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Maybe this is what he means by stock touch handdel?

Just a heads up SRC stocks fit only require the hole drilling out to allow the tm pin to pass through about a 1mm too small of a diameter just waiting on my Midwest industries rail

Oh dear…another VFC clusterfuck.

Format shamelessly stolen from @Asomodai. EXTREMELY LENGTHY REVIEW. Site Name: Invicta Battlefield Black Site Contact Details: [email protected] Website Address: https://www.invictabattlefield.co.uk/cqb-site Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/Invictabattlefield Site Address: Hampstead Lane, ME18 6AD Hello all! I can't find a review of Invicta Battlefield's Black Site on AFUK, which is understandable as it's a relatively new site (only open since 08/12/21). @blobface and I played the Sunday game on 29/05/22. The Site: Black Site is a medium-size CQB site spread over three floors of a derelict building formerly occupied by ICI. It's literally 30 feet from Yalding train station. Providing a size comparison to other CQB sites isn't that easy, but I roughly estimate it at about two-fifths of the size of The Mall. The site itself has four floors - Alpha (the safe zone), Bravo, Charlie and Delta (not currently in play). Side Elevation The site is semi-auto only, with an energy limit of 350FPS (1.14J), and a maximum BB weight of 0.25g (313FPS equivalent). You may only carry a maximum of 300rds on your person. No sniper rifles, DMRs, grenade launchers, drum magazines, smoke grenades, or green lasers are permitted. Pyro use is limited to BFGs up to 9mm PAK/.380R, EG67s and Mk. Vs. I'd recommend bringing or buying a few grenades; dead players are not permitted to collect thrown grenades until the end of the game. The play area of the site is in fair condition - no rubbish, but there's a lot of dust and occasional dripping patches on ceilings. You must bring a torch; almost all of the building is in near-total darkness, with windows boarded up and interior lighting non-functional outside of stairwells and the safe zone. Good: Location: This is a readily accessible site for those travelling by train: the site's front door is quite literally 50' from Yalding station's exit. This is pretty convenient for London-based players, at a bit over an hour on the train from Charing Cross with one change. The site has a very large gravel car park available for those travelling by car. Site Layout: At present three floors - Alpha, which is the safe zone, and Bravo and Charlie, which are in play - are open. Both Bravo and Charlie are an interesting collection of medium-sized offices, corridors, and industrial spaces. Holes have been cut in some of the interior walls for access; some of these are pretty small so a hat or helmet is recommended. Larger spaces are broken up by barriers and furniture to provide hard cover. The entire play area is in almost complete darkness. I didn't see anyone with NV, and given how everyone's using a torch it may not be that advantageous, but if that's your bag every game here is a night game. Floor Plans Engagement distances are typically short - mostly 5-15m, depending on angles and your appetite for storming a room and eating a lot of BBs at bad-breath range. The respawn points are at the base of the stairwells, which is my only major complaint: descending and then ascending two flights of stairs every couple of minutes doesn't feel like much of a reward for pushing up. Since the stairwells themselves thankfully aren't in play I'd be happier with a respawn point on each floor and a minimum respawn group size or time. Marshalling: Really really good, possibly the best I've ever seen. There were loads of them, they were friendly and helpful, and they intervened frequently, e.g. to tell players that they had actually been killed by a grenade or BB. Safety: A good comprehensive brief with no unfunny jokes, and stringent chronographing of all guns with the site's BBs and marker zip ties. The chronograph is done with 0.20g BBs; it might be better to see it done with 0.25g, since that's the maximum weight and joule creep only goes one way. The BB weight limit initially felt a bit arbitrary, but having played the site the engagement distances are so short there would be no advantage to heavier rounds anyway. There was no attempt to enforce the (obviously unenforceable, all BBs look the same outside the bottle) weight limit and there was some muttering from particularly bruised players about whether or not everyone was sticking to it. Game Modes: The game modes were very simple - find the lighting pucks, switch them to your team's colour and defend them, find the lighting pucks in your team's colour and return them to base, etc. They weren't anything massively innovative - except for the light-up pucks, which are absolutely brilliant - but bluntly they didn't need to be; they worked well and players understood and played the objective. Playerbase: A pretty broad mix of players - a lot of multicam, a lot of more casual set-ups, some younger rentals - but no speedsofters. Players were pretty well-behaved, with nobody (that I saw) losing their cool, cheat calling, or bitching despite several players - including me - copping bleeding welts from the close range. There were a couple of groups of players who were aggressively pushing up and running to and from the safe zone, which always sets a good tone, and even though the day was apparently fully booked there were only a few times people pointlessly stacked up - probably a testament to how close the respawns were. There were a few situations where I felt hits weren't being called, and overkill was repeatedly mentioned by the marshals, but it was pretty minor overall. Turnaround Time: Fairly rapid, aided by the fact that the safe zone is readily accessible. You won't come back and find half your team chatting in the safe zone, either. Average: Value: £25.00 for an evening game (£35.00 including rental equipment) and £35.00 for a day game (£50.00 including rental equipment) is pretty reasonable for a non-woodsball site. It's almost exactly what the late, lamented Echelon Airsoft charged. Game Options: The site has evening games (17:30-22:30) on Wednesdays and day games (08:00-16:30) on Sundays. Site Shop: The site shop seemed to have what you'll need on the day: BBs, propellant, pyro, drinks and snacks. There looked to be a very limited selection of RIFs. Hot food can be pre-booked; some pretty alluring burgers were on offer. Unfortunately owing to very spotty mobile data coverage the entire site is cash only. UKARA Membership: Invicta are UKARA-registered and able to provide you with a UKARA-registered defence. Safe Zone: It's clean, well lit and right inside the front door. It opens straight into the ground floor; there's no massive hike to the safe zone between rounds. There's plenty of horizontal surfaces, but it was a bit tight inside with the site fully booked. It's really thoughtful to provide the floor plans (above) for people trying to figure out how to navigate the maze-like site; I wish more sites did this. Unfortunately (see below) there's no plug sockets and the bathroom situation is a bit dodgy. Bad: The major problems with the site aren't really anything to do with the way the site is run, but to do with how the building has been disconnected from the public utilities. Facilities: The disconnection from mains electricity means the site has very few or no working plug sockets - none readily available in the safe zone. It may be that the shop can charge batteries for you, but you'll be better off planning on being totally self-reliant. There are actual, plumbed-in toilets (ladies and gents), which seemed reasonably clean, but because the site has been disconnected from the water main - there's no sinks to wash your hands, just hand wipes. The urinals don't flush. If you want to use a toilet, you have to refill the cistern afterwards from big orange buckets of water. The toilets are definitely vastly, vastly better than a portaloo, but it is a bit off-putting that it is a physical impossibility for anyone in the safe zone to have properly washed their hands... Conclusion: Black Site is a great day's play. The site is fun with lots of repeat value (I think it would take several game days just to start remembering where the doors lead and which of the windows still have glass in them), Invicta run it very well, and the players make the most of both. When Invicta do such a great job running the site it feels churlish to complain about the facilities - presumably mostly beyond Invicta's control - but they are the only major downside. I'd wholeheartedly recommend Black Site to anyone that wants to play CQB in the dark and we'll certainly be back. Bullpup Watch: Tragically I think it was just my AUG. Other Site Reviews CAMO CQB Skirmish Arena (Essex) Echelon Airsoft (Kent)

As said in another thread, doing the sniper/dmr thing is more a state of mind than about the equipment you use (hop up has more effect on range than raw power), and staying still is the most effective camouflage. I would definitely start with a cyma AK or MP5 and see how you get on, this will at least give you the option of jumping balls-first into the action if you want. Another factor is that many sites won't let you use a sniper rifle or DMR with Minimum Engagement Distance unless you also have a pistol or other sidearm, so straight away you're looking at buying two guns and not one.

I lolled, but there is a real consideration that comprehending a foreign language (or even English like the Baby Jesus spoke if you're a heathen) is a front-brain activity and can fall apart when the adrenaline is flowing. The gold standard of marshalling that I've seen was at the old Depot site where the marshals didn't tend to yell, they took people away from the action and had a few moments of silence first before explaining things calmly and slowly. Not universally, there were a few angry gingers, but the ones with a soul had clearly picked up on the correct technique from the excellent head marshal, and again I'll opine that time-served bouncers are a perfect fit.

Umm I think you will find that they fuckin' well can! ? Regards

Shooter belt finally done with the arrival of the Kydex Customs BFG holder. That is a lot of kydex on one belt ? Happy with the placement where the left is clear for the rifle to dangle and I can dump an empty rifle mag and pick up a fresh one as my right hand moves back round. Pistol reloads I am less worried about as it is a back up and one of the pistol pouches usually has a speedloader in to top-off the MWS magazines during a game…love the gas efficiency.

Can anyone show me theirs for inspiration? I've already got a Marui V10, which is a great looking piece but of course plastic (great for actually using, slightly less desirable as a collectors piece). Guarder are due to release an aluminium frame and slide for it, which should fill the gap between the stock plastic and their steel offering, which as well as being heavy is around £300 for just the slide and the same again for the frame. I nearly bought a VFC Kimber Ultra Carry but they're just a bit plain looking for my taste (that may change with some polishing of the slide and aftermarket grips). There's also Armorer Works version of the V10, which you can get with trademarks from Asia but not sure about the build quality (finish/rattle). So yeah, any ideas?

Those are some nice looking guns. I also am thinking of getting a nice V10 build done sometime soon. Good news is Guarder seem to be revisiting some of the 1911 variants (govt / hicapa / v10) and creating new upgrade parts for them which is pretty nice. V10 slide & frame kit seem to be next on the agenda, along with a steel inner chassis which is a first for any manufacturer to make for 1911's P.S. There's some talk on other forums confirming that Guarder is planning to release a 1911 STEEL kit pretty soon as well. So Inokatsu will have a pretty decent competitor in terms of affordable steel 1911's -someone confirmed this with Guarder after they released the steel parts recently So hang tight! Cool stuff for the 1911's (incl. V10) should be coming pretty soon

Nice one, wondered if they where gen parts or Ali express specials. I recognise that profile picture on your YouTube from a while back on some older forums, glad to see your back into the sport again! Still making beautiful pointy things?

there you go , you saved me typing it up ? its actually a solid performer , I’ve been using a knock off RMR which whilst looking good won’t hold a zero or it’s battery life for shit , I spied a B&T Acro Glock MOS base plate whilst ordering another part and thought I’ll give it a go and see if it fits … which it does i wondered if it’d struggle to cycle with the extra weight but pleasantly surprised that it does not here’s a dodgy one handed cropped vid giving it a whirl , if it stops raining I’ll try again outside

I bought a 12 year old whisky today... ...His parents weren't very happy!

Plinkin ?

I’m in the same boat / mindset at the moment . Once Guarder release a sensibly priced kit I’ll be all over it . The AW version didn’t do it for me at all , just felt very cheap and rattly in the hand . So for the time being it’s just stock TM for me.

If I was going to push power limits on a KTW Winchester I'd be looking at Volante Airsoft's green gas conversion. It should allow a significant boost in power without putting extra stress on the gun.

This should be in the appraisals section but what's the make/model? The paintjob will dramatically reduce the value.

Sorry, no idea, it doesn't seem to be a gun that people tinker much with. Given the cost and the unknowns, I'd be very hesitant to put extra stress on the components, and would focus on the hop and barrel - again, unknowns. Actually, I'm seeing it quoted at 117m/s with 0.2g, or 1.36J, which at most sites is going to get it treated as a sniper with a MED, for little if any extra range over a well sorted 1.14J gun. I'd be tempted to drop it down to under 1.14J, to de-stress it and lose the MED. I'd do that with a chrono to hand, using the intended weight of BBs, and (depending on how long it take to disassemble and reassemble) by cutting one coil and re-flattening, then repeat as necessary.

Using my detective skills, I'd say it's a KJ Works M4A1 GBBR... £400 brand new for the gun, so he's rather optimistically thinking 2 extra mags and a mystery-quality red dot make up for it being an over-priced second hand gnu. But I think we've seen worse here, haven't we?

A brand & model info would be a good start ?, otherwise its £5 & a couple of bags of haribo?

not recommended isn't strictly the whole story. it'll increase your rate of fire/cycle time (aka "trigger response") on a given setup, and for mostly stock guns it's an effective way of boosting the system without splashing out on aftermarket motors. the trigger contacts thing is an issue, but unless you're running a less common gun with proprietary trigger parts it's not so big a deal to have to change out a set of contacts if they burn out. generally speaking if you're building the gun (ie changing all the things) then you build to the battery you're using, which often means 7.4 when combined with typical motor/gear combos. the mosfets to avoid are the ones that only offer active breaking without any precocking functionality, as outside of some specific cases applying active brake to a build that doesn't need it (ie a sane and sensible build) can cause issues with the system stopping too quickly and locking up on semi-auto.

To be fair you normally have to pay quite a bit extra at the massage parlour for a "touch pack handdel", but is this the time and the place for it???

Unless you're fine-tuning the build with some incredible granularity (we're talking the "the only thing stock are the externals" type builds), I agree with @Adolf Hamster. PDI aren't worth the investment and ZCI are both fantastic and cheap. In terms of hop rubber I prefer the macaron over the MR rubber myself as I find it more consistent, plus the macaron contact patch has no issues with barrels. ZCI barrel, Maple Leaf 60 or 70 degree macaron and an omega nub is all you need

This lot would understand everything in conversation, but the moment they were pulled up on something they turned into this guy so it was obvious they knew exactly what they were doing.

I’ve just had my first experience using Octagon Airsoft from Hong Kong and I’m very happy with the service so I’d recommend them as worth a look. I couldn’t find a VFC MP5 GBB fixed buttstock in any of my usual stores so, following a Google search and finding them in stock with Octagon I took a chance. The buttstock arrived in around 10 days without any issues, no charges, no hassle. They’re new to me and others may have more experience of their service, for better or worse, and as usual I’d recommend using PayPal or a credit card for any purchases, but I can only comment as I’ve found and I will use them again if they have something I’m after.

it will depend on the airlines policy regards firearms/replica fire arms. even if you have a valid defence they may not touch them with a barge poll or require a real steel locked case to transport a RIF so only proper answer you'll get is asking them.

Indeed I haven't played yet. Was definitely on the to-do list to rent and get ukara . Yeah well over 18. Was interested in my teens before but didn't have a means to travel to any sites around London. Will definitely ask around when I finally get to going to Reforger Haha thank you! I will definitely try to fiddle with some guns once I get closer to purchasing. Would definitely try to avoid a Lemon. Would you say it is necessary to get a brand new gun reshimmed just to avoid bad QC? Even if from G&G

Thanks

I mean I would have dealt with it by say at the morning briefing, "btw guys, this dude is running a sub-350 bolt action, don't come and cry to us if he shoots you at close range", but then I don't have to manage 60-odd players each with different gear and I can see the logic in not making exceptions for every quirky setup that comes along. There is a rule about not rapid firing DMRs, and so far I haven't seen anyone taking the piss in that regard. Oddly, though there is officially a 360 fps limit (with 0.20g) for AEGs and pistols, in practice they don't chrono pistols unless they are CO2. Fwiw I asked to chrono my ASG mk23 with and without 'silencer' just for my own peace of mind (because who wants to be that guy?), and was well under the limit. Plantation had no morning chrono at all, but there were chronos available and they did do spot checks through the day. That said I don't know how many they did, just that they checked me! I suppose it would be too much to ask for every site to have the same rules and enforce them similarly, but imo some of the 'range safety' aspects at least need to be more unified and up to a certain standard. Always thought it was a bit perfunctory how everyone gets the safezone safety briefing *after* they've been milling around the safezone for half an hour...You should get that on your way in the door, and mandatory chrono for everything with site-supplied BBs (The first site I went to did this). I was pretty horrified to read in another thread about a site where people were dry firing in the safezone, this definitely needs to stop. (So sorry to derail your thread OP)

Gun Name and maker: Double Eagle M66 Pro 700 FPS: 499 on 0.2g Hop up: Rotary with positive click Mag Capacity: 50 Battery: N/A Plastic/Metal/Both: Both My opinion and overall comments: I bought one of these having seen it and read the initial reviews where it was being touted as a field able out the box jobby. Ergonomically, it's quite pleasing and a little different to the other popular sniper platforms and out the box the performance is pretty spectacular for the price point, but, it's as heavy as a freight train and you'll need either a sling or arms like Garth to carry it about all day. It will lift heavy weight bbs out the box but the joule creep is one to watch, on 0.4g I initially hit 2.46j and this is where the downsides start. Leave it cocked in the bag for a week and it dropped to 2.38j on the 0.4g but went no further for leaving it another week. On testing at a range, it will lob shots out to about 80m, but not in a flat trajectory and I was unable to get it even remotely flat with the hop rotary clicks effort. Anywhere past 50m though and the shots are scattered around like a mad dogs crap and the consistency was just not there at all. Out of 5 shots, 1 went remotely straight. Clean the barrel out with some alcohol and have another go, this time it's better, but still not great. So, change the hop rubber, it will take a VSR rubber so I plumped for a Decepticon 70 degree and had another go. Now the joules are down to a solid and consistent 2.0j on 0.4g, and the shot consistency is way better, but I'm getting outraged by blokes with average AEGs. Biggest downside is, its based on the TM M40, but only based, not fully compatible. The cylinder and piston are an odd size and effectively the only bits you'll be able to upgrade easily is the hop rubber, nub and spring. Overall, looks good, shoots okay after a new hop rubber but no range, not cheap and no upgrade parts available. Probably best to avoid for now. Overall rating: 5/10

Damnit, I have a TM Micro Pro Sight.....tempted to put it on the V10 ?

Wow, that's harsh, and sad that they were more concerned about appearances and attitudes rather than reality. See previous kvetching about folk point-blanking with DMR-energy pistols without an eyebrow being raised. Were they equally as bovvered about DMR players spamming at 1.5-1.8J as fast as they could finger-blast the trigger, I wonder? I actually completely agree with this, and would always suggest getting one usable AEG first, playing with that, then taking it from there. And there's no reason - other than marshals' opinions about appearances - that you couldn't run (e.g.) a light plastic CYMA and a bolt action rifle. Treat the AEG as the primary, and the bolt action as a bit of situational fun.

The ACRO itself popped up at a good price so it was a a very indulgent treat but these things seem to hold their value well so if the time came to move it on I don’t foresee a big knock . truth be told I never really left the collecting /tinkering/hoarding side of airsoft , just the playing but some old and new contacts are turning the thumbscrews so I may make a guest appearance at some point ? it’s been a busy couple of years with a few curve balls but knife making is very much back on the menu very soon and thank you !

Just to second this... most ptt's with kenwood connectors will work. For my opfor rig I've been using a retevis fist mic and a cheap D shape earpiece earpiece that plugs straight into it which work surprisingly well considering it costs about £18 or so off amazon. Link here and example earpiece here

Oh, sure, that's why I run an MP5K with ~700 rounds rather than a pistol, and use that as much as the sniper. But I've seen other snipers and DMR players on site without a functional secondary, and without the marshals being that fussed. I'm just bearing in mind that OP is on a budget, and I wouldn't want to put him off by raising the minimum cost of playing. Would that be a Mk23 with a barrel extension shooting at 1.4J or more? Got to be a strong contender for the most abused "lol it's just a pistol mate, it doesn't need a MED" gun out there. Maybe. But having a secondary on my hip isn't actually what stops me from shooting the Tac-41 inside its MED. I'd certainly encourage snipers to carry a decent secondary, but would stress that the important thing is to respect your MED and be prepared to fall back or just surrender if cornered. The other option is as suggested in the referenced "wut sniper?" thread above: power a cheap bolt action down to < 1.14J and use it without a MED. Easier to pull, less stress on the components, and it'll still give you a feel for the play style. I'm pondering that for my currently non-functional MB-03 and even using it in very-CQB for a Hard Mode giggle.

https://www.moaitoys.com/shop/index.php/cyma-handguard-cap-for-ak74u-black.html There's a few different ones here too: https://airsoft.tiger111hk.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ak hand&count=not&currency=ZAR&languag=

I am available to merc, for the right price......

Hippo advice. It is a known fact that hippos can run faster than humans on land and that in water they can swim faster than humans too. Which means the bicycle is your only chance of beating a hippo in a triathlon.??

But have you seen the list of accessories you get with it? Scope stock touch pack handdel

'nother tournament done, this one was short and we ended up 2nd out of 12 teams, with just a handful of points separating us from both the first and third places. Not bad considering that out of 8 people, three were at their first event and two others haven't played in years. My gun stopped feeding on the last objective for no reason, BBs were being loaded into the hop unit but they couldn't be pushed out, so I suspect the piston head came loose inside the gearbox (which seems to cycle as normal, nozzle moves as intended), it's one of those cases where a pistol would have been nice to have but again, for the remaining 99.98% of situations it's just extra weight and bulk. Nonetheless it was a fun event, shame that it was a 3h drive to and 3h drive from, for a 2.5/3h event.

Didn't play too much today. Had no energy all day and first game I took a flanking route to get out of a spawn trap; the bases weren't planned very well that meant our team was easily cut off from half the site where all our objectives were, but the flanking route I took has massively overgrown and I had to fight through really thick foliage. Couldn't go back the way I came either as it was a steep, muddy, slippy incline covered in stinging nettles. Going up it was okay, but going down it I would fall and injure myself, or slide down on my backside and get covered head to toe in stinging nettles (they were probably about 5ft tall), so I spent about half an hour fighting my way through very thick foliage. Weather was muggy too, so I got back and was absolutely dripping with sweat and I just sat out the rest of the morning. Didn't recover much over lunch, so I toyed about with my VSR and now I can boast "my gnu am shot 100m ez" because I managed to hit the 100m target; barely heard the dink on the metal target as it was so far away, but I did hear it (because no way in hell was I seeing it, even with a 9x zoom). Yes, it was overhopping to where it would be impractical for most shots so I'll need to lower the hop, yes it was an angled shot on 9x zoom, and yes I was hitting it maybe around 1 in 10 shots, but I hit it. That means it's my effective range now, right? ? Looking forward to some Namsoft next weekend, but after that it's going to be hard for me to play for about 2 months. I think I might go insane, please send help.

I have to say that I am in the minority of people that a drop leg actually works for (cyclist quads plus the arms of an orangutan on a fairly tall bloke) but even then mine only gets used to place the holster below webbing which won't really work for 99% of people anyway, but is occasionally used. It's a very specific use case I know, but I find that the safariland leg straps plus the plate the holster mounts to do keep it pretty stable for me. But then for my normal beltline that I run with my plate carrier, the same safariland holster goes on a mid ride, and that will always be my preference as the draw is so much nicer.

Lol, I remember the first time I saw a serpa drop leg, safe zone at Ft Amherst, thought "WOW, that's a good way to carry your pistol, such a quick draw" ? A month later I had one, 5 minutes in to the game I thought "ffs, every time I run its like I've got a small child hanging on my leg & trying to pull me the other way" lol?

The Brit Tac belts are definitely nice kit, and winning availability/cost wise. Personally I prefer the plain belts without PALS / Molle slots as they are less bulky and you can put anything anywhere along the belt. A good very cheap black only option is the Protec police inner/outer belt. I myself love the Eagle Industries operator belt with Alpin clasp. Whatever belt you go for make sure to use a mid ride holster with thigh strap, it’s the only way!!

Having tried a fair few, I picked up one of the Flimmuur/Brit Tac options recently and I think it's possibly the best one on the planet yet it's in the lower end of the pricey options. The Tegris/Tegris-type options are the way of the future and it's a real unicorn that such a product is actually made and easily obtainable in the UK, with more regular stock than Tactical-Kit can bring in r.e. American products.

Optics warehouse has 10% off with code QUEEN10. They sell vortex stuff there and they seem to be the cheapest for that even without the discount. Someone correct me if I'm wrong

get yourself a cyma ak or mp5. theyre very good for the money

HSP Flatpack arrived today which sees my PC finished. Been looking at the options available for carrying hydration and a can or 2 of gas as my GBBR usage increases. Having tried out the Ferro hydration pouch and the flatpack, the flatpack wins out purely because it’s more versatile (though the Ferro one is lovely). List of bits is: Ferro Concepts FCPCv5 Ferro Concepts Assault Cummerbund Ferro Concepts KTAR Front Flap Ferro Concepts Padded Strap Socks AXL Advanced Admin Zipper Spiritus Systems Small GP Pouch Esstac KYWI Single Tall Mag Pouch Haley Strategic Flatpack 2.0 SORD TED Pouch

It's all good bro. I was the same as nearly got scammed myself till I did some research. Here's how to tell. This is compared to the ARES/STAR version. So where the red arrows are. Position 1, there is a small hole not present of the airsoft. Position 2, here there are 2 circles that on the real one are on the left hand side and stick out. On the airsoft version they are on the right side and recess in to the body. Position 3, there is a small hole there, which is present on both sides. Also not on the airsoft version. Position 4, the way you get to the lense. It's on the rear on the real one, yet is on the front of the airsoft. Then there's the markings. The real one will always start with AVL, and year starts from 1985 up. ARES/STAR and a few other clones all start STX and the year is always 2005. Then is the NSN number. The airsoft one isn't even correct on any part of it. Now there are a few other really minor signs, but these are the obvious. Hope that helps bud.

Another step closer to my sci fi loadout