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Shoot them before they shoot you. Simple really.

If you go home without sore knees and pulled tendons/ligaments you haven't been moving fast enough. Or you just weren't daft enough to play with a fully kitted out Osprey mk4 and still run like you're in a set of trackies

Spend at least £800 on gear to make yourself a complete shadow as you blend seamlessly with the terrain around you. Spend the remaining £200 of your budget on a £150 pistol and a horrendous AEG. Never move from behind a tree and don't run. Occasionally lean out and get shot, but for the most part spend your afternoon complaining other people aren't taking their hits and shouting for your team to 'move up'.

After finding a guide to correct insignia locations for my Aussie service dress, I moved everything around to be spot on. This left a gap between the rank stripes and unit colour patch. I was feeling in need of a pick me up so for a small expenditure I added a marksmanship qualification. £8 from soldier of fortune. I know some people say you shouldn't wear it unless you earned it but since the brass badge has not been used since 1943 (earlier in the UK), I feel there is no risk of anyone thinking I earned it. It's a nice little bit of bling and when doing re-enactment it helps emphasise the different starting ability with firearms between British and Australian recruits in WW2. Most British troops would have never held a gun before, most Australians would have been using them from a young age. It's therefore logical that many Aussies would have been able to pass the marksmanship qualification very easily.

CO2 upgrade set for A&K SVD -2nd Generation () = 1299,- Kč inc. shipping approx £40 - yes, it'll make my SVD raging hot, but i plan to block the flow of CO2 with silver solder and see if I cannot in fact have my cake and fucking eat it...

Woah, ixnay on the patronising there pal, I'm 32 with nearly a decade (so far!) of service myself. So much so I'm actually on R&R mid way through a 9 month op tour right now. Your initial post said NOTHING about tan, which was the one I quoted, but even with that I've seen loads of rifles in various shades of green and even some dark red mixed in, just don't have photos of them.

The MP7 got a nice new addition. SRS Optic.

I think what you meant to type was that you are a perfectly law abiding citizen and would never dream of contradicting the stalwart legislation of our fine nation... Right?

After the first game everyone has to choose whether to keep or remove the tape. Perhaps there's a bit of unspoken tactical tape removal/keeping, but if there's a secret facebook group or something then i'm not in the know hehe! There's definitely a group of local regulars who seem to know each other in day-to-day life and they usually seem to be on same team, but in my mind that's no different to any other group of mates being on same team. There's definately twice as many regular lone-gunmen like myself or triggerhappy for example, and the marshals seem good at splitting regulars between the teams, they ask for show of hands after first game. Last time i went couple weeks back all the regular faces kept the orange tape, but where quickly split between the two teams. I've been switched to other team halfway through the day a few times.

Its just me then. Human nature to think up conspiracy theories when you're getting your ass kicked. :-)

I find a lot of it depends on what weapons you're using. Military tactics seldomly work in cqb. You tend to find your own niche after several skirmishes. I just go with the flow really... as long as you're having fun nothing else matters.

Hard to offer solid tactics, so I'll offer a few common scenarios and their basic principals. Patience is definitely key to successful sneaky bastardry, and this is the best way to shoot more people than you get shot (perhaps often not best to win objectives/points, might have to leave your team to do that while you increase their chances with lots of kills). Also not wasting valuable time to revel in shooting people/ capturing an area when you could be making a decent advantage and many more kills from it. During a game people will develop an idea of what areas are controlled by them and what by the other team. The further away from the front lines you go, the more complacent people get, and a couple corridors/rooms away they'll all just be casually strolling up the the front lines guns pointing at the floor, unless they're new to the site and don't know where they are lol. It's better to keep sneaking further behind the lines and clear a whole room of people than move parallel and only get a couple. So after you get past the front line you're free to rush around more, as your unlikely to encounter someone waiting for you/camping a doorway etc, just unprepared strollers. In this manner if you can defeat/sneak-past/let-go-past-you an initial group to get past the front-line, you can then shoot lots of people guns down strolling up to it while you dash through to another section of the front-line and shoot them all in the back because no-one's covering the door/direction their team is coming from. To achieve you might have to let people pass you while hidden in a corner etc. But again patience is key, if you hear someone coming, why pop out and engage them (and probably get them due to surprise) when you can let them and their team-mates pass and shoot all 3 in the back. Then if you can dash through to where they came from before they start walking back, their team won't have seen it happen so wont be expecting enemy coming through where they just saw their team push into. It's all a judgement call based on whether you have space/time/opportunity. Gun ho tactics are best used when there's a corridor stalemate or similar. You'll probably get shot more than you shoot in these situations, but the sooner this stalemate is resolved by one team pushing more than the other, the sooner you can get back to being a sneaky bastard. One point I'll make is about the 'casual strollers' is this is in my experience when people cheat the most in airsoft. If someones strolling up to the front line in a zone they consider their teams/safe and they feel a hit, their first assumption isn't going to be 'oh my god the other teams pushed forward this far', it'll be 'oh god some muppet on my team who doesn't know where they are has shot me, i'll ignore it'. I've found it's 50/50 at best to whether they'll take the hit without you having to point yourself out to them. I've lost count of the number of times the opp has responded with 'wtf are you doing' or 'i'm on your team' and me have to say 'i'm shooting you, i'm on the green team' or 'no we're not, I'm green and you're dead'. A best-case scenario is someone taking the hit but not realizing it was you or you're on the opp team and storming back to respawn muttering about team-killers, as that wont spoke the rest of them. To me it seems like the CQB equivalent of the common woe of snipers in woodland skirmish. I have the luxury of a site where there's many available routes and much potential for flanking, I'm not sure what it's like at strike-force but might be a bit linear/square from the looks of it, and much harder to get past the 'front'line'. So yeah, basically try be patient and maximize the potential for shooting lots of people in a sneaky/cowardly fashion, rather than spend your advantage on shooting one/two in a fair fight. As you can imagine I am much loved for such tactics at my local CQB site, and the average airsofter is mature enough to not get emotionally frustrated about being shot in the back a dozen dif times, certainly not to the point where they'll bitch or even make false claims of having hit you when they do finally get a 1vs1 fair opportunity (which you gotta agree to as why not give the guy something to keep their ego balanced, unless they're well rude, then they can go f*ck themselves and waste a marshals time following me around for a game if they really feel the need)

For me, it's always to move faster than the enemy expects you to move. Of a flank is opened up for a moment, get behind the bad guys before they realise. I shoot more people in the back than the front in cqb

green painted MP7: looks ok to me!

Yes, we get it. you'd rather everyone played airsoft in shorts and tee shirt so then everyone would always feel their hits. The rest of us just aim for legs or head or arms instead when someone's 'not hearing' the BBs hitting their kit.

Finally got my cupboard finished, just about holds everything I need and fits discreetly into my utility room up high locked away from the little ones!

Just my thoughts on tactics: 1. Tuck your elbows/knees/feet in when behind cover. I've scored a lot of kills shooting these areas as people don't get fully into cover. 2. Always follow a grenade into the room. The enemy will scarper on seeing the grenade come in leaving you with the opportunity to cut them down or mop up anyone smart enough to get in cover. Throwing in a grenade without following it gains no tactical advantage as you're not gaining ground and allows the enemy to reinforce that area. 3. Avoid bottlenecks/choke points unless you're defending. Even then be wary of the attackers finding a different way around. 4. Keep noise down to a minimum. If you're engaging someone or a group who you think are on your side just have one person shout to find out. That way if it's an enemy they don't work out how many of you are there and if it's a friendly then they will hear you easier. It becomes a right cluster f*** when you have two groups shouting "We're red!" at each other and neither can hear the other because everyone's shouting. 5. Keep moving. Even in a fall back game when you're on the defence. If you stay in one spot the enemy will pick up on that and gun you down. Even by simply switching to the other side of the corridor is sometimes enough to keep them guessing. Especially if you do it after every kill. 6. Actions speak louder than words. Rather than shout "push up!" like everyone else, actually do it. Unless it's a bloody ridiculous thing to do (like rushing a choke point on your own).

My tactic is - I'm shit and will get owned in a fair 1 on 1 so I work out where enemy players are then get behind them rush up as fast as I can to take as many as possible by surprise then run away before reinforcements come, repeat. Or my local site has a great room were you can see the two ways in without the opposing team seeing you and no one bothers looking left/right so double tap to the side every time. Wear full black kit with a climbing harness and abseil down into windows shoot everyone get shot in the leg a million times, don't call it and carry on

Please please can I put the VFC 417 GBB thats on sale on here in this thread. Its up for the bargain price of £650 (it was £700 earlier).

You're welcome. And er, welcome to the forums too.

Thanks for your help guys, I want to join the police when I'm older, so i'll stick with safe not sorry. Thanks

Hey, if the laws made sense, it wouldn't feel like home

But that's what you pay for! Can sit at home dressed in camo, stroking a gun while not getting shot for free! Actually when i think about it is probably how most airsoft related time is spent by the majority, i retract my statement

Ok so tactics DONT GET SHOT.

During my last game down in the UCAP Bunker a group of us were stacked up ready to move into another corridor when one of the enemy team calmly walked from behind and doubled tapped the line of us all with a pistol. Beautiful move, we did not know he was there until hit by which time it was too late. I learnt to check my 6 more often after that incident, although in the dark you can walk past someone and not notice them (as I found out later when knife killed). It also made me think that playing a game with just pistol and stealth could be fun.

Total opposite I rush everything and go as aggressive as possible in CQB.Works for me and if you can get a couple of players to go the same you can really change a game. One player can clear a room if you do it right.

I found the same, being in possession of a firearm cert doesn't mean one can buy a toy gun. But that's our backward country for you !

I would have thought they would have been available over there... Like Grover said though, couldnt you just spray the ends of all of them orange as a temp solution? Or better yet use Orange insulation tape (Or painted masking tape) etc??

Does anyone else notice that regulars at the Mall tend to be on the green team... or is it just me?

Spare room on the desk luckily missus isn't to fussed by em and have no kids. The only annoying this is one of cats sleeps on them hahaha the other hates em. I do want a rack or cupboard of some sort so my friends and her friends don't think I'm some crazed lunatic

Slabs of flat black stand out nicely in most environments. Amongst the military units where painting of weapons is allowed, doing so is common place for the exact same reasons they all wear camouflage uniforms and plate carriers/pouches etc. Desert-y type paint jobs are the most common by far, which shouldn't be any surprise to anyone because all the US/UK/other ISAF SF types have been fighting in Iraq and Afghan constantly for well over a decade. All seems very obvious to me.

Yeah the ones done well look tidy, the ones that are just some gash from call of duty look like shit.

because the VCRA initially just outlawed the sale of RIFs altogether, it was only after consultation that they added in the specific defence against prosecution for skirmishers. It's a really badly written bit of legislation that's full of holes and inconsistencies, I expect whichever work experience kid or mumsnet forum wrote it just didn't think "these guys have real guns already, will BB guns make any difference?!".

Ummmmm As a g36c owner, I use the m4 mag adapter with m4 mags & so far I've had no issues I use king arms mags in all my rifles just because when I use the G36, I don't have to have separate mags

Wow I remember this! Wasn't it that dude who went in for a grenade and it blew up and the door shttered!? That was crazy but an awesome day

I'm sad I had to leave The Mall behind, I'm ruined for CQB forever now . I will still wear my AFUK patches here in the U.S., and over Christmas I'll be back (no genesis reference). Trigger, we may need a redo of your friendly little game... . I've gotten a few new tricks up my sleeve that enemies may not appreciate.

Having the same issue with a hicap pmag in my Raider. Guess I'll give this a shot!

Actually no we wont.I have no issue with personal choice on how things look I think its great when people wear fancy dress and unique garb. My problem with that stuff is its all hard shell protective stuff which is a joke in airsoft. I have seem some people roll up looking like armour plated gimps and you spend all day getting wound up by them not feeling hits. None hit taking is one of the biggest problems with airsoft and I am pretty sure that most of the time its not malicious just the amount of gear getting in the way.

Sounds a lot like wearing a plate carrier vs not wearing one.

Not to burst any bubbles, but what 'looks coolest' is totally subjective on every level, every single person has different opinions on that. I can't see how a thread themed around that concept would work.

Once again gents all your advice is most welcome In the mean time I picked this up for £4 just to get me started http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201416845984?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Still think pouches on my belt might be the best option but for £4 I couldn't resist

Granted all my rifles are the bog standard black (apart from my sa80) but to break them up a bit, I use dark earth rail ladders & put them on all unused rails, i've also put them on my g36c to cover unused rails as for me personsly, I don't like the rails unused but it also covers any light damage caused

Nice eyepros.. http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Elegant-Metal-Mesh-Protective-Mask-Half-Face-Tactical-Airsoft-Military-MaskL-/261952165673?var&hash=item3cfd90d729&autorefresh=true

Bought a bargin of the centry! After the "where do you keep your guns" thread i decided that in a gun bag on the floor was a waste. Bought an ex police 2 door locker. Is loads of room, two seprate lockers with hanging rails and a top shelf and loads of room for guns.........£10!

Unfortunately the rules are you need to have a gap of more than 2 months between your first and last game. Generally it's going to be easier to get them done at the same site, but if you present a 'stamped' UKARA form to another site they should let you complete it there instead as there's nothing in the UKARA terms to suggest the same site must be used those 3 times - just that they all be registered.

first try with the kydex mag pouches, very happy with them, only had one fall out, and that was from a running jump/fall, planning to use either velcro or elastic to prevent it next time.

Thanks for all the congrats guys, certainly been quite stressful already, the housing market round here is CRAZY! No armoury as such but I'm looking at turning the end of the garage into an area for guns and airbrushing. The weird part about it is that the house we're in now (whilst it's in the middle of a shitty council estate) has got quite big rooms so we're effectively paying more money to downsize albeit into a much nicer area and a semi instead of a mid terrace.

bits n bobs this week included some clone B6 chargers (must get these clones calibrated - genuine ones are fine out of box) nearly bought a couple of cheap of old laptop psu's which should of worked @ £4:50 del http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-IBM-Lenovo-Thinkpad-08K8203-72W-16V-4-5A-Power-AC-Adapter-Laptop-Charger-/400423702601?hash=item5d3b1cd049 with lead and 2.5/5.5mm plug - sounds a bargain for £4:50 16v 4.5amp (yeah it should be 5amp but I don't wish to boost charge at 5c) anyway - ended up buying a lot of universal laptop chargers at about half that price so 4 clone B6's and 8 uni psu's - £57 delivered But HobbyKing (EU store - UK is more expensive btw) have genuine B6's at about £18 + shipping (psu still required) so that is a lot cheaper than many other places - alas saw that after I bought clones (4 for £40) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4pcs-IMax-B6-Digital-LCD-LiIon-LiPo-LiFe-NiMh-battery-Balance-Charger-UK-/200976394796?hash=item2ecb206a2c NOTE - these are clones, so read up about recalibrating them to maintain accuracy to prevent under/over charging next up - a few fire extinguishers for when I start using them

So here is my loadout as it stands currently So the kit is Viper FAST ballistic style helmet Guarder 2014 protection glasses Viper Face guard OPS multicam black shirt OPS multicam black trousers OPS light multicam black plate carrier KSJ Sig 226 with 2 mags and Nuprol nx300 light ( run on nuprol green or red gas ) Amoeba M4 tactical pistol with surefire m92v light and Acog Red dot This is just the start and will be enhanced and upgraded as soon as

And he's asking for money for postage....