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The origin of the word camouflage comes from the French to disguise. This still envelopes the military use, which is more than just hiding something to be unseen - it’s actually more about disguising what you do see as opposed to not being seen - especially to be seen but not noticed. WW1 dazzle camouflage is a perfect illustration that camouflage isn’t about avoiding being seen but to disguise what you see and delay/prevent your opposition from being able to quickly identify what has been seen and to delay the understanding of its size, distance, direction, speed etc A ghillie might hit the sweet spot of being invisible, but being harder to notice, identify and understand the body shape is a success for the ghillied player. The enemy of the ghillie is movement, and equally the enemy of the player in jeans & hoody is movement We notice movement, then we interpret whether that thing that just moved is a threat or not. That buys time for the quiet player5 points
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What have you just 3d printed (for airsoft)
rj1986 and 3 others reacted to mightyjebus for a topic
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I am fully aware of whom you speak of. This particular player often uses his disabilities to try to win arguements and get his own way. Has been banned from multiple sights for safety issues and uses legal action threats constantly. It's not discrimination as this individual has literally been given chance after chance before being banned. And other player would have been automatically removed and banned without hesitation. If anything they were given more leeway due to their existing conditions. My brother has similar disabilities and I won't bring him along to matches due to his lack of control if he becomes triggered. Safety is priority especially when you can lose an eye and those Airsoft weapons are often heavy enough to knock someone out with.4 points
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The ghillie discussion
Nick G and 3 others reacted to Mad dog 49 for a topic
I've crafted my own "ghillie". I put it in inverted commas because it's not a full suit with the trousers and all that malarkey, it's just a viper mesh jacket that covers head, shoulders and down my back. I made a rifle wrap to match and realistically that's all I really need to cover up if I pick my spot to hide properly. I only wear it when I've got my BASR in my mitts. I take it off to run anything else because, well, its just not sporting. As others have said, rentals won't get what us happening to them or appreciate the skill that a good sniper has employed to brass them up without being seen.....then again, the majority of ghillie wearers I have met on a casual skirmish day are utterly clueless about actual stealth and think they are fucking Batfink, "your plastic balls cannot harm me, my leaves are like a shield of steel!" kind of thing. I think ghillie is for BASR only, just my twopenneth. Thinking about an alternative that let's anyone use a ghillie. A ghillie wearer, not using a BASR is required to shout "Nee" once every 30 seconds.....and if there are two of them working as a team, one has to be slightly higher than the other to create a nice little two level effect to the shrubbery.4 points -
The ghillie discussion
Leo Greer and 2 others reacted to Cannonfodder for a topic
I can see where you're coming from but it's also the prerogative of anyone who isn't in-game to make it clear, whether that's by a hand in the air, dead rags or shouts of "dead man walking". Not doing these tells me the player is a legitimate target3 points -
The ghillie discussion
Cannonfodder and 2 others reacted to Tommikka for a topic
I’m with you on ‘dead man walking’ As long as you aren’t actually cheating (hand up to walk through as a dead player then shooting), and in line with event rules then it’s valid (I also encourage those willing to risk it in my game rules) If in doubt challenge / shoot. If it’s a problem then adopt clear systems such as dead rags (but this is another thread diversion with an often argued topic) It doesn’t, and is now deceased, following the great lightning strike fire of Ironsight Our turret was an event prop/objective, not for players to turn up and use but for players to try and pass or defeat It did have a variety of disablement systems - for safety purposes as a kill switch system, and player activated controls to ‘kill’ it As seen on TV, and an upcoming card game Solaco RIP The ‘intelligence’ of AI are highly exaggerated It has its uses, but many more limitations3 points -
The ghillie discussion
Jaylordofwaargh and 2 others reacted to Tackle for a topic
Surely to a lesser degree, every m4 boxmag dsg wanker is doing the same, trying to get an unfair (?) advantage by essentially trying to put down 2 or 3 times the bbs downrange against their opponents, all elements of realism are lost, as similar rof chainguns aren't commonplace on the infantry battlefield, yet walk on days are full of dsg wankers😜 Edit: what if said dsg jizzbucket turned up at a site & at the chrono the rof was also checked, & the Marshall says "nah sorry mate, your doing more than 18rps, it's a wankergun, you can only use it with lo-caps, & if you've got none,we'll rent you some we've got here, but they are painted yellow" 🤣 Definitely food for thought😈3 points -
That's another hotly debated topic as some people consider it cheating. Personally, if I see someone walking nonchalantly and their hand isn't in the air, they're getting a shot to the plate carrier. One of my friends is really good at doing this, walking nonchalantly with his rifle in hand past the enemy team and then shooting them in the back, and it's something we do at Vietnam filmsims as well, but with a hidden pistol tucked into the trousers and no rifle in hand. "No VC, civilian, civilian!" *blam blam blam*3 points
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I Don't Know Your Site Layout
John_W and 2 others reacted to #blackadder for a topic
Thats not a kiddies slide its an Emergency Rapid Egress System .😔3 points -
Okay, so controversial topic. I'm assuming this persons disability is something like ASC (not allowed refer to it as a spectrum now, which in itself is silly as there's a clear difference between functioning and non functioning imho) Anywho, the biggest disservice believe it or not for those with ASC that you can do, is to treat them any different than regular folk. (Applies to what we would call functioning ones) So, this person had to be shown that what they did was wrong and banning them because of their actions puts people at risk is fair and reasonable. It's not discrimination to do. In terms of other disabilities - well, last year at driver wood there was a guy in a wheel chair (running) an LMG and other than the poor bastard getting overshot because he cant both keep hand in the air and wheel himself back to spawn. Airsofters will generally accept every one due to one simple reason. Don't matter what you look like, what you believe in, or what's wrong with you.....we will happily shoot you without hesitation.3 points
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And thats fine, if its advertised as that. I would have paid it just to have the online badge but thats not what was offered. I pay the same amount to be a subscribing member of a motorbike forum that gives you acces to a particular section of the site. Im on here much, much more than that one but its fine because they were upfront from the beginning. It's not about the actual patch anymore, its the principal. We've been offered a product, paid in good faith, then completely ignored numerous times. Maybe the buy a patch page needs changing to say that your only getting an online patch and the money goes to the site upkeep. Good effort at trying to placate me with the idea of being one of the cool kids though! 😁2 points
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Upgrading my first AEG
Cannonfodder and one other reacted to Dan Robinson for a topic
You'll need to aim for 310fps for .25s. Otherwise your gun will be too spicy.2 points -
The ghillie discussion
Leo Greer and one other reacted to Colin Allen for a topic
Agreed! If you aren't making it clear you are out of the game, you get shot.2 points -
Macks airsoft dreamers of the week thread
K-Pop_Fan_4Life and one other reacted to Amokura for a topic
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Airsoft-Forum Patch Poll
Skullchewer and one other reacted to DanBow for a topic
I, and others, have poked a fair few times but tagging them and direct messages just get ignored. When a mod, that has taken your money, ignores any request for updates you're left with nothing else ypu can do! Maybe file a claim with paypal!2 points -
The ghillie discussion
Pseudotectonic and one other reacted to Cannonfodder for a topic
As for AI sentry guns There was also a trial of facial recognition software done years ago by HOSDB. From what I heard it went almost just as badly with a high number of misses and false positives As for players nonchalantly walking into other teams lines, I wouldn't call a lack of situational awareness cheating2 points -
Spends the mag in under 2 seconds, but it makes everyone nearby jump out of their skin 😂2 points
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Okay, but *apart* from the recoil shocks, magnetic fire control in the MP5, MWS system, gas AK's, gas semi auto saiga, new pistols, electric shotguns, recoil MK46, sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? Yes, this isn't a new gun. It's a refresh. Plenty of other threads people say "JG/CYMA have mosfets and Marui don't". Marui refresh to bring them in and then "They're not innovating"? Combined with "I'll wait for the clone to come out" seems hard for them to win.2 points
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That's the even bigger fear really isn't it - a rental turning up, getting hosed by a rhododendron repeatedly seconds after respawning then just heading home and never bothering again.2 points
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"So yeah.. red team will start by the zombie infection site zero laboratory.. yellow team up in the North East by the Wehrmacht bunker complex. After proceeding through the graveyard that's underneath the medieval fort, the attackers' spawn will then move along to the missile launcher trench complex. Once they've taken the CQB windmill they can then plant their bombs in the Vietnam ambush valley, but watch out for reinforcements from death ridge! Oh and naturally when crossing the Bridge by the fuel depot you can snipe down from the bus as long as the fence line that borders the farmer's field is free of cows and sheep today. Never forgetting the SUPER VISIBLE fishing line boundary marking that runs from grid square echo charlie and through the woods over to firebase Potato". ... Personally I can barely remember the last time I played the same site twice on the bounce. I'm also pretty sure that almost every single game ever played on a commercial site has always had at least a portion of first timers and/or pretty new players. I don't know, maybe my navigation and layout memorisation abilities are rubbish, but I wish game briefs didn't always sound like this.1 point
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Tell Us a Gag. Please!
Tactical Pith Helmet reacted to Shamal for a topic
Money saving tip : Instead of buying a coffin just order a pen from Amazon and use the box it comes in!1 point -
WE L85A2 Parts
gavinkempsell reacted to Nick G for a topic
If you post up a pic of the location fo the screws you are missing I can have a look at mine and see what length etc the bolts are , should be easy enough to find.1 point -
WE L85A2 Parts
JinxDuh reacted to gavinkempsell for a topic
It was sold before I had even got home from work, I saw it completed & cried. you now know where there's a good home for it if you ever want to move it on.1 point -
dad wont let me own an airsoft gone (read post please)
JinxDuh reacted to Dan Robinson for a topic
You're probably right - OP hasn't been back since his opening. So either he's been grounded until the next Eclipse, or he was on a wind up. Still we should give the benefit of the doubt sometimes.1 point -
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The ghillie discussion
Dan Robinson reacted to Tommikka for a topic
There is ….. These are intended to avoid facial recognition on CCTV etc, and are therefore also a form of camouflage. When we had our automated sentry gun, it would always prefer to aim at my head during testing, setting up etc. When browsing the the AIs reference pictures we observed two things: 1) The torso presented the largest and most obvious target, but images captured in the tracking sequences were sometimes inconsistent, our conclusion was that though MTP/multicam is lighter in contrast to the UKs woodland, the disruptive pattern broke up the human shape and though movement was clearly visible prediction of where that movement was going became inconsistent. The head was a more consistent shape, and the human body tries to keep the head steady when moving, making tracking and prediction more accurate 2) We realised that the AI still had its initial reference images from the first test runs with a football, heads are close enough to a ball shape and moved in similar trajectories (less the bouncing) With two or three targets the system could predict and switch back and forth between where each of the heads would be by the time the barrel switched back On a camouflage perspective for players, we might see a player but we still need to recognise, assess the threat and predict where it will be. A moving target is easier to see, but we have to guess where to shoot A stationary target may not be so obvious, is easy to point at once identified, but not an immediate threat unless their barrel is pointed at us As well as ghillies waiting for an opportunity, the sneaky players who quietly but blatently stroll behind your lines may be ‘camouflaging’ with non aggressive actions1 point -
M4/STANAG mags are all over the place. I've measured up to 1.5mm difference in front-to-back dimensions across my collection, and, vitally, in the location of the feed. It's a wonder that any of them feed at all. Having to add shims, or even file or sand down the mags, isn't unusual.1 point
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Magazine compatibility
DanBow reacted to Colin Allen for a topic
The “fabric” is probably there to prevent mag wobble and possibly improve feeding. Stanag mags and M4 mags are essentially the same thing, although the reality is that not all mags work in all guns. Remove the fabric and see if the Valken mags fit and feed. We use Nuprol, MAG, PTS and unknown brand mags in G&G, SRC and Lancer M4s.1 point -
The ghillie discussion
Mad dog 49 reacted to Impulse for a topic
Same as me, except I also use it when DMRing, though I play that the same as my bolt action and is why I would ideally still like to be able to ghillie with a DMR. I actually prefer the head, shoulders and cape over the full 360 suit including trousers, because a full 360 suit gets caught on absolutely everything and drags half the forest floor with me when I crawl around. As you say, head, shoulders and cape with a rifle wrap covers basically everything that needs covering. Cobra hood (which is still uncrafted...) and rifle wrap is for anything else, and I've pulled off some stupid sneaky spots in that setup, even in a plain black t-shirt and plain OD trousers...1 point -
Another newbie... haha!
Portela_999 reacted to Galvatron for a topic
I play 1 to 3 times a month. Teams are nice to have and play with together but they're not essential. Depending on the games you play, teamwork is required if completing objectives is your thing such as securing areas, retrieving items, recovering VIPs, etc. For the most part, teamwork with strangers can work out really well in my experience.1 point -
That is definitely part of the appeal of the G36 platform to me, especially the G36C. That aesthetic gave it a certain distinction in my eyes.1 point
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Tell Us a Gag. Please!
Shamal reacted to Tactical Pith Helmet for a topic
I can't take my dog to the park anymore. The ducks keep biting him. I should have known this would happen. He's pure bread.1 point -
If I had to guess (which I do lol), I'd think it was one of those head & shoulder jobbies? #me too, just to slow the soviet hordes rolling through Germany, at the time it was quietly considered futile given the apparent size/might of their forces, but seeing how they've performed in Afghanistan & more recently Ukraine, I think we might have made them really work for it ?.1 point
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Another newbie... haha!
Portela_999 reacted to GenuineGerman for a topic
Once a month if I can and I go alone mostly but most people are very friendly and after a while you will start recognising people. It is a great way to socialise.1 point -
Another newbie... haha!
Galvatron reacted to Portela_999 for a topic
You guys are fantastic in this forum! Thank you all! I was thinking about https://www.onlybbguns.co.uk/huntsman-m4-cqbr-polymer-body-full-metal-gearbox-inc-bat-and-charger-h060b to start with a scope... Should be enough for the start, no? And yeah I will book one with rental equipment first to try out1 point -
The 'What have you just bought' Thread
Lozart reacted to Skullchewer for a topic
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Airsofters are Airsoft's worst enemy.1 point
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The ghillie discussion
emphatic_oh reacted to PhantomTMA for a topic
I've been using leaf suit ghillies since 2004 and made the very first Chinese leaf suit ghillie. So I was using what is seen everywhere now, long ago. Back then it gave massive advantage to our group as we were playing a different games type to everyone else and no one was used to looking for well crafted ghillies. You went unnoticed more often. Things have changed, just as my group said they would if our suits became mainstream. We said , it would change the game. You see we had already changed the game and all players used these light mesh leaf suits and played total Stealth game. Our game, called hunteering had evolved from our hard-core airsoft club that had run since 1991 and all our events were based around Stealth and fieldcraft. We developed better suits than traditional heavy designs and made a game where every player used a bolt action and Pistol and handfull of ammo that lasted several days, by yourself. It was the pinnacle of what we love the most .... the stalk ..... being hunted .. navigation ..... hard routine and total immersion in nature. Anyway, we said it would change skirmish/airsoft if aspects of our game and equipment became mainstream. However I agree that ghillies should be limited to only bolt action snipers, in the interest of gameplay. Why? For the reasons you give at the top. Bolt action is the most disadvantaged airsoft gun on the field ..... long MED ...no follow up shot.. small mags ...... expensive ..... most technical to setup well....... have to be stationary to stand a chance of hitting someone..... that's why we play with them. They provide the hardest challenge. My group don't do DMRs as we kind of see them as too high a rate of fire to provide the same experience ... you can walk fore onto targets etc lay down rounds while moving .... big mags .... hi semi auto rof..... etc etc I guess we see it as cheating tbh lol So make a bolty player more specialised as a Sniper by allowing him a full ghillie. Maybe DMR can use a jacket only? AEG player can have a ghillie hat only? But that is if you want a balanced game .. which skirmish isn't.... its a pay to win environment due to lack of limits around equipment and ammo. As is, there is no penalty for putting down 100 rounds at someone in 3 seconds. It's a fraction of a mag. Our own game identifies all the limitations that we could use to create a better, more balanced/skillful environment. That is what our "underground sport" is about ...... getting what we want from the time/money invested in the activity. As is, airsofters are moving towards hose pipes you can quickly walk into target without even needing sights and liberally hose that area down till one bb hits. Personally I want more from my game than that. Airsoft is essentially hide and seek ... and tag. You can't blame people for finally realising that hiding is how you win. However, as you say would you rather skirmish is about hide and seek or more about tag?1 point -
I Don't Know Your Site Layout
John_W reacted to Dan Robinson for a topic
Don't forget the world famous BBC at Spec Ops.... Apparently stands for "Bluebell Copse" or something....1 point -
Another newbie... haha!
Galvatron reacted to Dan Robinson for a topic
Yes - the weight is more down to the hop in the gun and the environment you're pewing in.... outdoors you want a .25 or .28 really otherwise leaves become a deflector screen, and Bush wookies might not feel the impacts. If you're indoors, then I see no need to use anything more than .2s. With increased weight comes increased cost too. There's a thread with a spreadsheet somewhere on the forum with links and prices - I'll see if I can find it. Here we are:1 point -
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It never fails to amaze me that sites will put in hundreds of man-hours of work to build and update the site, but not one minute towards making a map of it.1 point
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The 'How Did Your Airsoft Day Go? Thread
Rogerborg reacted to gavinkempsell for a topic
At My local site Players of War Airsoft I'm sure all snipers are bolt action only, everything else whether single shot or not is max 360fps. I beleve new snipers are monitored by a marshall until allowed to go out alone (usual med applies too). Don't think there are any gillie rules.1 point -
So because of some idiots, that could and should have been dealt with by the marshals, a legitimate style of playing (where some may have spent quite a bit of time and money) is being cancelled. That's not really fair is it, but I suppose it absolves a few marshals from having to do their job correctly.1 point
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custom gbb workshop m4 with t91 mix marui mws gbb airsoft all kit1 point
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TM Glock 17 gen5 mos
lokkers reacted to RostokMcSpoons for a topic
It's a great video, really got me wanting one. And great to see Ollie being himself, in spite of everything1 point -
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