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If it's capable of full auto at 1.5j then it wouldn't just be a wankergun, it'd be a section 5 firearm. I get where you're coming from though, the problem isn't the gun but the flesh coloured squishy bit attached to it. Unfortunately though while many sites will talk the talk about zero tolerance to cheats and cuntish behaviour, not so many actually walk the walk and deal with them, especially if the wanker in question is a regular Definitely. There are many ways to improve your game, whether it's trying out new tactics or improving your fieldcraft, without having to do upgrades to your gun I'd put the blame there on the site. The gun should've been chrono'd before being allowed onto the field. It's not about not liking to be shot but not liking to be shot more than necessary. It only takes 1 bb to get a hit so (assuming all are calling their hits) dumping 20+ shots into someone in half a second is just being a cunt.

Finally finished

They're only rated to 0.86 J. Not sure I'd be recommending them for airsoft.

And one of my locals has sodded off "DMRs" (i.e. anything over 1.2J and not bolt action). You also have to play once with something <1.2J before being OK to use a bolt action over 1.2J - and even then, it's an "ask first". 30 RPS limit, 0.46g limit for snipers, 0.34g for everything else, 25m minimum range for auto (rather than the more typical 10 or so). https://www.playersofwar.co.uk/site-rules I am fully on board with setting limits like this, and the site is booked solid every game day so it's not harming them.

Very nice but the cost of copper pipe now would make that a pipe dream🤦 Regards

Don't forget you're also paying for the skills of the master craftsman who put it together 😉

I'll stick with my cut up pallet and scrap wood gun rack £250 for a pistol that doesn't work? Surely that's Mack's material

Narrow face, you say....? You made me hide behind the sofa, so many times! And... You have no ears, glasses won't work, better get goggles

Utter bollocks. Getting shot at is part of the game; getting hosed at 5m by some Monstered up twat with his 40 RPS wankergun is not. It has fuck all to do with softness or hardness and everything to do with respecting other players.

Well it arrived today. Made by ASGK and also branded by Yonezawa Japan - 1987 Single fire and its 100% plastic, takes about 50 beebs fed into the mag tube underneath sadly it’s missing a cap to stop them rolling out Fires .25’s about 6m 😂 Im determined to get a kill with it next game day Its tiny!! Aps Cam870 for scale

Maybe cheater is the wrong word but there are definitely some who see a player with a hpa set up and automatically assume the person is going to be fiddling with the regulator or over killing. Don't get me wrong, I've met quite a few dickheads with HPA guns but I've also met HPA players who are really stand up players. Imo the stigma comes from the fact that its easier for someone to act like a cunt with hpa than an aeg as turning an allen key or spanner doesn't involve the teching skills that building a similar performing aeg does This. As with many things in life, the problems are caused by the flesh coloured squishy bit

Looks like I picked the wrong night to quit being a clever dick.

Couple more squint a bit cloners

I would indeed consider that to be a small pile of unrelated and likely incompatible and possibly incomplete spare parts, and value it accordingly. That's dreaming at malarial fever levels.

There is no finer reason. My concern - and won't somebody think of the children! - is that stuff that's built by sensible sorts then gets sold on to fund the next project. And even if you sell to a carefully vetted vet, you can't control where it goes two or three owners down the line. I'd rather that sort of toy just didn't exist at all, lest it end up in the hands of Mr No-Full-Auto-In-Buildings-Bro.

I'm so annoyed that I looked at this exact guitar stand, for my guitars... And completely failed to put 212 and 347 together to make 559 and buy one for my guns. I can only conclude I must be an idiot

What do you call a woman who is a bell? Isabelle.

Building this for a pal ( not keen on the grips but all we had to hand )

Price, for the most part. I don't use ZCI barrels anymore (all my guns have weird barrel lengths now) but when I did, they were fine, maybe not really suited for high ROF guns because of the small inner diametre (6.02 is on the edge of being too tight for me) I was one of the first to jump on the MR-Hop bandwagon and while the range increase was nice, I was (read am) getting way more consistency with Super Macarons, at the cost of a couple of metres less range than the MR. Also the MR needs a wide hop window to perform which is something you get only from a handful of barrel manufacturers unless you're confident in taking a dremel to your inner barrel. Flat hops are old technology and while they were cool at the time, nowadays they're not worth the hassle of removing material from the hop rubber compared to a €8 ML rubber. It's genuinely hard to tell. For me it's about the "softness" of people who don't like to be shot at (which kinda defies the whole point of playing Airsoft in the first place). While I may agree that being peppered by a 40 RPS gun at close range gets old fast, but it's the user who needs to be limited, not the gun. All my AEGs bar one can do well over 30 RPS with 11.1v batteries but I use them with 7.4s because I have durability in mind and a gun that runs well at silly high ROFs will wear down much less at "human" ROFs (yup, I mostly use full auto). The only form of "respect" in airsoft is to call your fucking hits.

They are reasonably easily available, are a decent price and decent quality; what is not to like? Having tried both, I agree that the MR Hop gives slightly longer range; however the Macaron gives significantly better consistency at a slightly shorter range. Of the two, I will take consistency over a good range over inconsistency over a slightly greater range any day. Why bother when Maple Leaf rubbers and nubs are easily available? There are other ways of getting excellent trigger response than building a stupidly fast gun. While there are a few players in the UK who seem to delight in hurting other players (Wanking Cumstain for one), many more seem to respect other players and regard very high speed builds as being somewhat unsporting and ungentlemanly. I cannot remember when I last used full auto in a game; I also play at a couple of sites that have a 30m minimum engagement distance for full auto, Luke is a windup merchant who loves trolling and has stated that there is one inaccuracy in each of his videos; however, he is also a very good tech who builds some impressive guns and has creative approaches to solving problems. I don't agree with him on everything and his comments on the Ares L1A1 are odd; yes, it has significant issues and is a pain in the arse, but some of the things that he mentions are just not accurate in my experience. One difference that I have noticed between UK and US airsoft in general, and I have to point out that this is based solely on YouTube videos, is that some of your countrymen seem to suffer from a toxic combination of taking it far too seriously and possessing the maturity of a two year old. I would also point out that, by virtue of this being a forum, the denizens are probably not a representative cross section of the UK airsoft community. The cool kids generally do not use forums and lurk on various new fangled social media platforms. I suspect that the average age here is higher than that of UK players overall, the level of experience is greater and there is a more considered, informed and reflective approach.

Wot only one 😜

Only HPA guns I have are a bolt action sniper rifle and a semi-auto m21 build (so... another sniper rifle). Not all HPA users are spammy wankers, and not all spammy wankers are HPA users.

XT60 is way OTT for airsoft mate, stick with Deans connectors, they have a good electrical contact, and are easy as hell to solder on. XT60 are great connectors but they are really designed for much higher amperage uses and if you aren't a soldering legend, you can melt them very easily.

Hpa is quite common over here. You're right about hpa set ups being an easy route to getting a wankergun and that's probably why it has a bit of a bad rep. For example there's one person on here who seems to think hpa automatically equals cheater

It's a tough one. Most experienced Airsofters knows that ARES OEM's these, and recent Negative Airsoft videos have not been complimentary at all towards Rapax. A good rule of thumb to start with would be around 60% of current retail - so that's what... around £360ish for the Gun + Mags?

Tried XT60s - but found them too chonky for some applications. XT30s work well, but the reality is that Airsoft has settled on Deans as the upgrade path from mini Tamiyas, with loads of RIFs, LiPos and ETUs/Mosfets fitted with them from the factory, so I finally admitted defeat and switched exclusively to Deans for airsoft a few years ago. Still use XT60/30s on my RC stuff though.

This is an extremely valid reason. The one consolation is that once you get past 45 RPS parts tend to wear a lot faster, and without skillful maintenance can easily grenade themselves, since you're so close to PME. Any kind of compression jam and your gearbox goes kaput. Definitely something to think about, especially in the USA where it's not crazily uncommon to see builds pushing 60 RPS up for sale. Not that this lessens my own responsibility, but I will point out that anyone can buy a Polarstar and achieve much the same thing. Maybe not 70 RPS, but you can push 50 without real trouble. I'm not sure how prevalent HPA is in the UK, but it's very common at certain site here to see "kids" (13-16 yo wankuhs) with serious HPA setups, as I'm sure y'all know from the YouTube crap. Thankfully that doesn't go on at most fields.

Flat/R hopping was all the rage here like 10 years ago when I first started people were wanking themselves silly over it, it was too much effort back then and its too much effort now when a good maple leaf rubber and omega nub achieve the same results The biggest difference between UK and US airsoft is you dont get stuff like this happening here Also see wankergun/wankergunner High RPS is for people who cant aim and have no skill.

I can't believe it's been 3 hours and nobody made an Airplane reference

Ooohhh. They must be a different set to my last pair... Thanks for the heads up.

Agreed. 0.86J is roughly 305fps with a .2g bb so definitely not safe for airsoft

Here's mine, all metal, m906c with a more classic look Just £189 https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/double-eagle-m906c-ar15-rifle-with-falcon-system-in-black.html

Some sites do, at least for part of the year because it gets hard to use them and observe their MEDs. I'm not talking about CQB sites either, I know that Gunman do it at Eversley Alpha for the summer months and that's a woodland site, since the ferns grow quite high. It's entirely possible to use a 2.3J sniper rifle and be effective during the summer, but they ban them because too many people are crap at doing so. Doesn't matter to me, I run my bolt actions at 1.1J for the mostpart, because my local site doesn't have long sight lines, even during the winter. I'll run them at 2.3J if I'm going to an event away from my home site and I reckon I'll get use out of the extra power, like at AI500 last month.

There are a couple frequent players that I learn something new from almost every time I play with them. I'll camp a corner or hold down a lane, and they'll use a creative method or strategy to take me out, and then I get to copy their tactics and apply it to the next guy. 🙂 On the subject of "wankerguns" and "wankermen"... No reason to prohibit "wankerguns" as long as rules are applied. If we prohibit guns that are capable of hurting people more than others, then we should also ban anything higher than base joule limits. It wouldn't be much fun if we banned all snipers just because they're capable of hurting people more when used in violation of their MEDs. I recently put together a 70 RPS DSG that shoots at 1.5J, which is normal rifleman FPS for the USA but would be considered a DMR at many of y'all's UK sites, if not all of them. So I basically have a 70 RPS DMR, which is a wankergun by any definition. I built it to see if I could do it, and to have some fun with extreme trigger response, not to full auto people in the rear ends. I once had a fellow DSG tech comment that the only time you should hear DSG full auto at a field is in the staging area as a tech flex, and I agree with that approach. Sure you can semi-spam, but even with 70 RPS available I can't spam faster than a 20 RPS stock gun can full auto. maybe with a blade trigger setup, but who uses those outdoors? Wankermen, on the other hand... Any idiot with a stock gun can hurt someone or ruin a game shooting someone under MED, especially in the USA where guns can come pretty hot out of the box (a lot of JG rifles will do up to 1.7J OOTB). Any idiot can also have a tech build a high FPS gun and do their best Dicking Crustang impression. The best way I've found to deal with Wankermen is to simply outplay them. Most often they're not very good, and are merely hiding behind a tough persona or the ability to send waves of BBs down field. Playing smarter will net you more wins than shooting faster. If you don't like the players at a site, then leave. The point is to have fun, not to win, and if you're not having fun you're not doing any good being there. (this is a note to myself, as I can definitely get a little hotheaded and technical about rules when I feel things are unfair) Honestly the most dangerous players, in my experience, are noobs. They may be fine people, but they tend to have low awareness of rules, field respect, what you do and don't, etc. QC spring guides are also dangerous--I played with a very stupid, very innocent new player who'd put an M150 into his stock Lancer and not known he had to chronograph. We only figured out what was going on after his BBs were chipping the cinderblocks some players were hiding behind. Complete idiot. He wasn't being malicious, but he was still dangerous. And his gearbox promptly crapped itself. As expected. Problem solved. The best barrel I've found for the MR.Hop are TNT barrels. Conveniently, TNT barrels are also overpriced by a huge margin. 😂 Lambda, which are not overpriced, do fit them well though. I have a couple of Prommy barrels sitting around right now, so I could probably test that out. I'm out of town at the moment though so don't expect instant results...

No, you hang up first. [giggles]

Pic of my TM MP7A1 GBB, just beofre i broke it 😭 Did you do the stubbling on the Glock 19x yourself ?

eBay review = US = M120 spring = no overspin. How am I doing? If you're running the M90 that goes in the UK market ones, you'll want to up-spring, use 7.4V, or fit an active-brake mosfet.

Looks great. I done the same many years ago to a novak 1911 with vfc tac light. Looked amazing.

You'd be amazed what guitarists will buy if you tell them it'll improve their tone.

Yup, bloody good day! For the record @Smiling-Dutchmanis a good player! Takes his hits and plays intelligently, but with a good sense of fun. The last game was stick in the mud. They often do silly little short games like that at the end of the day, that's a good one. The one time we tried it on full auto... ouch. Thanks again for shooting me in the nipple ring 🤣 Had a personal best yesterday. In one game mode I set up in a good sniping spot with my DMR, got 6 definite kills and a few "Did I get that guy or did someome else?", with 0 deaths throughout the game, while holding an objective point. I'm sure others here have done better, but I've not managed a K/D ratio that clean before.

High ROF outdoor is the same when someone spams the trigger on semi indoor because of lack of skill. Assuming almost everyone calls their hits in this hobby no one needs to peppered. Overshooting or overkilling is always pointless in my opinion and extremely annoying when you're on the receiving end. Getting shot is a natural part of this game but that doesn't mean people should get carried away just because they've got ego problems or they have to compansate for their mundane life.

But why would you have a wankergun unless you intend to be a wankergunner. The only people I'd trust not to are you and me, and I'm not so sure about you.

Honestly just forget about doing anything at all, it doesn't matter once its in your hands, the defence is to buy, owning it doesn’t break any laws , if you’ve bought it and its not two tone then your not going to have a firearms team storm your home over it, as long as your not a dickhead and go waving it around down the street that is

Personally I'd write off the chance of getting your pistol back, chalk it down to experience & life lessons, & be more focused on finding a new gf & mum in law, as the ones you've got sound like a liability & definitely not "keepers" 😏

Do you have any evidence to back this up, eg a receipt? This would help prove it's yours

Hey it’ll be upgraded by their “super tech” who can tell how well shimmed an AEG is by shaking it

I don't think I've seen an opinion on the Cybergun M4s on this forum (at least not recent enough for my dodgy memory to recall) (Mustn't mention Double Eagles) Is it just the Cybergun's that you have a coupon code for? If you're mentioning Euros then presumably you're somewhere European, are you looking at a specific retailer's site? (Must not mention Double Eagles) I googled the Hawkeye, that does look the best of 'em, just because it's got a MOSFET so you can run 11.1v batteries if you want. And full metal handguards are good, if you don't mind the small amount of extra weight Any other guns take your fancy? (Must definitely not mention Double Eagles at all) Phew, a whole post about M4s and I didn't mention Double Eagles once! That's some sort of personal record!

Don't know the make but if it fits in the available space 👍 I would go with this one: https://hobbyking.com/en_us/turnigy-nano-tech-2000mah-2s-15-30c-lipo-airsoft-pack-t-connector.html?queryID=391e544be715b5db4e15fcd1971135d6&objectID=47513&indexName=hbk_live_products_analytics Or https://www.vapextech.co.uk/airsoft-7-4v-2600mah-25c-lipo-cranstock-battery-with-case-lp305-vapextech