Leaderboard

End of the day, z/wagner shit is claiming hundreds+ lives every day, even today, on both sides, & let's not forget that some of those Russians aren't there out of choice, & others may have gone there having been misled by the dictatorships "free" media & state propaganda. On that basis, no site should be allowing these patches to be worn on gamedays, in 30+ years you might get away with them being part of a viable loadout (but I doubt it), but in 2023 they're just symbols of oppression & murder on a massive scale.

Had a broken tappet plate and since I was in there I fitted a NanoAAB mosfet. It's a Tokyo Marui M14 with a wooden stock and firing at 330 FPS on 0.2g. I'll be using it this weekend as I've got a woodland day. I'm still deciding if I want to S hop it or not. The range on the M14, straight out the box, is pretty impressive so do I need to tinker with it?

If you didn't earn it, don't wear it.

Seriously - Z patches ?????????? These types are highly attention seeking and pretty much deserve none of it But, if we bear in mind that I live in Salisbury, around the corner from the Skripals, am a friend of the Sturgess family and have interacted with the troll defenders of Putin with their disgusting narratives ………… I would be providing a Z ‘player’ with attention via a considerable sense of humour failure There is a time and a place At least with the SS it was in the region of 80 years ago …… and though taste can be questionable does align with the reenactment element of skirmishing If a player wants any credibility to just playing airsoft re-enacting Russia in the Ukraine war then they ought to be removing all badges and claiming to be 2014 tourists on a trip

They are already out. Mostly using T8 parts for the noveski . Similar price to a basic TM MWS but with the nice N4 reciever etc. The double eagle MWS clone is actually nicer and cheaper by quite some margin

The winning answer. And given that they could go and sign up to do it for real, it's really rather pitiable that their courage only extends to make-believe. That said... Name and praise the site?

Nice - although the skinflint Scot in me would still just use tape 🤣

I did some quite extensive data analysis on South African crime rates a few years ago as part of a wider research project into violent crime in South Africa Generally accepted reasons for the high violent crime rates include: A failed policing criminal justice system that is under equipped, ineffective, inefficient, highly politicised and corrupt. Massively unequal wealth distribution. Zero prospects for advancement for a large percentage of the population. Disadvantaged young people being drawn into violent crime through a normalisation of violence, the growth of violent subcultures, poor parenting, poverty etc. Brutalisation of young people growing up in poverty, resulting in the above mentioned normalisation of violence. Large numbers of guns being readily available, often having been sold to gangs by police officers on an almost industrial scale; for example, Colonel Christiaan Prinsloo was convicted in 2016 of selling more than 2000 guns to criminal gangs. As well educated and skilled South Africans, predominantly white, leave the country in ever increasing numbers, with most giving the level of violent crime as their main motivation for doing so, it is unlikely that the situation is going to improve as their departure is negatively impacting business and the economy, leading to further reductions in opportunities for the underprivileged. As with the USA, it does look like South Africa may be well and truly fucked when it comes to violent crime and, in particular, murder.

I had an interesting one pop up—a guy shows to my local field wearing full Russion kit and kaboodle. He then starts claiming to have been in the first wave that invaded Ukraine. Speaks Russian, and makes a very convincing claim that he actually was in the first wave. I have no clue on God’s green earth how he would’ve gotten all the way to Texas from Russia… …but the field owner sure did kick him off whether he was pretending or not.

The Z/Wagner-patch douches are just edgelord/Rusfor-simping trash. Don't let them get to you... modern-day equivalent of rocking an SS uniform, accoutrements and all. Absolutely a mix of edgelords, trolls, and people severely lacking in critical thinking, common sense, or basic respect. If you're having trouble being around certain tools or Walts, and it's spoiling the fun for you, maybe a different scene is on the cards -- if it's particularly heinous I'd have no qualms calling them out on it, or ensure that they make for a particularly popular target that day, but appreciate that approach isn't for everyone. Definitely spend some time getting games in away from that crowd, keep enjoying your play without the negative elements sullying the mood.

Play to play. The "sport" is full of assholes, weekend warriors and wannabes, I just ignore them and wear my "I'M A SPACEMAN" patches, because we're playing cowboys and Indians in the woods (hey, I said bang and you didn't fall down!). Play for the fun and don't let dickheads stop your enjoyment of something.

If we get a Labour government next then I do fear all shooting disciplines will have more trouble, I would think that what are toys legally will be far down the list. Most of the RIF’s we use in airsoft or also available as .177 airguns don’t forget, so you couldn’t ban one without the other being affected. Shotguns after Plymouth will face more restrictions I am sure, after all it can’t be the police’s fault that they gave back a seized shotgun to a very sick individual to go out and murder with. At the moment it’s proving very difficult to obtain primers, powders for home -loading ammunition and buying factory ammo even .22 is difficult around my area. Even the NSRA shop at Bisley had little in the way of lead pellets or .22 ammo last weekend. No shops can seem to offer an explanation as to why things are in such short supply, and when you can find them they are often 30% to 40% more expensive. A ban by the back door perhaps. Maybe we will find that shops can’t get hold of gas or bb’s sometime in the future.

I'm not sure our esteemed politicians give a flying fornication regarding that. Politics is politics, and faced with hysterical mania its a bandwagon our Internationalist, Interventionist, spend-thrift tax thieves will be all too willing to jump on to virtue-signal and show their peers how they "faced up to" "danger" and "took action". Meanwhile large numbers of perfectly innocent citizens minding their own business have yet another thing taken away from them, and the descent from liberty to totalitarianism quickens. Oops sorry for the rant. Forgot this was AFUK not Guido Fawkes.

Pfft nah, Poundland's finest gaffa tape. I'm no made o' pounds...

I feel a Charlton Heston quote coming on LOL

Z patches may genuinely upset someone and spoil their day. It's an arsehole thing to do. If we're worried about dressing up as a force that has taken part in illegal wars of aggression, we'll have to start using Irish Rangers or Swiss reservist loadouts... A few years ago, I got an ear full from a chap from SA. He was angered by my wearing 'SWAPO' camo. It was East German strichtarn as donated to said terrorists/liberation forces/communist baddies/peoples freedom army. Most kit has the potential to piss someone off. Intentionally offending people trying to enjoy a fun day out is not on though.

Agreed, it's astonishing that the professional fun-sponges in Holyrood haven't noticed us enjoying ourselves and put a stop to our nonsense.

Looks like they're potentially introducing more variations from CYMA too. I wonder what their price point is going to be.

Yup, sadly I’m in agreement Im enjoying it while it lasts, before the spotlight is shone upon our hobby But would I surrender my toys for disposal? probably not but that’s another discussion 🤫

Fair enough. I will be near Milton Keynes on Thursday; ask your second to contact mine to make the arrangements.

Agreed, I'm enjoying the fun while it lasts. I've also put a lid on buying more toys because I suspect that at some point they'll become a liability rather than an asset. One thing that we don't seem to do in the UK is buy-back schemes. When yet more things are criminalised, you're expected to destroy them, or hand them in to the police. So at that point, if you want to recoup some of what you've spent, the only way left to do that is to flog them to Bad Barry behind the Dog and Duck. Not, I think, the desired outcome.

<Steering well away from the politics and arguments>.......... The fact remains many folk don't like guns, whether real or not. That gives ammunition - pun intended - who seek to further regulate or completely cancel our hobby. Fear and ignorance are a dangerous mix. It's a wonder the way things are going in this country that they haven't come for us yet. Eezer G

I think they are a mixture of the two. Unfortunately, there will always be a percentage of people in this hobby who like to create controversy or are attracted to authoritarianism. There are also some who lack the intelligence or awareness to understand what wearing such insignia, be it Z, Wagner, SS or whatever, represents.. They are the same group who use the "It's just banter" defence. I have only seen two or three players wearing Z or Wagner patches. One was asked to remove a Z patch by a site owner, refused to do so and was told to leave. Maybe you need to find a different site; however, such people are spread across airsoft and you will encounter them at most sites. The best thing to do is to ignore them as much as possible, play your game and, if you do encounter them in the field, make sure it hurts.

Not sure to be honest, although I imagine that the petro industry qualifies it. I know that South Africa is the only 'first world ' nation in Africa. In 2019 I think that I remember that about 10% more people died from criminality in SA than died from the Syrian civil war. 22k v 20k. Worth checking anyhow. It's a very open question.

A few months ago a guy turned up in WW2 Nazi Germany soldiers loadout. Full on swastika on his belt and on other parts of his kit just no red armband. Problem for me is that it was a normal every day skirmish. I can understand maybe at a WW2 event but it just seems really odd and strange in my opinion to turn up like that and not feel embarrassed of even question yourself. To be fair I would like to see sites start adding regulations on this sort of thing.

Just not taking things seriously. This topic inevitably leads to disagreement, and we're on a forum for big kids. 🤪

Kinell The end times are upon us.

I'd say both. They know exactly what they're doing and are only doing it for a reaction so can play the internet big man later, complaining about how snowflakes are upset by a bit of cloth. Imo the best way to deal with them is make sure the only attention they get is from a few extra bbs (especially to the more sensitive body parts). They're nothing more than attention whores who thrive on creating drama

Can't disagree there @Tackle.

Aye, same shite, different name. Covid, Climate Change, you name it, bandwagon jumped on, hysteria abounds and we all get shafted. Oops sorry went off on one again. I'll stop now. I promise. *twitch twitch*

If we take that view, any war has its oppos and anyone can take offence at anything. Where do we stop. Germans getting offended at British D-Day kit... Yanks offended at VC loadouts... Jedi offended by Stormtroopers... Covenant airsofters disgusted by Spartan loadouts... Next we'd be banning shemaghs as the wrong colour will offend someone (a genuine cultural fopah in the Gulf but we airsofters tend to ignore it, mainly out of ignorance). Personally, there's good taste to be accounted for, however it's still just a bit of dress-up. My great-grandfather fought in the Somme. Another family relative was a Jew who escaped to Scotland with his bro from Poland in 1939 when they were all getting rounded up and sent to camps. His remaining family were wiped out in the horrors that followed. Whilst I'm fully aware and appreciative of history, I'm afraid I am not offended in the slightest if someone turns up to my local field in SS kit with toy guns. Thats just me, again there's the question of what is good taste, and others may be for good reason more sensitive which regardless of my more Liberal views I do respect.

I very definitely have an issue boots issue, and I don't care:). I have worn black tie with black issued German boots; nobody seemed to notice.

It would have been the traditional way: throwing blancmanges at each other from the baskets of hot air balloons. It is how I repeatedly duel with my mortal foe, Roger the Welshman (that isn't an instruction). I am pleased to hear about the boots. Go and play, and tell him what a brilliant day you had :). Hope he recovers rapidly.

Aww ya big Puff I’ll be taking my gbbr and it’s 40 round mags And my shotgun 😂 (maybe quietly taking my aeg out for when I realise I’m needing to actually hit someone )

Gotta love a Sig 55# series I enjoyed my ICS, but was a hefty boi Quietly tempted with a GHK variant one day

The cold war is a very bad example of the point you're trying (and failing) to make. Both sides were in an arms race as they both considered the other side to be wanting to wipe them out. As for your question about why wouldn't they use it, why would they go through the extra hassle of getting a gun when a knife can be bought for a fraction of the price and will have the same effect on the victim, whether that's making them comply or putting a hole in them

I'd be interested to see a non developing country with a higher violent crime death rate per capita with stricter gun control laws. There's an interesting interactive world map here: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country Certainly taught me a few things. I watch a lot of "lawTube" and America does get some things right.... But gun culture, education and health it certainly does not. This case about ChatGPT is fecking hilarious to listen to (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/nyregion/lawyer-chatgpt-sanctions.html). I say this having just signed my son up to an international school that uses the University of Nebraska High School curriculum. Your participation in a UK forum is admirable in that you are apparently interested in the happenings outside your nation's borders. Next you'll be telling us you own a passport 😁. I've certainly enjoyed reading your contributions and linked pages. One of the reasons I enjoy this hobby is because I like the aesthetic and feel of guns... don't want a real one though - is that strange? I just go to my dad's house/land and use his shotguns for clays and vermin. big kids with grown up money ..... very dangerous combination 🤣 especially on a Friday night when booze is involved.

The KWA F90 is a thing of beauty and will now compete with the FAL, the G53, the G3, the MP5, and the L85 for a place on my Xmas list. The bastards.

Grow up, child. Either that, or stop posting when drunk.

This I am discovering.

It's a Surefire Redi-Mag. Allows you to hold a spare magazine on the rifle next to the to the one in the magazine well. Saves having to draw a spare from a pouch, and on some AEGs they double up as battery containers.

True. I'll give it it's own thread. I'm working on metal kits for tm Spas 12s too and fancy having a crack at a MAT49. If I can get hands on a deact I can get replica bodies formed from steel. The terminator has been built by a guy called Lee who's a wizard. I'll get it working spot on and do all the finishing and will do a build thread when I can.

Same here. This explains what those guys at my old site where doing. They never joined us in games and had guns that looked like they were made from the spare parts bin at B&Q. Now do us all a favour and fuck off and take your spam with you

sorry but the law is if you have played 9 years of paintball it gets deducted from your airsoft lives so you have only played for 7 years in airsoft

No - me neither. 16 years Airsoft and 9 years tournament paintball left me very confused and unable to work out the difference between the two. Thanks OP - I feel so much better now... (If you know, you know.)

im so glad you posted this in the 19 years ive been playing airsoft i did not know what Paintball was i think im going to sell all of my kit and move hobbies

The barrel nut came from a madbull handguard, the seller kept the OEM TM barrel nuts, hence why it doesnt fit, lol fml... I think I figured it out, I will need to buy the TM MK18 GBB barrel nuts and install it on the MWS.

So I figured I may as well transplant my initial review here and also post updates as the internals are almost identical to the upcoming VFC FAL/LAR. The Umarex G3 Gas Blowback Rifle by VFC Firstly it's been a while since I wrote a review , years in fact . This rifle has been one i've been looking forward to for many years so a bit of that enthusiasm is most certainly going to find it's way in . However I am not one of those young guys from Youtube who gets their first rifle and thinks it's the best thing ever. I've got an extensive collection and have been in airsoft since 1990 . This rifle was not supplied for review , I paid for it myself as soon as pre order was available . Upon the rifle arriving you will see it packaged in typical umarex style with black H&K marked cardboard box with stiff card inserts holding the contents very securely . The rifle itself being wrapped in a tough plastic “bag” . Also in the box you will find the instruction manual and loading tool for the included 20 round gas magazine . Once unwrapped you can feel the heft of the G3 with it's steel construction running around one metre in length. The plastics are of good quality and feel very solid with only the very slightest of sideways play at the rear of the handguard , Although the plastics are of high quality , I intended from the start to switch these out for real furniture as I do with the vast majority of my rifles . If anything the VFC plastic is of too high quality with decent texture in contrast to the H&K parts . The muzzle device is steel and a very good replica although I will likely switch this out for a real one soon. Behind that is the steel outer barrel extension which runs into the steel front sight block . The outer barrel under the handguard is alloy and does serve to lighten the front end a touch compared to the full steel barrel of the LCT but it does not detract from the overall feel for me . The Handguard is patterned on the slim green handguard we are all so familiar with . It is real spec and every real handguard I have tried has fitted perfectly unlike the LCT which has some annoying protrusions from the reciever pin that must be ground down to fit some . So far Ihave tested the following real handguards …. Slim , wood , Wide(tropical) and RAS from Fab Defense with no issues . In fact all of them removed that tiny bit of sideways slop that the factory handguard had . Above the handguard is the steel cocking tube with it's steel charging handle assembly which has the usual green plastic sleeve on it (the cocking handle appears to be real spec but I have yet to find time to change mine out). The cocking tube is correctly and neatly welded to the reciever which is of course more steel . The reciever appears to be made just like the real rifle , being made of a stamped sheet which is then folded and welded in all the right places and with attention to detail. On the left side of the magwell you will find the markings which say “G3FS 106****(serial number protected) HK 2/72 Bw . These markings denote that this is based upon a later “freefloated” model of the G3 manufactured in 1972. The only other markings on the upper are the usual white umarex markings which are very cleverly done on the part that is covered by the lower when assembled so there is no “cal6mm” ruining the look of the rifle until you take it apart for cleaning . The lower is again a stamped steel construction and is again real spec so you can fit the real pistol grip sleeve on with no mods required . Due to the insane attention to detail from VFC you could also use a real lower by dropping the well replicated GBB trigger box into the real lower . I will be doing mine in the next few days hopefully but mine is a FMP lower so I will need to quickly run a file inside the front lugs to make it match up against the VFC (this is a known point when using FMP lowers on H&K G3s). The stock again is a very well replicated part , VFC opted to fit the recoil assembly to the end cap like it would be on the real one so you will need to move this to the real stock unless you use the VFC end cap . I have tried using a real stock on the VFC end cap and also using a real slither stock and moving the recoil assembly over and both worked great. Internally the level of replication continues with the trigger group and bolt carrier group both replicating the real parts very well . Field stripping this is all but identical to the real rifle. So …. onto the airsoft side of the replica The 20 round GBB magazine is a good design and not only replicates the real one very well but also cleverly enables the rifle to give the “dead mans click” on empty or allow for dry firing depending on how you set the “dry fire switch” . The fill valve is on the back of the magazine just below the strike valve which means it's protected from debris but also hidden from view when in the rifle . Filling with gas and Bbs is easy which is a relief for those of us that use GHK rifles . The gas tank is enough for around 60 shots when using RWA Airsoft Surgeon gas unless you try to mag dump every mag. Given the size and weight of the bolt carrier this is quite astounding . Upon inserting the magazine (if you haven't used a G3 this can take practice) you need to charge the rifle by pulling the charging handle to the rear and then allowing spring pressure to carry it forward into battery . This gives a very satisfying “clunk” and you feel the weight of the bolt carrier close as it hits the steel trunion . Once charged you remove the safety catch which has a stiff , positive feel like the real one (manly) and you are ready to fire . The trigger has some take up and not a very distinctive wall before breaking at surprisingly lightweight . The reset is quite short with a bit of slop but audible with a noticeable click on the trigger finger once it resets . The recoil is sharp and has good travel which is nice for a rifle of this size and weight but does not feel sluggish in the slightest . It's very satisfying . On auto the rifle will rock about nicely but of course that is not what users of this rifle will be using in the field so it's just a fun factor when messing about . Once the magazine is empty the hammer will fall will a”click” and you will be required to change magazines and charge the rifle again . The “correct” military way to do this is to lock the charging handle into it's rear recess , take out the spent magazine , insert the fresh mag and then “H&K slap” the charging handle into battery . This feels great and you can be confident doing this with the steel construction . The hop up is easy to adjust and is located under the handguard (no more damn allen keys) . I have not range tested my rifle yet but the grouping at CQB distance was nothing short of surprising . With 0.28g airsoft surgeon ABS Bbs ,the rifle was easily grouping into an inch group from rested and not quite two inches freehand ! That kind of repeatability on a GBB is almost unheard of from the box and the chrono helped me understand why that may be with only a few FPS variance over a 20 round mag when firing semi auto at a steady pace . Mine currently reads 416 fps average with green gas and 0.2g but I will be restricting that to be around 1.1J with 0.3g just to be safe , This is just a first look and I will be updating this review with photos and more data over the coming days as well as continuing to test real parts compatibility (note this was from 2018 and updates will be posted below ) link to 2018 photos https://imgur.com/a/8MLdgX1 update from early 2019 An update on use after a couple more events . a month ago I used it in minus 3C and incredibly it emptied every mag , every time which was a shock having had earlier VFC rifles and it also having such a large bolt . Especially on only green gas and not red or black I used it again this weekend and this time it was a little warmer . I had also fitted the adjustable valve so I was using it as a battle rifle with slim fore-end and iron sights instead of as a dmr . Range was still amazing with airsoft surgeon 0.3g BBs with no loss of range with the drop in power created by the adjustable valve . The hop has bedded in now and accuracy was nothing short of astounding to the point I was quite easily picking out parts of bodies behind cover at 60-70M . Mag changes are getting smoother too. As an aside , I had also fitted the selector from a real G3 and that worked flawlessly on all modes with no modification or tooling . Literally a drop in fit Update 2022 So Since 2019 I have updated several things - Firstly I replaced the only alloy part (outer barrel section under the handguard) with a steel part that completes the feel and adds even more durability. Also i'm using real iron sights , muzzle device , mag release , cocking handle and support , lower frame , selector and all types of furniture from the sliding stock to various solid stocks , grips , foreends , rails etc . it's still the best shooting airsoft gun i've owned and i have literally owned a good number over the last 32 years (I still have around 80 in the armoury) I can't wait for the VFC FAL to land as I really hope it shoots and feels like this G3