets 0.43g -army VSR hop chamber -3off tm vsr mags -extended mag release for VSR -weapon mountable laser range finder -guerrilla myth 68ci 3k pro tank -guerrilla myth 13ci 3k pro tank -ninja LPR with 42" line -scuba filling rig -polarstar JACK so much for my "i dont think i am going to buy anything airsoft for the next week or so"2 points
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Quitting or not i can still post in the forum, that's completely irrelevant isn't it. if you have something to say to me then bring it to PM rather than trying to be cocky. if you don't like it DON'T READ IT.2 points
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Places to shoot it out.
JamesAirsofterAgent and one other reacted to Raggedy_man for a topic
Any airport of decent size really, with a Jumbo jet thrown into the mix for the real CQB experience.2 points -
Places to shoot it out.
Zak Da Mack and one other reacted to BBrotherwood for a topic
My home town, home advantage for the win...2 points -
I believe this is related to the heavier BBs spending more time in the barrel, so you can set the air volume up to accelerate them rapidly (and for longer), but when you put a .20g BB in, it leaves the barrel so fast that the over volume is not noticed? The net result is HPA guns should be chrono'd both on 0.2g and on the player's intended weight?2 points
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I used to wear a baseball cap but recently switched to an FMA FAST PJ style helmet. Playing a lot of CQB I was getting pissed off with welts on my forehead so it's been a good investment from that point of view. Having seen both in the flesh I would suggest an FMA one over an Emerson though. Plus all the helmet accessories (mounts, clips rails etc) are much better finished from FMA than Emerson too.2 points
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So, that's the Eden Project then? (imagine the plant damage :/ )2 points
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London Underground... with use of the trains too!2 points
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Things I wish I had known when I started....
Raggedy_man and one other reacted to Brackish for a topic
Another mistake...... Having a small skull means things like face masks do not fit very well should have tried one on first, might have to buy a kids version of the half mask and possibly a kids tactical helmet ....... small brain big....2 points -
Blue Peter badges at the ready!2 points
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Things I wish I had known when I started....
Randymanpipe and one other reacted to Lozart for a topic
A man who has made no mistakes has done nothing in his life.2 points -
Things I wish I had known when I started....
Happy and one other reacted to Sitting Duck for a topic
This forum doesn't have the bandwidth for me to even start listing all my mistakes that I'm STILL making BUT the main mistake I think was why the hell didn't I get into this much much sooner ? (say 5+ years ago and I might not be quite so crap at it - well that is just a theory but I'd still be $hite no doubt)2 points -
The biggest mistake i made was buying shed loads of gear i didnt need, then trying to run around in it. Im all about the lightweight and practical now.2 points
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Magnified sights are for snipers and posers. Red dot sights don't always turn themselves off when you put your gun away. Red dot sights will sometimes turn themselves off just before you REALLY need to aim at something. Some people have no sense of fun.2 points
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Like Monty says: No need to worry - just tell them it's a toy and they'll be on their way. The worst that can happen is they get a firearms officer to confirm it's a toy.1 point
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I agree with you completely. Wouldn't stop me using one though. One of the big 'things' with airsoft that has never made sense to me, is the partial realism of the sport: "you must use RIFS", "you may use midcaps" - the hypocrisy. No critique to you beast, or anyone else, as I do agree, but it seems all airsoft players pick and choose what elements of non realism they are willing to put up with in their kit, and others. Many without noticing the double standards they impose on others. Either go full realism, or don't, but it should not matter what the other guy has (visually speaking), yet practically speaking - why were hicap magazines even invented, I won't use them and i'd love to play realcap games, but I don't speak a peep when out playing airsoft. Realism and airsoft (skirmishes) are two things which do not go together.1 point
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Places to shoot it out.
straffham reacted to Okto Eight Milsim for a topic
There is a ship on the west coast of the USA that is used by a milsim company for games.1 point -
I keep mine in the car. Don't want people disturbing me while I'm pew pewing anyway.1 point
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Places to shoot it out.
skarra333 reacted to danbristow91 for a topic
Knackered city's would be cool... Chernobyl or however you spell it would be pretty cool1 point -
Places to shoot it out.
Raggedy_man reacted to BrightCandle for a topic
The iranian embassy I think would be a fun one off game (not necessarily with the SAS winning!).1 point -
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Has anyone else noticed that it's always the bloke at the back, dressed like a bomb disposal expert that is shouting "push up"1 point
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And use of a Minigun of course. . . :-)1 point
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Helmets - what's the opinion?
Raggedy_man reacted to Sitting Duck for a topic
cheapo FAST type helmet rather than a pith m88 helmet you don't absolutely NEED one until you bash/scrape ya noggin then you NEEDED one !!!! yes you can get by with something like a baseball cap/beanie but believe it or not a mediocre helmet and some cheapo knee pads does help avoid a few bashsed nuts n knees (especially if scrambling about in woodland or smashing your head on a door frame in cqb) edit - bashed nuts = head btw, for the other type you need a groin box and a little "chat" with your opponent if they keep shooting your own personal bb's cheapo snidey FAST type about £30 fleabay UK selleror about £20 upwards from EU or overseas and wait a while do tend to give you that "pro" image but only if you got some other attire as well mind you for cqb at places like the Mall I don't think anything beats a guy in suit dark shades/goggles and packing 2 x pistols (either he's extreme bad-ass or just doesn't give a toss about pain when you look that feckin' hard)1 point -
Helmets - what's the opinion?
Raggedy_man reacted to Sacarathe for a topic
If you buy one, the EmersonGear fast helms have a good rep for the most simplistic level of helmets, but they have two types, basic - interior is one lump of polystyrene(i think) padding, and no adjustment screw, and advanced, which has removable pads and a size screw, measure your head before buying! Generally they're a rip off in this country anyway, so something better might be affordable, but don't ask me what, I started my airsoft hobby copying popular youtubers - I do not regret it. Note - as you will see from other forum topics (see search) these helmets are replicas and should not be treated as an object expected to protect your head in a situation you'd expect them to, that said, tree branches door/window frames, a basic knock into a wall, and BB's they're great. Just don't go jumping off a mountain in them - probably shouldn't ride a bike either.1 point -
Things I wish I had known when I started....
Raggedy_man reacted to djben9 for a topic
yeah i know what you mean..... i am however looking to get some 'clothing' only from abroad then hopefully i will stop...for a while....children and wife do help as they need to be fed and watered!1 point -
Drop leg holsters! Advice needed!
Airsoft_Mr B reacted to Mr Monkey Nuts for a topic
http://www.uktactical.com/p-10044-pentagon-k17051-mamba-gun-pouch-black.aspx They are supposed to be quite good.1 point -
Not to worry Ian, I'm on the path to the darkside - got myself an AK!1 point
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Come on mate, you've not been away that long have you? It's a dark version of multicam.1 point
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I wish I knew skirmishes where happening when I bought my first gun wayy back in 1998. I didn't find out about skirmishes until 2012'ish1 point
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Things I wish I had known when I started....
djben9 reacted to ImTriggerHappy for a topic
How much it was going to cost in time and money. That some people would take it so seriously and forget its a game. How to set the hop up correctly.1 point -
Common newbie mistake for me. Bought a chest rig and its too much so that will be sold and a molle with just enough mag pouches, bb holder and water holder. Lucky for me you lot have helped me research about other gear and all I need is my defense and I will be set up till the 'SHINEY' bug kicks in lol.1 point
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Things I wish I had known when I started....
two_zero reacted to Raggedy_man for a topic
Same here, I'm now downsizing to a simple chest rig and dump pouch rather than a whole Assault vest filled with stuff I will never need. As the old expression goes "Keep it simple, stupid!"1 point -
Things I wish I had known when I started....
Esoterick reacted to Colonel Kurtz for a topic
Like most wish i'd had a better knowledge of brands and the differences. I did as much research as i could and didn't do too bad for first gun - ICS M4 (metal new one) still was only a few months until i bought another gun i use regularly and the ICS got put back in the box Wish i'd known my local site was shite and their shop run by a scammer (absolute airsoft) Apart from that most of it you just have to try and see for yourself, or take the time to research Perhaps that if you regularily go more than once a fortnight you end up with enough marks to looks like you got meth-rot or frequent the needle exchange1 point -
Airsoft forums
jcheeseright reacted to TheFull9 for a topic
Eugh.. facebook.. great for throw-away content (memes etc), absolutely rubbish for anything meaningful if you ever want to find the information again any time in future, or indeed have a decent discussion about anything in a format that's not insulting to the eyes. I guess I'm just old...1 point -
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