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Oops my bad, I was thinking of a different recreational toy gun based hobby 😄

To be honest, I think a days entertainment for £25-£30 is amazingly cheap. I don't think there are many activities that are more than sitting on your arse in your own home(Netflix and gaming) that has such a low per hour cost. The rest of the costs (guns, ammo, food, pyro, kit) are up to the player and can be done incredibly cheaply or incredibly expensively, so looking for ways to reduce this further is feasible in the UK. If anything I'd encourage going the other way, charge me more but have paid Marshalls. It's hard to get volunteers to run a site as well as people who are getting paid for it. That's why a lot of sites are based around the one or 2 people who make the cash from it. If they aren't there or they're having an off day the whole site goes down hill. A local site to me has peaks and troughs and it's entirely based around the site managers (not the owners). When they change so does the quality of the site, the games run, the way the briefing is given, the attitude to the whole day/weekend etc. When it's bad it's pretty hard to moan cause they're doing their best and they are just volunteering.

To be fair, guys, you could adopt the model we use over here: We don't have sites you can play at, we instead have clubs with a yearly subscription fee to cover insurance and get some money to buy/build/rent stuff (varies from club to club, in mine it's €70 for example), you get a permit to play on a piece of land and essentially you're done. Of course you won't have the numbers you're used to, you will lose some facilities like toilets and food, but overall it'll be much, much easier to sustain than dishing out a decent dinner every time you want to go out and shoot your mates in the ass from a bush.

I've done a few more modifications to the suit this week, hopefully I can get a few picture on the Weekend.

At my sites... District 23 is £18 for walk on and £28 for walk on plus rental. Rental for a 10er is outstanding when I see people on here quote much higher prices at their local sites. And my other site 101 Scarborough is £25 walk on with or without rental. Cant argue at that either. These are both indoor CQB sites, D23 is a more 'professional' endeavor and 101 is a guy who has rented a derelict care home so the locals have somewhere to play. Much more of a intimate player base of locals and run much less restricted. Like a you don't be a dick and I won't be a dick attitude from the owner. Which is great if everyone plays well and fair. All in all I think they are both great value for the quality of the sites plus how well run they both are and the variety of play.

I've played sites for £20 and had a bad time, and played sites for £35 - £40 and had an outstanding time. The opposite is also true. Every time you pay your fee to play you're rolling the dice. There are so many variables as to what will make your day good value for your money; site size, development, layout, rules, marshaling, weather etc.... But frankly, the thing I feel makes or breaks ANY game day, no matter the site, are the players. All it takes is a few dickheads to flip a day and make me regret handing over my hard earned cash.

Sorry, I couldn't resist

That was mesmerising... Ah that's better. No more red. Although I was a little tempted to leave some of it as weathering

It's an interesting model, but I can't see it working in the UK. We're a cramped, crowded island with few areas of secure, isolated land that aren't in regular use, or subject to having public randos rambling onto them. Sites here sadly tend to get kicked off the land as soon as the landowner finds any other way of making money from it. Even if you could find a bit of land that's unused on a given weekend, landowners might not want to have it covered in plastic, or take on any vicarious liability. Indemnity for players might be do-able, Shooters Rights or similar could cover it. I say "could" because their underwriter will be set up to cover people shooting at things or beasties, rather than at other people who are shooting back. Still, it'll be fine on paper until it's not.

NiMh is a bit old tech. Have a read here. Li-Po (Lithium Polymer) are more common now as they do not have any memory effect and can store more power in a smaller package (Higher power density)

Since I'm no longer dressing up like a bush, I finally got snapped while playing! Weight loss loadout in its full glory because I've put 20 of the 45 kilos I originally lost back on thanks to stress eating over unemployment Even managed to use my GBBR AK instead of my NGRS 416, since my friend didn't want to use his last weekend so I could borrow his mags (I only have 1, he has 4, so 5 in total at 35 BBs each is usable). If I managed to lose 45kg before, surely I can lose 35kg now! I'm even going to the gym and healthy eating (again) and stuff 😮

It includes 3 hi cap fills at around 330 each (only given 1 mag at a time, you have to go back to recepton to refill) So close to 1000 BBs and extra refills are available at £3 each. So yeah damn good value.

you could do that over here but has a lot legal requirements to fulfil. you must either have massive numbers or land and insurance is dirt cheap. no site in the UK could function on that little per year most sites relie on hires to to cover costs and probably have less than 60 regulars at £70 that's only £4200 a year that wouldn't even be able to rent enough land to put a portapotty on. even if that was a £70 a month thats still nowhere near enough.

Being somewhat of an M14 fanboy I would say that the TM is great out of the box (but as is typical for TM, low on power). I have three Cyma M14s all of which have been spectacular out of the box in terms of range. They're not always hot FPS wise out of the box but certainly usable. A better barrel and hop rubber will almost certainly see your FPS go up and a new motor won't hurt as the standard Cyma one is a bit rubbish. If you go for the full length one it is REALLY long, if you go for the EBR it's REALLY front heavy. The Socom sits in the Goldilocks zone of having a long enough barrel but without all that tedious apologising for taking people's eyes out when you turn round. I also have an E&C based MK12 which is a LOT easier to work on (QC spring, it's basically an M4 etc) but I do gravitate towards the M14s. Must be the masochist in me.

Video of MWS recoil making my bingo wings wobble I'm definitely going to have to do more dips 🤣

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Manic day at strikeforce Gloucester yesterday, everyone seemed to have had their weetabix and the quality of play was fantastic, my friends and I found the honesty levels to be very high. The MWS always brings a grin to my face (not great when I don't wear face protection lol) and I found I was going through all 6 of my mags most games as well as all 5 of my glock mags. The last game I played was Tug of War which was basically a stalemate for the entire game with the middle of the play zone being an absolute meat grinder. Must have over 100 welts on my body (8 on my face alone). Amazing day.

Also as feedback, you may want to re-evaluate that bulk deal on Nuprol 3.0. You're going to struggle to find someone willing to invest £390 as a lump sum on gas. Especially as it works out £15.60 per a can and the individual price is £12 - £15.

true, been looking more into importing directly myself last couple of weeks, just a small selection of RIF's, but in fairly large numbers. Importation prices seem to change on a weekly basis, that is you can find an agent who will ship Airsoft products.

members 'adelson345' and 'RICHY99' tring to get me to email their mate who magically has the exact items i'm after lol. beware!!

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I recognised the price structure ….. but to be fair that is a rental price structure intended for the occasional day out, as opposed to an own gunner who would ideally be paying a slightly higher green fee and buying their balls by the case load. Such as £25 entry and options of BYO or a case of 2000 for £30 of good fresh balls - (approx £55 for a day out) as opposed to basic rentals with free or cheap entry plus a rolling price structure against various quantities of basic quantity balls. (If planned ahead probably £50/£60 for a day out with half as many balls but slower shooting or around £100+ without researching the price structure or going in with fat wallets) Each type of player would expect to be separated to different dates or different areas of the site - and expect staff to be paid rather than volunteers / player Marshall’s In airsoft the situation may vary between sites but it appears that the trend is for regulars to be mixed among rentals unless it’s a large group / exclusive booking, and as noted in the thread isn’t very viable in contrast to the overheads of running a site In paintball the sites exist due to the primary business of public rental paintball and then add walkons with other pricing for encouraging repeat custom from own gunners as they get more serious I equate airsoft to a cross between walkon & scenario paintball, and to be viable sites need a good turnover of players to cover the costs of the site, staff etc

Sorry to be so blunt but the best upgrade for an AA Glock pistol is put it in the bin and buy a WE. You will spend more on the AA and it still won’t be as good as a stock WE. for Glocks in general not much is needed. A bearing for the hammer is a good upgrade for smooth cycling as is a maple leaf hop chamber, rubber and a crazy jet barrel. Nothing else is really needed.

I can understand going for a profit if you hold stock and its quick delivery but 80% is quite a markup for dropshipping and china delivery times

When one of the teens asked for green gas and they passed the HPA tank i had a little giggle

Keep those spam reports coming.

Cries in milsim costs I normally pay £25 for woodland skirmishes, which to me is reasonable. I think the deciding factor for me though, is how the day itself goes. If it's a bad day then naturally you're going to feel that the cost is unjust for the most part.

I'm surprised that airsoft remains so cheap. My two regular sites are £26.50 outdoors and just £25 for a full day of indoors. Neither do "free" food, but I'm fine with not having the price of a tepid hot dog costed in. The Depot 2.0 is now up to £36 a day, which is when I start to question the value for a site still under development. Although I'd be amazed if their income comes close to paying the rates on the building - I'd assume they're doing some sort of "sports charity" wheeze again. As just noted elsewhere, I reckon the real rate of inflation is running at well above the headline 4.9% CPI, given the hundreds of billions of new fiat that we've shaken from the magic money tree. That necessarily reduces the value of what's in our pockets. It's amazing that prices haven't risen further and faster. On that, if you're waiting for RIF and consumable prices to come down before buying, I wouldn't. Money printing and now sharp rises in fuel and energy are only going to drive prices higher. True, not when comparing site vs site. However, when comparing playing versus watching Netlix, it's a real consideration. At 50 to 70 mile round trips to the nearest sites now, I can't ignore the costs of fuel any more. Of course, this is all in the context of a hobby where we think £100 for a toy is bargain-basement. I'm sure many of us could find a season's play just by thinning our collections a bit. I've got RIFs in baskets at two retailers, but in both cases I've hovered over the buy button and thought "Wouldn't you rather spend that money on playing instead?"

Yeah definitely done that, just been so long was contemplating actually making a trip to France just to pick one up lol hopefully they’re back in stock soon!

Good day at Special Ops. 80 people there meant the games inevitably ended up with some stalemates due to the weight of suppressing fire, but the marshals did a good job of encouraging, and if that didn't work then even moving some extra cover in place, or simply declaring an objective taken. I noticed the teenagers weren't very keen on trekking back to respawns, they'd just walk 20m from the front line and then go back again, whereas this old man with his arthritic knees and chocolate ankles was toiling backwards and forwards. Oh well. Had a couple of hero moments when pushing forward, had two rifles (two! count 'em! two!) working and used, and when the battery gave out in the TM Aug HC, right when I was pushed up on the objective area, I even pulled the pistol out. I managed to try a couple of HPA guns. So yeah, an Evo Scorpion with the necessary bits at several hundred quid might be a bit of a big bill to swallow, but it really was nice to shoot. The guys were impressed with how good the DE M906 was, especially for the price. The TM got some compliments too (mostly no doubt for Not Being Another M4, I'm sure :)) I think our team won every single round through the day.

gbp to euro hasn't changed since Nov, not sure about euro to usd or rmb though. either way inflation affecting Poland just like it is in UK

Back from a disaster induced hiatus, cracking on with some very trick 3d printed parts from makeit3d for the TM hi-capa 4.3. Good to be back.

Could be their supplies used to come via train from China via either Russia / Belarus, or through Ukraine. That's gone now I guess. That's if via Rail, which isn't that common due to most couriers not shipping Airsoft (banned) products via rail.

Hence why Airsoft will neve become big. At most Skirmishes what most of your fees are going on is land rent ( I see you play Z-mart I don't even want to guess what they are paying rent for a site in the south of England) and business rates and don't make enough to pay a staff instead has volunteers doing it for free game and petrol money. if sites were to provide everything players wanted green fees would easily push £100+. how much is a Sports club membership, or a season ticket. Hell I payed close to £100 to see muse last time they toured (was it good valve no! was it a fantastic gig yes would i do it again? yes) Airsoft is a niche hobby that is expense you either accept that or find something else to do. Most sites are hanging on by a thread, numbers drop they're done, wood price goes up the site gets cleared, gentrifications comes to town the site gets levelled.

I empty their boneyard section whenever there's anything good in there, so just buy cheap stuff, but Paul has always been helpful. I'd happily spend on a full price aeg.

Not been playing today but had 3 guns in bits for cleaning, lubing and mild upgrading does that count? also copious amounts of alcohol and snacks as the wife is away 😁

I'm back

I ended up in the cells the other day. I'd gone to B&Q to look for some wood for the garden. This cock in an orange overall asked me if I wanted decking. So I got the first punch in.

Just ordered this: https://www.opticswarehouse.co.uk/vortex-sparc-solar-red-dot2-moa I have had enough with 'reproduction' optics. They are so hit and miss in finding a good one unless you are lucky that the warranty easily covers the relatively small difference in cost.

I went to B&Q yesterday for a length of 4×2(150×50). Salesman asked how long I wanted it? I said that I was rather hoping to keep it.

Two down, lots more to go.

Don't need any of that hippy dippy woke bullshit. I'll tell ya! Propane till i die! Me and the MWS boys

I run a 455mm Crazy Jet in my MK12 DMR build and it has been very good. I can get 450fps on green gas as long as the weather is reasonable and I haven’t noticed any difference in my groupings or accuracy at 50m (which is the longest I can test at home). I usually run .36g BBs at 385fps rather than .2s at 450 fps. It gives much better overall performance for me at least.

Hi all, new to the MWS gang 🤓 Managed to secure a CQBR from fire-support's recent stock drop and I must say, she is a beauty! Already have some Magpul goodies on route as well as looking to change the stock for the Carbine version as I prefer the look. Also interested in one of the famous SixG SUPER NUB's to enable the lift of .36's. Does anybody know if these are still available to purchase?

Not in the Northern hemisphere in March... In the summer I use two. One khaki as per the avata and one Vietnamese green job. You have to be careful where you wear them though. The local Zulu diaspora are frightened by one, the personel of the local US airbase by the other.

Hi @Will-CS Yeah covid has done for a lot of businesses but best wishes for your new venture and maybe I might become a customer one day. Good luck👍 Regards

Bullseye Country sport in NI can be useful for bits and bobs.

Am I doing it right?

Just to note here, that Border Force and police are just people ensuring the law gets implemented as per legislation. Some of the time they can be overzealous or overly concerned officers that have little idea of how to implement the shit that the Parliament is responsible for writing into law. There’s been several cases of police officers visiting lawful gun owners in Dorset to try and take those guns away from them on some flimsy basis, or issuing blank certificates to lure them into the trap of “fill it yourself”, definitely ATF-style. I have a problem with this woke government in particular; they basically try to expand a list of everyday items that can be considered as an “offensive weapon.” As we know per the very educational Bourne franchise, even a ballpoint pen can be a deadly weapon in the right hands, does that mean we should ban all ballpoint pens? There’s a great series of video by the BlackBeltBarrister on YT about Knife Law, I recommend this. He also did demonstrate the extent of applicability of the law in practical terms.

Was it this fella ?