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Which is still 3x the ROF of a basic-bitch AEG. I'd suggest that this reveals a significant difference in players' thinking. Me, I reckon real-steel ROF of about 10rps is sufficient for airsoft use, and that if you can't hit what you're aiming at with a burst of three or four BBs, then putting ten or fifteen into the air with the same trigger pull isn't the best solution. Even if half the HPA users aren't getting a crazy ROF, then half are. It's the exceptions at the high end that concern me, no matter how few. It wouldn't, for example, be OK to say "Well, there's a sniper out there shooting 0.5g at 4 Joules, but there's only one of them."

I've been after a super blackhawk for a while and finally got one at a none ridiculous price.

I think that the issue often encountered at a site is not necessarily the high rate of fire (yes, you HPA spammer) but the general poor attitude of overshooting. BBs are cheap so why shoot a few aimed shots when you can spam dozens of BBs down range, spray and pray fashion. There are definitely players who can see their BB strike the target but still keep shooting regardless, and they could be on a stag do, a site regular, a multi-glammer, chav, or experienced player who should know better. If you put enough plastic on someone they will eventually call the hit. Mainly playing CQB, high rate of fire is more noticeable due to the close proximity and limited distance between players. I prefer to just use heavy BBs and shoot less of them.

Have to sort of agree and disagree on this , do agree the stupid ‘flappy’ hair triggers can be a pain in the butt at semi only games but I equally find that you have a similar problem when you have sites saying “short bursts” only . Example few yrs ago went to strike force CQB in Gloucester , first visit the rule was semi only and I thoroughly enjoyed it , yes you did have a few of the hair trigger brigade sticking 3,4 or even 5 shots in to you in the time you got 1 or possibly 2 shots off , but not a problem , BUT next time I went a couple of mths later rules had changed , apparently some of the players with bog standard AEG’s where complaining the HPA and high cycle boys had an unfair advantage(Don’t see this but who am I to say ?) SO they then allowing ‘short’ bursts to ‘even’ the gameplay ?????😳 which ment yes if you had a ‘normal’ AEG you’d get 3,4,5 shots off but the others where now getting 10,11,12 shots off in the same space of time ! now I don’t care how big and ‘ard’ you think you are or how much you crow on about “if you can’t take getting hit don’t play !” a 10+rd burst in CQB F…ing hurts and will piss you off if it happens continuously through out the day .

I agree it is a sickening result, due to the sites being all pussy now and demanding more and more single fire Back when we ran AEGs, carrying 6-9 Hicaps, 9.6v 3300a batteries and 20k of spare bbs in your backpack.. (Just incase.) It was never an issue Make full auto great again!

I remember someone running a FAMAS on a 10.6 NiCad. Used to rebuild it every couple of games when it shat the gears.

no, can still see his fingers..... this, voting with your feet works great but only when there's competition to go to.

Is this better ya pedantic old git 😜

High ROF is essentially the allowed version of this: In both instances the player is hoping to get a kill with the mimimum amount of accuracy or ability

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My two custom builds are coming along nicely

Poor impulse control resulted in these arriving today... 6x lct mid caps for my hk53 1x golden eagle mc6595m The golden eagle is actually pretty nice, this is extremely surprising given how cheap it is! The stock, charging handle and flash hiders are hideous and so replacements have already been ordered. The magazine isnt great while it holds gas (which is shocking for one of these) it unfortunately wont fire the final bb it sits too high in the magazine to trip the bolt stop but too low to be picked up by the BCG.

Great post @Tommikka. Sums it all up very well. I still prefer talking/yelling however.

Other than @Ebeneezer Goode popping in with a good old ‘keep it simple’ with PMR, most have gone straight in with the pros&cons of licenced systems Nobody has asked what @Halointends to do with a radio. Is it for general airsoft use, talking to anyone on the same side ? Is it for talking to only a team group? Is it within a reasonable range in the woods, indoors, an urban area? The best answer for general use is standard PMR, any model, by any manufacturer. Just UK compliant, on PMR frequencies and within the power range with a fixed aerial. The common answer is a fully programmable radio, usually Baofeng, supposed to be operated with a licence and programmed to PMR frequencies illegally operating over authorised power levels A good point is that most posters have pointed out the need for a licence if doing so. Ive used many, sometimes licenced, mostly standard PMR. The ‘best’ handset I have used which gave me great value for money with the ability to monitor comms across multiple ‘channels’ was a cheap and nasty Tesco PMR handset operating on the original 8 analogue PMR frequencies without the sub and did not ‘support’ the sub frequencies. But due to that lack of support I could set it to the basic home frequencies and listen to every sub frequency. eg I was tuned to 1.00 and could only transmit on 1.00, but I could hear 1.01, 1.02, etc Then with the aid of a fully featured PMR I could talk back to anyone Wheh running a game I would carry a minimum of 2, most likely 3 handsets 1) Tescos cheapie - monitoring 2) Full PMR - transmit/receive 3) PMR or licenced handset - event running Ive had a few handsets due over the years, the Tesco ones still worked the last time I tried, I assume they won’t manage to pickup my 16 channel digital PMRs - but Ive never tried

Glad to see retailers taking the moral high ground and sticking to the letter of the law when it comes to selling RIF’s ? 1st scenario , father and son enter an Airsoft shop , child picks up a RIF . ”hello Airsoft retailer” says the father , “id like to buy this gun for my son” “certainly sir” says the Airsoft retailer , “if you could just give me your UKARA number ?” ” UKARA number what’s that ?” says the father , “I don’t think I have one of those” ”oh” says the Airsoft retailer “in that case sir I’m sorry but I can’t sell you that gun without a UKARA number” ”oh that’s a shame” says the father . 2nd scenario , father and son enter an Airsoft shop , child picks up a RIF and then brakes said RIF . ”oh dear Airsoft retailer” says the father , “my son appears to have broken one of your guns and I don’t have a UKARA number to buy a RIF !” “He’s done what !” says the Airsoft retailer in shock “and you don’t have a UKARA number that allows you to buy a RIF ? Not a problem sir , that’ll be £200 please !” sounds about right ? 😳🤫

Generic M4, Section 5 prohibited firearm, lost the M90 spring, doesn't come with the parts shown, lower specced than the Edge series, £30-£60 more than full retail. But it's beige.

Dibs on derailing this thread into a blind / pre-firing handbag spat.

The walts aren't half out and about eh. Is there summat in the water? Is it an undiscovered side affect of covid or the vaccines? Overpriced, over the limit (I.e. illegal), nae thanks.

The only thing high ROFers are doing is burning through BBs. If it just turns into a spam fest of a wall of plastic then it's not much fun. I'm lucky if I get 10rps on my basic gnooz. And that's just fine for me.

Unlikely but if you decided to recreate the dukes of hazard and slide over the bonnet and then bugger the spring yeah they'll make you pay😁. Those stocks maybe pot metal but it will still take quite slot of applied force to break them.

The sopmod batteries are just old tech and proprietary. two 1300mAh should last you a game day unless you are ridiculously trigger happy. Really how long to charge them depends on what kind of charger you have and if it's set up for Ni-MH batteries so between half an hour to half a day. They should hold charger for quite a while but I prefer to charge the night before a game just in case. Here's a rewiring tutorial to convert to deans https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DVh-lb41RReo&ved=2ahUKEwjtm-LnmJ_1AhUNZcAKHYKNBmsQxa8BegQIBRAE&usg=AOvVaw2lQ4r0oxSOA-8AuYdOR15G. When you get a lipo you'll be wanting a nunchuck style battery and get nothing larger then a 7.4v but with the highest mAh possible(one 2600mAh should last you a day). Measure the dimensions of your sopmod batteries and get a lipo smaller just so it easier to get in and out your gun.

Exactly, bit of a difference between a hard as nails Victorian prison that looks like a medieval fortress & a london hospital built by the wealthy gentry, presumably to cater for their well heeled brethren. But yeah, it's a shame no one can find a similar derelict location on a large scale, far enough from anything to be of interest to developers, feck all seems safe from the greedy bastards.

So that thing is spewing time back into the universe?

Ucap had the use of the Kingston victorian prison in Portsmouth. That was listed and awaiting development for prestigious apartments. We had it for approximately a year. It was a bit of a mess but as everything was built to withstand the wrath of 'wrongly accused'murdering maniacs,we didn't do much damage with our plastic balls 😄😄. I think a hospital would be just what the doctor ordered. 😉 Regards

Reading between the lines "Not got Ukara? Want to frighten a granny? Want to shoot a cat? Well come on down"

Highly unlikely, & looking at the quality of the "chinesium", probably be like trying to weld choclit lol💩

not to mention i ain't so sure that material is weldable.....

Shouldn't have let the laddie play with it then... a harsh lesson in parenting! Idiots. Looking elsewhere £185 seems to be the going rate new. This one's pumped and add on 11 quid postage, it's dearer than a new, functional piece. Dreamers, spivs, walts, charlatans and con-artists, all. As bad as politicians.

Airsoft International Flak 10 😎

LOL, my first ever game was at Electrowerkz, you'd think after that I'd have had the sense to walk away & find a hobby less painful hobby......... 21 years later I'm still here 🥴 After Electrowerkz went did you try Janno's Lewisham site, equally small & exceptionally painful, took a burst up the inner thigh & across the nuts point blank there, had to take a moment to compose myself lol😭🤮

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This arrived surprisingly quickly. It came from the UK rather than China as assumed. Fits incredibly well, really pleased with it. It doesn't affect the optical quality at all. @RostokMcSpoonsmay be interested.

I think musician Peter Gabriel is secretly an airsofter. The give away is a verse from Games without Frontiers "Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching's is blue (usual armband colours) They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu (Lin didn't get any of the objectives) Dressing up in costumes, playing silly games Hiding out in tree-tops shouting out rude names" (Sounds like a typical Sunday skirmish)

There's a wide range of basic small PMR units that can be had for cheap, most are easy to program and should be perfectly usable unless you're skirmishing over several kilometres or in very hilly terrain. Just make sure everyone's on the same frequency etc...

You can get amped ptts to combat this issue, however they are generally not cheap and often for the dual pin boafeng/kenwood plugs. Disco 32 do a range and would imagine JCI comms does something too. One of the nice things about the baofeng is that it's easier/possible to get a wider variety of accessories.

So what is it? ...oh ffs this could go on forever.

You’ve also got to take into consideration, the disassembly and reassembling when upgrading and tweaking ngrs. I’ve stripped out two lowers and two buffer/ receiver extensions. These things are toffee metal. Like I said above, internally keep stock, just change the inner barrel.

https://www.usedairsoft.co.uk/rif-s/gas-powered_1/kwa-skorpion-kz-61-gbb-brand-new-in-box-see-description_i33609 £196 for a broken KWA VZ. 61 The reason for sale is a little unique, though. They say their kid broke it in the shop.

I can now add to this topic with my experience with TM gun - I have also posted here regards to upgrades of that gun. I have TM AK-102 EBB that I was not perfectly happy with - especially the range on it (quite possibly because as I later found out the bucking was torn). After discussing the upgrades with people here and friends outside of this forum I have decided to replace only the barrel with tight bore and fitted prometheus purple bucking and nub. It's almost like completely different gun now - the range is just fantastic on it and as I also using it with .25s the speed of the bb is decent.

For my recoils I have changed the spring, to an M95 which isn't a massive increase, but if you do that and change the barrel for a tightbore and one that is slightly longer you should have a decent fps. Mine are around 335-340 pretty consistently. This way you aren't just wacking in a bigger spring, realistically more powerful springs will break tm recoils quicker than other modern brands (as described above, they are built for power so the gears and piston aren't as strong) but they have been running pretty well for over 5 years each and a lot of use on stock gears and pistons without any major malfunctions. The FPS mentioned is at 0.2, it's obviously lower as I run 0.3s through it normally. I don't think TM recoils are great if you want a reasonably high ROF either and I think regularly people use 11.1's (even with mosfets) and then get annoyed when their upgraded recoil can't cope with it. Doesn't really sound like I am endorsing recoils, I am, they're great, but they aren't some super dupe easy to upgrade by slapping in a higher power spring or massive battery, they're more refined and if treated like it will deliver some fantastic results for quite a while.

I remember playing at a site where they had you sign the same form as the paintballers. I knew this because they hadn't even bothered to change the word paintball to airsoft

Give me ALL THE FUCKING ROF! Actually I've had this very discussion with a couple of teammates (kids mostly) not too long ago. We were chatting about upgrades and they wanted to know what a good RoF was, told them it's around 22 because it still gives plenty of plastic being thrown over there but at the same time you don't empty a magazine in 2 seconds flat. (Unsurprisingly, 22 RPS is what all my guns achieve on 7.4 batteries except for the pdw, which uses a slower motor)

I’m local to that area, and not 100% there are any open that are close! I could be wrong, might be worth checking out RIFTS website and Apocalypse Airsoft in Royston?

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