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To be fair, an organisation that doesnt charge for its use or for that matter be particularly overbearing with engagement (as evidenced by my penny pinching self having thorougjly forgotten i'd signed up) it's hard to care that much about what they do. Yes in principle a single unified body representing our hobby sounds like exactly what we need, ultimately many folks simply dont notice or care the "on the ground" effect and thus are unlikely to give a monkeys if #3457 of their 10000+ strong email spam list are or are not in breach of their constitution. Until ukapu gets the widespread site engagement that means you'd realistically notice and care for a ukapu approval notice on their webpage then the majority of players are unlikely to care so deeply for how its run. Having left the hobby precisely because of a lack of consistent good management amongst the sites i have access to it seems obvious to me that what this sport needs is not government lobbying or annual general meetings, but a widespread network of sites that agree with a real world noticable effect on performing duties such as marshalling, good chronograph practice and site bans that not only stick at the sites that initated them but at others in their region. But alas we're stuck with sites that ask "what size bb's are you using?" With no real effort to understanding the effects of joule creep or for that matter the difference between joules and velocity measurements despite it being something anyone with a gcse in physics should at least understand the implications of even if they remain ignorant of the factors that cause it. Hell even when explained something as simple as "you can put a cable tie on most hpa regulators, here's how you do it *cable ties his own regulator to demonstrate*" or "you know you can can just print the site fps limit of various common bb weights and sellotape it on the back of the chono" is largely ignored with at best a token effort to ask what weight of bb's a player is running

Is it really? I mean really, really? Stop to look at the context - we run (or amble with intent) around, playing dress-up pretend solders, with toy guns to shoot little plastic balls at each other. In the grand scheme of things - nobody else gives a shit about how the organisation handles their constitution. I know I don't. You've laboured your point - if you have an issue with UKAPU - email them.

Tbh at this point i'm not sure how the argument started, what its about or how its continuing, it seems to be mostly arguing about how people are being argumentative in their arguments from argumenters who argue they arent argumentative as an an argument to the argumenter they're arguing against.

Guys. I would like to give a BIG Shout out to Colin Allen, I had a problem with my 1911 Cybergun, my favourite pistol, it had stopped working and was losing all the gas, Colin was the first to answer my question and also followed it up by personal messages with explanation of what to do to fix it and how to do it, its wonderful finding guys like Colin who go out of their way to help others, It is a wonderful site with some great guys, Thanks again Colin. All the Best John

Just about to book onto my first Stirling milsim since 2021.. buzzing

If there is a better way to put people off joining UKAPU then I’d like to see it. At the beginning of the thread I was considering becoming a member, but what with the general back-and-forthing and bylaws being referenced like lives depended on it I’ll steer well clear. This is supposed to be a fun sport. None of what I’m seeing above is anything near the definition of fun. I’ll take my chances with UKARA being sensible enough to protect their livelihoods (and therefore the game).

Ever tried chronoing a tri shot down one? Firing 3 bbs down one can give some interesting results

God - this is boring. At least Mr No_Face could throw a decent insult to get us old farts all riled up. This is just peddling pedantry.

Yep I am really mature (in years lol), but your really boring, kinda droning on, maybe you'd be better taking your concerns to email or pm, this is supposed to be a fun place chatting about a fun hobby, & your sucking the fun out of it like an internet vampire.

Hop might struggle, I'd suggest holding it this way instead.

I doubt that anybody at your local sites does.

Give it up now @TacticalWaifu Your rhetoric is becoming somewhat samey. Regards

With that stupid rate of fire I'm not surprised it shits itself

Next Skirm July 16th Next Battlesim light at Red Alert July 23rd (@skullchewer, you and the other Outcasts going? Need another meatshield squadmate?) It's been a few weeks since I played, need to get back on the field again...

Oh my god. Do you ever shut up? I was referring to cannon as “ bud” I certainly wouldn’t refer to you so endearingly. I call something like boring sex starved woke ass hole or something.

Read it as you want bud.😂

I've got a mate coming off deployment and a weekender at a club I've wanted to be more involved in for a while. Another western game at fireball should happen in September. Six shooters, mates and moonshine, makes an excellent weekend. Just secured a load of tooling to make bespoke bits at home and would really like to break into the film/tv armoury industry and make some interesting airsoft bits.

Looking forward to many things, mostly getting back to playing after some back issues recently I need to get down to Red1 Chiselhurst one last time to get my ukara finally. Then I have my eye on heading to imperium for one of their epic looking game days soon. Then I'm going to make it my quest to try and get some of my buddies to come play with me!

What a lovely and polite way of saying what everyone else is thinking…

Seems like a whole bunch of negativity recently (and I'm struggling to find events of interest).....so....... What event, Weekender, thing, product, game style etc is coming up that you're excited about? Can't think of anything? What would you like to see? I'm pretty excited for the milsim esque night games at gunman tuddenham to coming back. I've got the excitement bug back for a classic skirmish day and gear wise I'm stripping bs stuff but realistic kit (eg, losing the pistol, spare pistol mags etc on a rural kit).

What the hell is your problem, random dude? Do you just get off on repeatedly attacking people you don't know the first thing about? Is that how you get your rocks off, barking orders at strangers? Pathetic.

Real steel magazines would be a no. They are not airsoft. A real steel stock or scope can be used on a toy gun, but a real magazine does not really meet that standard.

I'm not getting any vibration per se, I just wondered if it would cause issues. I mean, I'm amazed my ex wife hadn't knocked all her fillings out with her stuff....🤪

When they've got close to £20k precariously sitting in a PayPal balance, and this election is supposed to help fix a lot of the issues covered in this post, yes it is. When a Constitution is the only thing that binds an unincorporated association, because they have no independent legal personality, then absolutely it matters. The fact that you "don't give a shit" and are arrogant enough to try and speak for others, just shows how ignorant and nonchalant you are in this matter -- so your feeble attempt at condescending tripe, really doesn't matter. Clearly you've never been involved in running such orgs, or you wouldn't be so flippant - but evidently you just had to jump in and have your little dig. Hope you think you're such a big, strong man for barking orders and saying your spiel 🙄 - I know I don't.

More trolling from you, how unoriginal 🙄 I asked a relevant question about the Constitution being disregarded -- which is of paramount importance, given it's the only thing that binds the unincorporated association of UKAPU -- it's members and committee -- together. You, however, made a bunch of petty and unsolicited personal attacks - then thought to push irrelevant personal questions - when my membership of *any* org is neither relevant to the points I raised (or indeed this topic), nor any of your damn business. Oh, and I'm not your "bud," so drop the condescending BS - it's not big, it's not clever, and you're transparent af.

To make your airsoft toy look better 😉

i'd argue it's sufficiently airsoft adjacent to be ok, we don't bat an eyelid at an RS optic or RS furniture so there's precedent that unregulated RS components are fine. all that seperates an rs mag from an airsoft mag is a donor cyma, a dremel and a lot of swearing.

So you are not ukapu then. Just a soapbox troll.

I'm looking forward to the northeast gbbr famas. Not that I'll be able to afford it - should start saving up and stop impulse buying stuff really!

My recommendation for imperium is to go to the ground war day. I really like the site, but get frustrated on skirmish days. Due to the sites size and effectively 2 game zones - it can be like herding 200 cats in and out at the end of games, it's taken upto 20/30 minutes. Ground war is just a morning and afternoon game, if players need extra ammo etc, take it to respawn, or go back to the safe zone under their own steam. Make use of the vehicle mounted MGs if they're working, but they are BB magnets.

Your perception mate. There’s only one person on this thread that’s been ranting and judging and demanding answers. @TacticalWaifuare you actually a member of ukapu? If you are surely there are internal mechanisms for you to use?

Well thank you for that👍

Looking forward to using my new VFC G3 GBBR on Sunday for the first time. Looking forward to attending NAF for the first time this year (I'm expecting terrible airsoft but a good laugh with friends).

I’d say you’re in danger of becoming a cliche.

I really don't know what heinous act ukapu have perpetrated against you that has caused you to become so incensed. By all means go on your crusade,have your rants,put the wrong doers on trial but stop trying to force it upon others dear.

The press officer is just that, if you want to effect change you need to go to the right part of the organisation, go and speak to the chairperson or secretary privately where the conversation can be constructive. There are ways of doing things and I don't believe that you'll get the answers or change you are looking for on a thread in a forum. Better still, if you really want to make changes to the way UKAPU is run then get involved, elected officer or not, I'm sure they'd welcome your passion for ensuring things are done right. Happy to sign up for UKAPU if anyone wants a nomination for a position at the next AGM - once they've given proper notice and we get the nomination in more than 45 days ahead of the vote of course. Personally, I'd not heard of UKAPU before this thread, it's been interesting to find out what they do.

National Finals in October. Pretty excited to have a go at it again after the 2018's terrible result.

LOL, If you think that's a personal attack your the one who needs to get out more, I've not even warmed up.

Looking forward to my new local airsoft site opening up. Also waiting for my new googles with fans to arrive.

Can't you take it up with ukapu directly. Regards

Most sites I've attended use the "tube" type chrono, they tend to struggle with anything full auto, even guns with the slowest rof trigger errors.

I don't need noisy mags to accomplish that feat. Running in the wrong direction with the flag in CTF, getting lost in the woods trying to find respawn, walking into the enemy respawn, dumping half a mag into a bush thinking its a ghillie suit... I think I'm well past the point of saving my credibility. Whilst the boy is set on hicaps, I'm considering some midcaps not so much for the silence but just for the fun/pseudo-realism of mid game reloads. Landwarrior have a set of 5 midcap M4 mags for £20 which seems like a good deal if they work.

For those who haven't seen their emails, or would like to view here are the links. Discord link will follow closer to the time. Weekly reminders will go out on Facebook and Instagram also. https://www.ukapu.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/AGM-Release.pdf https://www.ukapu.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Committee-Release.pdf

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Feel like a lot has been taken out of context here, I posted to check the website is legit as so many red flags started to show after I placed the order, not complain I hadn't got received the batteries yet. Thought that was more clear but obviously!that didn't come across. @TacticalWaifu unfortunately the world where I spend most of my waking hours errors like not sending emails on time or doing something that's been agreed verbally or written are reportable to industry regulators. Whilst I get people are only human I sometimes forgot the ridiculous standards I'm used to having to follow. If you haven't worked in an environment like that be glad. Sorry if I got everyone's back riled up because I was concerned about the website being a scam. Although the fact no one seemed concerned over the other red flags who hadn't used the website before is worrying in some ways. In this case harmless in another case you never know. Tldr: website is legit, I've annoyed everyone for spotting some potential scam signs. Will say reason I didn't call is because they aren't going to admit a scam over the phone and with written proof (emails) it makes it easier to raise disputes in the future if needed. Force of habit getting stuff in writing as ensures it never becomes a he said, she said argument.

Do you hear your own words when you speak out loud?

@Speedy Sloth I've worked in areas where "errors" are a lot more serious than simply "not sending emails on time" and have much greater punishments than "being reportable to industry regulators," but go off. Perhaps since you have it easier, you should "be glad" 🙃 There is no regulation that says a shop must send you a dispatch email, nor is there any "regulator" to report them to, never mind any kind of punishment for failing to send an email, whether through incompetence or human/system error... the idea of holding them accountable for something so trivial is ridiculous. Nobody is saying they "weren't concerned," simply that they weren't having a knee-jerk reaction and jumping to the worst possible conclusion... spelling mistakes happen frequently, and if your "3 years old" claim is simply based on the meaningless copyright date in the footer, that could easily be created when the template went up, and just be a text string at the time, i.e. not linked dynamically to the current year. No big deal. Within 48 hours you're writing ragey posts full of assumption and vitriol, and declaring it to likely be a scam because of *checks notes* some website parts not being updated, and not receiving a dispatch email... When it seems apparently they may well have been too busy actually dispatching the item, to keep to your ridiculous standards. If you think they're not going to admit they're a scam over the phone, and need it in writing, (1) you can record calls, and (2) they're not about to admit they're a scam in writing either, if that was the case 😂 Surely for someone who deals with such "regulation" you would realize that? If you're that worked-up and can't be bothered to pick up the phone, maybe pause for a moment of reflection before going off half-cocked on forum posts, then having your tail between your legs only a few hours later 😅 Oh, and people who make puerile remarks like @Rogerborg are seemingly just children with no grasp of decency or forum rules 🤷‍♀️

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