cheaters (rant)

[jcheeseright]

6 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said:

Half the time people think they are hitting someone they really are not. See it all the time.

 

I'd say it's a lot more than half the time, especially in woodland.  

[Adolf Hamster]

13 minutes ago, Nicky blue eyes said:

so.....Just playing devils advacat here, the same shots hitting/ missing people can look different from a different veiw point i.e. a couple of months ago I was shooting at some bloke and the bbs were going in every which way but on target. I could clearly see this. My pal was less than 6 feet from me and was convinced that they were all on target and got a bit stroppy about it. Its just one of those things.

 

 

this happens an awful lot that is true. which is why i rarely get annoyed about it because it doesn't bother me unless i'm 100% sure.

 

today i was sure on every occasion because it was close enough to watch the bb's actually bounce off them.

[Guest scalawag]

2 hours ago, Prisce said:

 

I personally agree that a Marshall shouldn’t say this, but I can understand why they do, if you told someone to do something and then they constantly did something else, you’d go about it another way.

 

Exactly, If they are consistantly ignoring what marshals are asking them to do then alternative action needs to be taken, but the alternative action is to escort them from the field for the rest of that game or day, and/or to ask them not to come back again, not to turn a blind eye to the sort of thing you are advocating players do.  A marshal ignoring a player taking things into their own hands is as bad as one that ignores the cheating in the first place as far as I can see.  No place for Marshals like that in the game.

[Rogerborg]

26 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said:

Half the time people think they are hitting someone they really are not. See it all the time.

 

For the record, if you're aiming at my torso and missing, please feel free to rage-fire at my head and miss by even more.

[Guest pierce09]

46 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

 

For the record, if you're aiming at my torso and missing, please feel free to rage-fire at my head and miss by even more.

 

I'm cuddly. If you're missing my torso, you're exceptionally inept and should probably quit playing!

[Wo1f]

I’ve only ever really had two bad experiences at my local site. It’s usually great week in, week out. 

 

One was overkilling speedsofters and the other was a Teflon youtuber. Hit him about 3 times with some tracers at maybe 6 meters, watched them bounce off him.. He then took a step to the side to hide behind the wall of the tent he was in, only to magically renter the game 20 seconds later and shoot me. He didn’t get mediced back in as he was the only one on his team in that area of the game site. 

[ghostwalker]

Up there with non hit takers for me are 2 other types.

The ghosts who insist on taking the hit (well played) then giving a full on description of exactly where you are. Usually accompanied with some gestures and frantic pointing.I am waiting for the day the guy hands his mate a Polaroid photo to boot.

 

But more annoying than that. Snipers who can't guesstimate 20-25 meters. You want to use that single action high power rifle fine, but learn to judge distances and stop shooting people in the face under your MED. Had a prime example of it yesterday with a guy who couldn't have been more than 10-15 meters from me, took his shot straight to the lower chin, which drew a few choice words along with a fair amount of blood and a stare that would have made medusa blush.

I know there are some fantastic snipers with good skill and who regularly switch to a side arm just in case the player is in MED and all credit to them. But to those that cant judge the distance or just wont. Stop telling your girl that's 6 inches. Is aint.

Rant mode DISENGAGED.

[Samurai]

I marshall sometimes. A few times people wave me down, point to a guy and tell me that he is not taking his hits.

Not much I can do. I look for a while and see nothing special happening. Then I try to remember the guy and check on him later. I can't decide after the incident happens if he didn't take his hits or the shooter just thought he hits the target. I have never been able to catch someone cheating as a marshall. I could point out a few times that the shooter didn't have the range, BBs were falling short.

As a player, most of the times I see someone not taking his hits, I go and play on an other part of the site and grunt about it for a while. Sometimes the cheater does win some headshots just for good measure. He screws up many other player's day so he is a bad person and if you don't want to get headshots wear full protection or don't play airsoft. Part of the game.

[ghostwalker]

I don't mind headshots and know a lot of the time its all i offer as a target aside from a shoulder or foot. But yeah shooting with a sniper well under MED. Thats a gear grinder for sure,

[Rogerborg]

1 hour ago, Samurai said:

I marshall sometimes. A few times people wave me down, point to a guy and tell me that he is not taking his hits. Not much I can do.

 

Test shots?  Maybe not so practical outdoors, but I've had a few playing CQB.  It's fully warned about in the briefings, not that it stopped one comrade in arms from going off on one about a bleeping marshal shooting him in the bleeping back, what the bleeping bleep was that all about.

 

Test shot, mate.

 

Yeah, but why the bleeping bleep did he bleeping shoot me when I wasn't doing anything wrong.

 

Test shot, mate, just to see if you're taking hits. Maybe had a report about someone dressed like you, might not even have been you, don't take it so persona-

 

But, but, the bleeping bleeper bleeping bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

 

Honestly, I wonder if there should be a short multiple choice test required before playing.

[AshOnSnow]

Strange I should wake up to find this thread, last night I had a dream my sniper rifle was finally working, and I went to an Airsoft game and whenever someone didn’t call their hits I sent them a .40 right on the nose

[Gepard]

I like sites that do the test shots.

 

If its gotten to a point where somebody calls an admin over to check if you're calling your hits then you can be sure something is suspect. I don't understand how somebody could be upset over that. It's 30 seconds of inconvenience to prove you're a legit player. Get on with your day already. 

 

If I was helping out for a day I'd carry a MK23 around and shoot the suspect from a couple metres away. Don't call your hit? Get your ass to the safe zone and miss out a round. 

 

 

 

[clumpyedge]

Just now, Gepard said:

I like sites that do the test shots.

 

If its gotten to a point where somebody calls an admin over to check if you're calling your hits then you can be sure something is suspect. I don't understand how somebody could be upset over that. It's 30 seconds of inconvenience to prove you're a legit player. Get on with your day already. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is how we handle things, the player who is tested is never asked to go back to respawn and just carries on after being told it was a test shot. 99% of people are happy with it and get the reasons why...

[Greg147]

I do like the idea of test shots, but damn can they be annoying. The only few times I've been on the receiving end was at a woodland site, and I've been test-shotted while defending, lying down at the base of a tree picking off attackers. Marshal's shot me the back, I've called it and stood up, he's told me to play on, and I've laid back down again. But in standing up I've already revealed my position, and in those 10-15 seconds the other team has moved across the area I was holding them off on. So a few seconds later I'm out anyway. Both times this happened.

 

Nothing can be done about it I suppose. Just kind of annoying in those circumstances.

[clumpyedge]

19 minutes ago, Greg147 said:

I do like the idea of test shots, but damn can they be annoying. The only few times I've been on the receiving end was at a woodland site, and I've been test-shotted while defending, lying down at the base of a tree picking off attackers. Marshal's shot me the back, I've called it and stood up, he's told me to play on, and I've laid back down again. But in standing up I've already revealed my position, and in those 10-15 seconds the other team has moved across the area I was holding them off on. So a few seconds later I'm out anyway. Both times this happened.

 

Nothing can be done about it I suppose. Just kind of annoying in those circumstances.

 

From when I've had to do it I only test shot people when they aren't in an area where its going to be detrimental to their day. If they are defending something or in a position where they are doing well that's when it comes down to keeping a keen eye on them. There a time and a place for it and it should only be done when its not going to be affecting the game play. The situation you describe should have just been dealt with differently IMO 

[ImTriggerHappy]

1 hour ago, clumpyedge said:

 

 

This is how we handle things, the player who is tested is never asked to go back to respawn and just carries on after being told it was a test shot. 99% of people are happy with it and get the reasons why...

I really don't like marshalls test shooting and firmly believe that no one in a high vis should carry a gun.

 

Player marshalls who can be alerted and be on the watch for them and then test within the game is a better solution to my mind. 

 

Like most things in airsoft 99% are never the issue but you always have to cater for the 1% unfortunately.

[clumpyedge]

Just now, ImTriggerHappy said:

I really don't like marshalls test shooting and firmly believe that no one in a high vis should carry a gun.

 

Player marshalls who can be alerted and be on the watch for them and then test within the game is a better solution to my mind. 

 

Like most things in airsoft 99% are never the issue but you always have to cater for the 1% unfortunately.

 

 

Id prefer not to have to gun out into the field but we have to carry spare rental guns out with us to accommodate for any issues rental players may have so they are with us regardless of test shooting (80 acre site its easier to carry spares than run back to the safe zone if a gun does go down)

 

Player marshals I don't agree with as I've been to sites before where it appears that the "marshal" makes decisions to make the game go in their teams favor, I think marshals should be as impartial as possible.

 

Agreed, looking at some issues that come up on a game day if an outsider who had never played airsoft before just came and watched and listened, some of the issues that do come up can on occasion sound rather cringe worthy coming from (for the most part) grown men playing with toy guns...

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

12 minutes ago, clumpyedge said:

 

 

Id prefer not to have to gun out into the field but we have to carry spare rental guns out with us to accommodate for any issues rental players may have so they are with us regardless of test shooting (80 acre site its easier to carry spares than run back to the safe zone if a gun does go down)

 

Player marshals I don't agree with as I've been to sites before where it appears that the "marshal" makes decisions to make the game go in their teams favor, I think marshals should be as impartial as possible.

 

Player marshalls can work as long the marshall side comes first. 

I do agree it is open to abuse which is why you have to be very careful who does it and good player matshalls are hide to find.

The Mall runs them to good effect.

[clumpyedge]

Just now, ImTriggerHappy said:

Player marshalls can work as long the marshall side comes first. 

I do agree it is open to abuse which is why you have to be very careful who does it and good player matshalls are hide to find.

The Mall runs them to good effect.

 

I still haven't played there so cant comment but for now I'll take your word for it.

[TheKempyy]

19 hours ago, Prisce said:

Hiding behind a tree, shooting white BBs.

Every skirmish I have been to, says this exact same joke 

[Arwen]

4 hours ago, ghostwalker said:

But more annoying than that. Snipers who can't guesstimate 20-25 meters. You want to use that single action high power rifle fine, but learn to judge distances and stop shooting people in the face under your MED.

This is the primary reason I am not buying a sniper/converting to DMR. I like that sort of playing style some times, but I suck at judging distances while playing. I've thankfully never been hit at close range by anything more than an aeg (that I know of). But I have seen the outcome of someone being hit in the back of their shoulder after standing up (after creeping forward for a while)  at precisely the wrong time, into a snipers firing line. It looked agony!  

 

As for test shots, I agree with hi-vis marshals carrying them out, as well as player marshals. However if one team has a player marshals, all teams should have one I think.   

[Albiscuit]

21 minutes ago, Arwen said:

. But I have seen the outcome of someone being hit in the back of their shoulder after standing up (after creeping forward for a while)  at precisely the wrong time, into a snipers firing line. It looked agony!  

 

As for test shots, I agree with hi-vis marshals carrying them out, as well as player marshals. However if one team has a player marshals, all teams should have one I think.   

 

Took a freindly fire shot to the back of the head after respawning (no bloody clue as to why our snipers were BEHIND our spawn!!!!) took me off my feet for a while, had to sit down. Was in so much pain!!

 

Test shots work outdoors but then I have seen marshals using them to shoot their mates in the arse so depend on the site. Player marshals work well at The Mall but havent really seem them be much useful anywhere else (except maybe Epsom Tunnels, helping to break through bottle necks and direct traffic etc) in woodland not so much!

 

I suppose its all relative to the site!

[allyballybee]

21 hours ago, Aengus said:

The fat bloke in multicam and a plate carrier with an m4, nuprol goggles and lower mesh.

 

It's almost like you knew i had my first game yesterday...haha!

 

As a new player, my local site did some test shots and i personally didn't mind at all. Seems a relatively straight forward way to make sure, especially if there are a lot of first timers or new people, the playing ground is as clear of cheating as they can. Ideally in a site with mostly regular players know the deal you probably wouldn't need them but i was test shot 10mins into the second game, not being used to being shot and being in a safe position, i heard the pop and it took a second to register it was a hit before i put my hand up and called it, marshall called test hit and i was immediately back in before i'd walked five feet. 

 

That being said, the test shot got a bit of my kit and didnt hurt,  the more experienced guy who got hit two mins into the first game with a test shot to the unprotected elbow.....he had a few choice expletives for the marshall!

[Aengus]

16 hours ago, Wo1f said:

overkilling speedsofters

An unfortunate result of the people mentioned in this thread. Where do you play? I can probably tell you who if not the team that were doing it so you could have a chat to them and try to resolve the issue. Much more reasonable bunch than most think.

[Wo1f]

29 minutes ago, Aengus said:

An unfortunate result of the people mentioned in this thread. Where do you play? I can probably tell you who if not the team that were doing it so you could have a chat to them and try to resolve the issue. Much more reasonable bunch than most think.

The played at the mill once. They were actually really friendly, nice guys. It didn’t have anything to do with cheating though. It was just their play style from the off. Using semi like it was full auto and putting a million bb’s into people. Nice kids, but when it’s drilled into the regulars to not spam the trigger and they turn up it’s annoying.