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Sites banning HPA?

My old site had a ban on CO2 and HPA. Why? No idea and tbh I don't really care why as I wasn't running the games. At the end of the day its down to site owners to decide what rules the do and don't want to implement. If people don't like a site's rules then don't play there rather than moaning about it online

We're playing pretend soldiers with toy guns. It's something that little children do, plus a budget. I've never understood the urge to take this hobby remotely seriously.

which isn't an excuse.

Spam issue has been addressed with the addition of an extra plugin that claims to help. We'll see I suppose...

When my lad started playing he bought a two tone CO2 pistol. It must have been several sites in until it was chrono'd. It was running at about 420-40fps on .2. He had been using it at close quarters around buildings. That was one of the reasons that we went back to that site and became regulars. No excuses for not checking secondaries!

I think insurance requirements based on this is probably fairly likely. Plenty or risk assessments are lazy copy paste jobs and i can imagine someone who knows airguns wouldnt care to learn the difference when the power source is the same. Had my employer argue with a larger company's H&S for requireing 6 point ppe to run a gps across a farmers field. at what point is a hard hat necessary among dog walkers? we knew they couldnt come up with a valid justification when they then refered to it as a uniform for the project.... because ppe items have to be relevant to the task, and they couldnt be arsed to amend the ppe to the specific tasks on the scheme....

"Fucked" doesn't cover it. It's complete junk, in and out. Fit for the skip IMO. Rogerborg has it right, it's predatory. I really like PB but ffs that's ripping the pish. There again if some mug buys it its not really their problem... Wtf. Pics of someone's todger are not summat you want to see in an ad...

Not sure encouraging players to break site rules (no matter how ridiculous you believe that rule to be) and just accept a ban if/when it happens is a good look. Everyone should play by the rules if you don't like the rules find another site. It's pretty simple.

Bought this WE Scar H SSR fitted with Inferno Gen2 premium mainly for the engine . It was painted black at some point by a previous owner ( not the seller ) . I was praying I could get the paint off and it took me two days with Isopropyl , kitchen green scourers and a toothbrush . Here it is as nature and the Belgians intended :-

Here's an absolute stoater. https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/evolution-airsoft-by-100461-devgru-dg74-aeg-rifle Missing multiple parts and requires reassembly. Yet on sale at full price sans any warranty (these were actually in stock tail end of last year for £85). Or an even better one from the same page:- https://www.patrolbase.co.uk/evolution-airsoft-by-100444-dg74-aeg-rifle Another EA 74, this time completely and utterly fooched. Decisively u/s, does not work at all, and stock and handguard busted for good measure. A bargain at almost full price with zero warranty! Spivs.

Yep, unfortunately taking it more seriously increases the 'must win' mentality which always ruins the gameplay for everyone else.

Winds me up a treat when "Chrono is open" means most of the marshal team sitting in the office bantering while the newest recruit is sent out with one unit and sometimes no real understanding of what he's doing. What I'd like to see is it being done mob handed, including scouring the safe zone to at least try and spot people who are treating it as optional. Less matey-mate-mates, more zero-tolerance, maximum-deterrence. Even at better sites, there's far too little checking at game-on to spot stuff that's been "forgotten", and as @EDcase unpalatably but correctly points out, even blanket bans are only as good as the in-game enforcement. Blanket bans are like dog breed specific legislation. Unfair, overly general, punish the decent majority, it's the owner, not the weapon (dog), and so on. But on the other hand, when a dog rips Little Timmy to bits while its owner says "Bloodslaya wouldn't hurt a fly, soft as butter" and it's a pit bull every time, eventually you spot a pattern.

Shout louder at your team mates. Costs nothing, no extra weight and no electronics to go faulty...

As has been said above, if you've been playing for quite a while your likely to have met other regulars & small groups locally, better to gently build on those links & see what forms. Pushing too hard to join or form a team usually ends up with unknown entities that don't always mesh well, which can be awkward when the team breaks up & you continue to frequent the same sites. As for teams that take it more "seriously", they tend to be populated by Teflon Walts who insist on hierarchy etc, & believe their own hype too much, usually falling out with everyone they play against lol.

Following the same logic, The Game Awards and other similar contests are also pointless, because nobody is capable of playing absolutely every single game to have skin in the game. Or watch a movie. Or try every recipe. Of course it's a subjective popularity contest. The point is to find out which sites are the most favourable among the online community. That's why it's called "Player's Choice". I could tell you objectively which sites are most popular based on the traffic on PlayAirsoft, but that would be also a biased representative, since it's algorithmically driven by search engines with plenty of queries for some specific sites. In the end, feel free to ignore this whole thing. If you don't think your vote might be representative due to a particular viewpoint, I have no objection there, but let's not make it into something bigger than it is. Some things are not made to be super serious. As a hobby niche we've been hit with enough crap over the last two years to put a lot of dedicated players down, to the detriment of the sport. It's not like I'm suddenly going to start slapping "recommendation" badges based on random online polls, which are subjective by nature. It's not a meaningful metric of excellence by any standard. The contest was created to raise awareness of airsoft, airsoft organisers, see what players think is best, bring us together, maybe entice organisers to start paying attention to player standards in the near future, etc. Lots of positive points to consider to bring us together. We've had enough divisions in the past two years.

I used my mws between Christmas and new year, 8degrees with asg green gas and .32 bbs mods tan modify bucking hsb buffer sixg brass nub out ranged most things on site, two full mags from each gas fill. (no full auto though) Very happy bunny arp 9 users with drum mags are louder and provide a challenge to engage against but each hit is so rewarding carrying 5 mags means a realistic 300 rounds before regassing, based on my experience last week that is one full auto burst for some

You could always use the Rebuild Progress and Achievements function, this would start a re-count of all members stats and badges based on the settings you have defined in the ACP for a community this large that would likely take the system 14 days to complete but its a passive background operation so it wont harm or take down the community board. This might bring justice for the long standing members since it will re-count their entire posting history.

It’s all organic, baby! 😎 In all seriousness, web stuff is what I do professionally, and SEO is not black magic. I’m still not 100% happy with the effect, but it’s been a few good months, and the compounding effect of building good, quality content people actually rely on has paid off. I have way more in store for 2022, as there are some glaring shortcomings of having a static website as opposed to something more dynamic and player-focused. But that’s something for another topic on this forum. Not objectively, no. It’s just a contest to see which sites are trending in players minds, see regional spread, which regions are more active online, that sort of stuff. Technically, if you got enough friends you could skew the results, so… 🤪 It’s not really going to reach the numbers I’ve had during the initial player survey, but it’s a good indicator of “engagement vs traffic”, as I currently cannot measure this reliably. It also tests aptitude for more complex ideas in the future. A - Always B - Be T - Testing And just like that you’ve got an inside scoop into this whole thing. Ain’t being on a niche hobby forum informative at times? I thought this internet thing was made for watching cat videos, social media and playing video games. 🤣🤣🤣

If RAs are copy and paste jobs they aren't fit for purpose nor legally correct. Sounds like someone couldn't be arsed updating their RA which makes an arse out of the whole thing. I do RAs as part of my job, in each case risks have to be identified, rated and mitigated appropriately as much as reasonably practical. Banning everything on a blanket basis or copy and pasting is never an option. The problem is, all too often H&S/RAs are used as a justification to stop stuff if someone wants an excuse to stop stuff happening or can't be arsed doing something.

No, there’s 5 of us on the team plus a spare and then 2 which I programmed to VHF channels instead. I use them outside of airsofting too hence the quantity 😉

Not that I'd tell your granny how to suck eggs (so to speak), but have you tried a tester on an offcut or two, I'd be inclined to do so, both primer & end colour, be a terrible shame after all your hard work for it to go wonky at this point 🤔 At least then all black is still an option.

I could see the point of these sort of listings if there was a "make an offer" button, but at this point it feels like they're predators looking for victims.

'This could be a good start to a Kyber pass style AK build, but only for the advanced tech, since the gearbox is completely dead.' Translation: 'It's so fucked that you could build an authentic looking fucked up rifle from it, but only if you know what you're doing.'

Some UR Tactical GZ AK pouches 😎

Is this a number of Baofengs you’re currently burning through? Are they so crap you need to buy a regiment of them just in case? 🙃

If your thinking about wanting to join a team and have to ask the ‘team’ if you can join OR you see “my team is looking for new members” ? don’t . Only successful teams I’ve ever come across(my own team included) are made up of players who already knew each other to a certain extent wether outside of or through Airsofting , the members where invited to join the team (they didn’t ask to join it)AND they all had the attitude of it’s just a bit of fun running around shooting each other and having a laugh . Plus there’s no ‘rank’ or leadership structure in them either , it’s all by mob rule !😆On the whole my experience of interacting with structured teams was they where either all up their own arses about there ability/kit/knowledge (hence they’d migrated to each other’s company as no one else actually liked them that much) or you had one very strong/bossy/walt’ish character who was fluent in ‘Call of Duty’ speak as the ‘team leader’ and then a couple of kids who thought he was Andy McNab because of this !

I may have been a little harsh, but I would definitely echo that organically improving your communication and teamwork with people that you already play with is likely to work out very differently than trying to form or join a team that's based on principles, mottoes, patches or [shudders] winr8. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but I've had some bad experiences playing against Team Teflon Walt. "Stacking" groin-to-bum seems to be the switch that engages God Mode.

You need to zoom in a bit. It's roughly a bit under 1000m2 as the main footprint. 3 floors. Some houses to the left for scale.

Chat with others on site to see if they're up for it, if they are then the first thing you need to do I decide how deepvyou want to go. Do you want simply a band of people playing together as a group, or will you go with everyone using the same kit? As for taking the game more seriously, the last thing the hobby needs is more deluded twats thinking they're Captain Price and can order others about before getting all pissy when they don't get their way This

Good shout. I've just done that now. Will revisit this thread in a week to see if that's enough or not, then go to a vote.

If it has not been chrono checked then it should not be used If secondaries are not checked then no secondaries should be allowed When I began at scenario paintball events there were long queues at the chrono and air fill stations At the chrono people were checking, adjusting, checking, adjusting etc at a limited number of chrono points. I bought my own handheld, chronoed myself and then went to the official chrono - it would be slightly out. If I was a little below then I didn’t squeeze out adjustments for a few FPS, if high I would adjust and rechrono. I also chronoed as soon as possible rather than dithering and chatting - the queues were always at their worst when the organisers were trying to herd the sheep to get games started Sites brought in more chronos so players can get through more quickly & tinkerers can tinker to one side, they standardised limits between events so players didn’t keep upping and lowering each week, players learnt that if they didn’t get their act together they were going to miss game on A similar thing with air fills. I began events with a 3000psi system, the big queues were at the 4500psi fill points. When I ‘upgraded’ to 4500psi, rather than stand in the morning queue for 4500 I could get 3000, chrono and come back while others were still queuing Sites would then start up the fill stations earlier, bring in an extra air specialist for large events etc. Players also learned to avoid queue bottle necks Airsoft in the UK existed when I began paintball, there are seemingly more regular airsofters than regular paintballers - it should be better organised Either we don’t talk about the ‘good’ ones and the ‘bad’ ones don’t care / have not learned the lessons yet

Themed milsims and filmsims tend to attract loose teams via FB groups and the like. For CQB I would try and form a team around existing links. A few mates play in a team of former squaddies from the same regiment. I play along with blokes I have met playing a specific role in filmsim and milsim. Again, for CQB teams/groups tend to grow onsite. Chat to fellow players that you tend to end up beside.

True; however, that is for the site to deal with.

The only reason I could understand for banning co2 is as Tommikka points out is the risk of a "wet shot" spiking the power, whether or not this actually happens in modern airsoft rifs is another thing. All other reasons die at the crono.

I've seen the rules in the past and in the end I just didn't play those sites. It seems stupid idea in my opinion. Hpa has tournament lockable regulators etc, just require those. As for co2 being over anything has the potential to be over if you adjust/build/modify it that way. I have a co2 m9 I've used for winter and have done for years simply as it's much better at dealing with the cold than my green gas pistols at the time. All I'd have suggested is that you contact them and ask for clarification and then vote with your feet/wallet one way or the other. Not all site owners/operators are the sharpest of tools or brightest of lights.

CO2 weapons have been banned at Ace Combat for years, due to concerns about the potential for them to be overpowered on the first shot or two from a fresh bulb and about the potential for a gun suddenly going hot due to system problems. Are those reasonable concerns? Discuss. I cannot think why anyone would play there; it is a small, flat, boring site. That is an argument for proper chronoing of CO2 pistols, not for banning them.

Co2 pistols tend to be hot from my experience owning one and seeing others being used. I'm not going to complain about Co2 pistols being banned since they tend to be used at close range and can get close to 400fps

Thanks for the vote of confidence @Tactical Pith Helmet, although it remains to be seen if it all doesn't fall apart on its first skirmish or is a nightmare to run about in... time will tell. @Shamal I don't even know my own strength at times... pure space marine beefcake. Oo-rah! For the eagle-eyed among you, you'll notice the shoulders are a bit squint. That was a snafu that only got picked up after I'd glued it all together. D'oh! The glue seams are very visible but it'll all be painted over anyway. Still, that black and OD look doesn't look half bad. Choices choices...

silly? some of you could work in airsoft shops, maybe some have heard something somewhere else, notice the word "guess", just any sort of idea so no its not a silly question. people like you make this world the trash it is today

The tears of those no longer able to use CO2 😉

That pic can't be right surely, using the width of the road as an approx size guide, that building looks barely bigger than the average family home ?

One of my local sites sentinel has these rules. No CO2, no DMR and no snipers. DMR and snipers is because the ranges, which are short to med so no need for such RIF's. Now CO2 is because of insurance and not a so much a site rule, but a rule enforced on them.

Teams can get quite serious in milsim but duno for CQB. I guess that gets into the competition/speedsofting area 🤮 If you've been playing for a few years you should play regularly with a few people? Ask if they want to get more serious...?

Back in the olden days, paintball co2 was generally intended to be used in its gaseous state - it would go liquid in the cylinder and the gun would ‘draw’ a measure of CO2 gas. If the temperature dropped or you fired too rapidly then you would draw in liquid co2 Its been forgotten in the mists of time that some paintball guns were designed to run on liquid co2 (particularly in cold regions of the US & Canada) To aid this ‘syphon’ tubes were often fitted inside the cylinder - a pipe weighted with a bolt etc to always sit on the bottom and draw liquid Conversely ‘anti syphon’ systems were fitted with a solid metal pipe bent upwards - If correctly fitted they would ensure co2 gas was drawn As the years went by new players had no knowledge of the original difference ‘syphon’ and would ask for a ‘syphon’ tube to be fitted when an ‘anti syphon’ was required 12gram bulbs are obviously much smaller and less likely to be as variable to a larger co2 cylinder, but it’s been know to happen. I had a particular hard time with one pistol once which was giving very illegal velocities

I would assume it’s because CO2 is unregulated and inconsistent HPA is literally regulated - and consistent (that doesn’t mean that other factors don’t introduce inconsistency) In scenario paintball many years ago a collective UKSPC (UK Scenario Paintball Community) along with a ‘standard’ set of minimum rules The first event we ran in 2009 was the first UKSPC compliant event. Within the rules the maximum velocities for an outdoor event was HPA=280fps, CO2 260fps (If my memory is right) The reduced 260fps velocity was to allow for spiking between shots I don’t think the rules fully defined chronographing and any penalties, but my rules are for a number of shots, and you must chrono CO2 within 260fps to begin the game. If chronoed over on a spot check I would judge with an allowance for spiking - all over then I’m grumpy, one over then I’m nicer

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Happy New Year everyone. Hope the hangovers etc are mostly healed now. Almost done with the armour, finished the shin guards and added neck protection. Purchased a couple of Viper pouches for mags. Considering some added detail on the back and trying to think of something to cover hips/bum/bits as its all looking a bit exposed so far. Decided to do a mockup to see what it all looked like... hmm interesting, kind of a psychotic mishmash of Master Chief, Doomguy, Armored Core and the Inquisitor from Red Dwarf... Eezer G

in theory you are right, but in practise with out upping the pressure significantly it will use more gas and be slower to cycle. you also have a greater cool down effect as well which contributes to slower cycle rates.