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OK so further to discussion elsewhere on the forum, if I can get patches made for about £8 posted, how many of you will want 1 or more? My plan is to have a bit less margin and have the finished article being about 65mm high, with a plain black edge and velcro on the back. I've redone the pic in higher quality as a pdf for the manufacturer's software to deal with easier. You can see that here. I have asked for a price for a few sized batches and to have about 5mm extra margin all around the pdf image. Any ideas, things i've missed, etc please don't hold back. For now, guessing by other patches i know have been similar i'm guessing at about £8 posted per unit, but depending on take up, it could be a shade more, but then again if it goes monster it will be less...

Legal to own... illegal to import without a suitable defence. Which as far as customs are concerned is UKARA or nothing. No such thing as a license, never has been, never will be.

Here's the rub: - There is no such thing as a a UKARA "license". You can become a UKARA registered skirmisher however... - It's NOT illegal to own or buy a RIF, whether you are a registered skirmisher or not. End of story. - It IS illegal for a retailer to sell you a RIF if you are under 18 or cannot provide a defence against prosecution under the VCRA - which is where becoming a registered skirmisher comes in. - It IS illegal to "manufacture" a RIF without the aforementioned defence. - Two tones are not considered realistic and therefore as long as you are over 18, a retailer can sell you one. This stuff has been covered countless times elsewhere...

CYMA AK?

^ The 'point of putting them in there' is to ensure that entitled groups (those with the 'specific defences') are not prosecuted, but not being prosecuted for something is not the same as not having committed an offence. What jcheeseright is suggesting is also my interpretation of the law. The VCRA clearly defines importation of a RIF as an offence. Therefore it is illegal. It then goes on to note that those groups who have a specific defence against prosecution will not be prosecuted for this offence if they can demonstrate such as defence (such as the much touted 'airsoft defence' which is not one of those defences found in the original VCRA anyway but was later added here: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2007/20072606.htm). The fact that you will not be prosecuted for an act does not mean that act wasn't an offence, and therefore against the law. It may render it 'de facto legal,' in as much as you can seemingly do something illegal whilst knowing you won't be prosecuted for it, but that doesn't actually make the act any less of an offence. The term you used yourself, "answered for," highlights this; you can't answer a question if the question hasn't first been asked, and you can't answer for an offence with a defence against prosecution unless you have first committed an offence.

there's no part under that which makes the import of a RIF legal under any circumstances. It's ALWAYS illegal, much like the sale is ALWAYS illegal, we simply have a defence against prosecution for committing that crime.

Yup. I once brought a 20 foot long braided leather bullwhip back from Spain, for a former girlfriend who collected them (don't ask lol). I walked through Customs in Spain with it wrapped in thin tissue paper, and was duly stopped by them. 'You cannot have that in the cabin senor, since it is classed as a weapon.' say they. 'How could I hijack an airliner with a whip? Who do you think I am, Indiana Jones?' say I. Customs do not like jokes by the way. So, the whip had to be handed to a Cabin Crew member for the duration of the flight. Now, picture the scene. There I am coming off the plane at Manchester airport, and I pass through Customs, and there is my girlfriend waiting for me, I walk across the concourse toward her, when this drop dead gorgeous stewardess who I had been chatting to on the flight back comes running up to me, shouting 'Al, Al, you forgot your whip!'

That guy is an airsofter. Clothes are too clean. (Yes, I know he is'nt.)

I'll stop you right there. THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT FOR A REASON TO OWN A RIF. NONE. You can OWN as many RIFs as you want, unless you commit a crime with them the police cannot do anything. The things legislated against are SELLING, IMPORTING, and MANUFACTURE. Posession of a RIF is not something you require a defence for. EVER.

Yeah, sorry that was a little facetious of me. Top right corner of the forum is a little envelope. Click on that and it'll show you your inbox. Click on the title of a conversation and you'll see the messages, that's where you'll be able to reply. The green tick thingy is like a "like", yes. Like "like" on Facebook, like.

Chock, 'Special Forces' when referring to US military units ( certainly with official sources) almost always means US Army Special Forces, other wise known as green berets. They're a specific unit split into 7 groups. It's a common misconception that the term special forces refers to all SOCOM and JSOC units, or anyone that's not conventional infantry... But with the yanks, it's just that one unit; US Army Special Forces.

gave in & bought 2 x CM122 pistols on offer at Gunfire @ 40Euro or about £32 each that a47 was blue and after sanding (fairy ain't shifting that amount of paint) it came out with a sort of light faded or aged look - still plastic but smooth as a baby's ar$e coat of varnish to finish and she will do me - still got a touch of blue on bottom of stock (looks better/darker is wiped with damp cloth hence a coat of varnish will be sweet) pic may appear bluey in places on some parts of stock but trust me it ain't like that at all - no sirs (seriously was on an OCD mission to get every possible bit off - took hand guard off too & de-blued the holes etc..) wasn't too bad really - heavy/medium/fine sandpaper & a bit of elbow grease

Aaaand I'm out.

Cheers Mack, looks like you're on the money

Hi. Your wallet is already weeping.

that's made me a bit sick, belongs in the thread to provoke ed!

more to the point, the OP doesn't have any kind of defence and therefore WOULD be breaking the law if he were to import a RIF.

Nicky-Stitch Me Up almost certainly.

Umarex don't actually make any of those guns, they are chinese clones of other makes which Umarex rebrand with trademarks (H&K etc), although they are supposedly made with better quality control than the standard Jing Gong (or whatever make) versions. Also they are marked as 350fps+ so they may be too "hot" for your local site, meaning you'd have to get them downgraded. G&G do various guns (mainly M4 variants) which come highly recommended by many on here, but as I don't have any experience of that make I'd have to leave it to others to recommend a particular gun (which I'm sure they will ).

this: plus this: 100% head protection, chuck a scarf on and your neck is covered as well. The goggles are a set of ESS profile turbofans with a 'sansei' style lower trimmed and cable tied on. Helmet is a repro crye airframe, but a fast style helmet will work just as well, Peltor Comtac headphones on arc rail adapters protect ears from BBs and loud noises.

Eye protection (Goggles or mask), Combat boots and Knee pads in that order. Gloves help with blisters but if I had to pick just three things and turn up in any old clothes I want those, not only for safety but comfort also. I'm a more confident diving about with ankle support or taking a knee when I've got a lot of weight on my back if I'm wearing the proper stuff. EDIT: Ninja'd by Mack. Didn't see your post mate.

Put me down for a couple!

Thanks I appreciate all the help It would be easier just to get a defence then go against the law. This is all i wanted to know

It is illegal, importation of a RIF is against the law. Importation means the item coming from another country into this one, doesn't matter how it gets here, without a valid defence against prosecution you could be prosecuted under the VCRA 2006.

No. That would not be illegal, although you could understand that obviously there would be questions asked if you walked through the scanners at Heathrow with a RIF in your bag. Specifically, the law on the matter says that it is illegal to import a RIF, unless it is for one of the following reasons: A It is for the purposes of a museum or gallery; B It is for the purposes of theatrical performances and of rehearsals for such performances; C It is for the production of films (within the meaning of Part 1 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48)_see section 5B of that Act); D It is for the production of television programmes (within the meaning of the Communications Act 2003 (c. 21)_see section 405(1) of that Act); E It is for the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments organised and held by persons specified or described for the purposes of this section by regulations made by the Secretary of State; F It is for the purposes of functions that a person has in his capacity as a person in the service of Her Majesty. Reason E is the one related to airsoft, and the easiest way to demonstrate that, is with a UKARA registration number, which is why people get them. So if you were stopped at Customs, it would obviously be most expedient to say 'here is my UKARA number, go ahead and check it'. I'm willing to bet that it would not be a five minute wait before you got waved through with a cheery smile, but that is nevertheless the law as it stands.

Yeah, on the obscenity issue - we are simulating killing people with assault weapons. I know it's a game and it is just a laugh, but if anyone seriously thinks that the word "fuck" is more offensive than assault weapons, real or imaginary, then they can indeed fuck right off.

I'll take one pal, will need to sort out some Velcro for my bdu n rig but ill do it haha

You got a sale here too

ninja edit while you were typing, I re-read my post and thought "actually, pathfinders aren't UKSF... should change that!"

Must be thinking of a different gun then, all the BO stuff I've seen was more in the £700 range... Just checked, I've only seen the BO Dynamics Proline stuff up until now. Didn't realise they did cheaper ones! My bad.

Go - on then put me down for one heck make that two - one front & one on back for when my dumb a$$ team shoot me (yeah I know sometimes I deserve it) serious - you got 2 orders from moi if you get them off ground some people may find it a little offensive perhaps - well yeah we are attacking this round ffs but if they really find it offensive reading the patch on front - I will point them to the other one at the back Would be a sure fire way of all meeting up at NAE - easy to identify AF-UK miserable old farts (though don't think Dev will be sending these out to all - only grumpy bastids can apply)

Would like to point this out. A person is guilty of an offence if— (d) he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to be brought into Great Britain. Which pertains to his original post about buying it externally and importing it.

yeah basically what has been said - it "could" get seized and you have little argument if no defense whatever people may think of UKARA it does simplify buying RIF's like in this matter there is no real license as such - just you on a database of saddo's that play with toy guns (in a figure of speech - no offense to rest of us)

I knew i ninja'd at atleast one person

Right. To own an RIF - No it is not Illegal, so long as that RIF was purchased by someone who holds an Active UKARA membership, and passed on as a gift (No exchange of services or goods) You need to be 18 regarding the below points. To Purchase an RIF - You need a UKARA registration to purchase an RIF. To purchase an IF (Two-Tone) - You do NOT need a UKARA license. Purchase from international sources would be detained at customs unless a valid membership was displayed that correlates to the destination address. If this does not happen, it will be returned or very likely Destroyed by customs.

No more explaining than anyone else, once it's all explained the chances are they'd want to have a good look at them.

Echo 1 M134 Minigun, so I could indulge in all those Jesse Venture Predator quotes such as: 'Bunch of slack jawed faggots around here, this stuff'll make you a goddam sexual tyrannosaurus... just like me!'

$1550 + delivery and tax, + $20 a shell and $100 a mag.

Nope, Hes USSF, The Caption reads "A U.S. Special Forces soldier provides security as their convoy is halted by mechanical difficulties, near Sarobi district, Kapisa province, Afghanistan, June 17, 2014. USSF and ANA forces drove to Tagab district, Kapisa province to capture known Taliban commanders in the area. (U.S. Army photo by Spc. Connor Mendez/Released"

Hello, Just thought I would feedback what I actually bought. I ended up buying a BO Combat LT595 CQB (M4) as after trying it decide I liked they way it felt and that it accepted all accessories and is easily upgraded. I also on whim bought a KJWORKS KP01-E2 (P226) as I liked the way it felt. A friend of mine gave me his old Osprey MK4 vest so I am going to have to buy a L85 in the future. Thanks for your advice. Daniel

FFI AOR1 Gen 2 Set

My 'like a boss' decal arrived- obligatory rifle photo post

I'm a tech based in Dorset and do a few custom builds. I'll pop some up here (a mix of personal guns and customers) let me know what you think To start.. Steampunk M14

Depends what you mean by 'weathered'. Kind of tricky with a G36, since they tend to be used a lot by police and such, so they're not in the field for long and will look fairly pristine because of that. Having said that, the ones which do take a real battering, are the Kampfschwimmer ones (German Navy special forces divers). Those guys are trained to approach targets underwater, and come out of the sea firing their G36s and P8s, so their weapons certainly get exposed to a bit of wear and tear. The polymer furniture on them will of course not show much signs of wear, but what does show signs of wear is the three-tone camo which many of their G36s sport, so you could paint three tone camo and then buff it off the edges with a dremel or some such, however, there's something you could do which might be more fun that that. Take a look at this picture: http://i.imgur.com/NreBfD4.jpg You can see on that pic that the paint/bluing on the edges of the metal parts is very worn and showing the bare metal, i.e. the cocking handle, the RIS mount (particularly at the front), the flash hider, the fire selector, the body pins etc. Now, the problem you have, is that a lot of that stuff on an airsoft G36, is not metal, but ABS plastic, but you can still make it look like worn metal by using dry-brushing. If you've never done that, here's what that technique looks like: That is my plastic UHC AKS74U, which I have dry-brushed so it looks like worn metal. So, how do we do that? Right, what you want is some of this, which any decent craft or hobby shop will sell: http://modelshop.co.uk/Shop/Item/Humbrol-metalcote-polished-aluminium/ITM3289 So, then what you do is, get a very soft artist's paintbrush (don't use a sh*t cheap one), shake the paint tin and then stir it with a match or cocktail stick so that the metal flakes are suspended in the paint, then dip the brush in the paint, then take a piece of kitchen roll and clean off the paint from the bristles until there is barely any left coming off the brush onto the paper towel. When it is like that, you are ready to use it - Lightly flick the brush over the edges and raised parts of your gun where you want it to look like paint or bluing has worn off. The almost dry brush should only deposit small amounts of paint on raised edges, and it will look like worn metal if you do it right. Don't overdo it, subtlety is the key here, and remember that much of the real G36 is not metal, so you might need to put masking tape on the bits you don't want the paint to go on (crappy 'pound shops' will sell masking tape). If you need to mask around intricate parts, Blu-Tack is good for that, because you can mold it around things. Now, leave it to dry for a couple of hours, then you need some aerosol matt varnish (you can get that from most 'pound shops' too). Spray that very lightly (and I mean VERY lightly) over your bry-brushed bits, and it will prevent it from rubbing off. Be careful though, the wet varnish will tend to wet the metal paint and spread it out, which is not what you want, so if you don't work slowly with the varnish, it will ruin the effect, so, the idea is to do ONE very light quick pass with the varnish, then let that dry, then do another light quick pass, and so on. You need to work slow with the varnish, and let each pass dry before you go again, or it will ruin the effect. Patience is the key word here.

Actually the paint scrapes were from the previous owner lol. but yes, I did have a pretty hard time too. Had to introduce a hammer to the mix. I watched a few Youtube videos and one of the people said to lubricate the rail and Scope track, but I didnt have anything to lube it with so I made it take it dry...LOL. that sounded dirty

Saw this in a local airsoft store yesterday!......... I had to run!!! to save my credit card!!!

Let's be honest. Once you've bought the first one, it gets easier and easier to justify buying more guns. Get something cheap and cheerful to begin with and before long you'll have a veritable arsenal! My first was a CA M15A4 for which I paid the grand sum of £120 and 3 years later it still has a regular outing for CQB, despite the fact I have 5 others to choose from...