The 'What have you just bought' Thread

[Lozart]

Just now, SLACK_JAW said:

 

 

He's posting this like some sort of "gotcha moment" LOL. Where did I say barrel length is the Primary factor in determining range. Show me this quote and I'll withdraw the contents of my bank account to you.  Not only that but I'll name you lord of the seven kingdoms and protector of the realms?
I said I wanted to buy a longer barrelled platform.

 

Man when you get old, shit just fucks up. Is this a peak into my future? Is this me in 20 years time. Incoherent, ramblings and mute points?

 

*moot point. You need to learn shit before you can forget it.

[Speedbird_666]

1 minute ago, Lozart said:

 

*moot point. You need to learn shit before you can forget it.

That's hilarious, I was typing the exact same thing.

[gunbod007]

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

1 minute ago, Lozart said:

 

*moot point. You need to learn shit before you can forget it.

 

Woah Nice! There's something left in the tank. You were doing the rope-a-dope a minute go but you came out swinging on that one. Caught me with a good one. 

[gunbod007]

30 minutes ago, AlphaBear said:

Don’t mention the P word 😱Luke from Negative Airsoft will get on here and start using the C word 😱😱😱😱

Cyma? haha

[Lozart]

Just now, SLACK_JAW said:

 

Woah Nice! There's something left in the tank. You were doing the rope-a-dope a minute go but you came out swinging on that one. Caught me with a good one. 

 

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

3 minutes ago, Lozart said:

 

 

You can misinterpret, misrepresent and confuse statements all day? I have no doubt in my mind you can. That's a part of growing old actually

[Speedbird_666]

Well, this was fun. Haven't had keyboard fisticuffs in a while.

 

We're obviously being trolled now though....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[gunbod007]

So I actually can't even remember what this argument is about but hey lets fuel the flames. If it is about barrel length surely a tight bore is more important for range? Or at least the benefit from a longer barrel is less without a tighter bore as if your BB is traveling with the same FPS down a longer barrel yes you will get some extra range but also a longer distance with not the best air pressure behind it. 

Disclaimer: I have literally no idea what I am on about and that's ok. Just curious.

[DerDer]

1 minute ago, gunbod007 said:

So I actually can't even remember what this argument is about but hey lets fuel the flames. If it is about barrel length surely a tight bore is more important for range? Or at least the benefit from a longer barrel is less without a tighter bore as if your BB is traveling with the same FPS down a longer barrel yes you will get some extra range but also a longer distance with not the best air pressure behind it. 

Disclaimer: I have literally no idea what I am on about and that's ok. Just curious.

A while ago 455mm was being thrown around as the optimum barrel length. Now it might have its origins in sniper forums or a particular TM model was similar length and had great performance.  

[Speedbird_666]

Just now, gunbod007 said:

So I actually can't even remember what this argument is about but hey lets fuel the flames. If it is about barrel length surely a tight bore is more important for range? Or at least the benefit from a longer barrel is less without a tighter bore as if your BB is traveling with the same FPS down a longer barrel yes you will get some extra range but also a longer distance with not the best air pressure behind it. 

Disclaimer: I have literally no idea what I am on about and that's ok. Just curious.

 

 

That's a well-trodden subject that's been debated many times before. Let's not go into it here shall we?

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

5 minutes ago, gunbod007 said:

So I actually can't even remember what this argument is about but hey lets fuel the flames. If it is about barrel length surely a tight bore is more important for range? Or at least the benefit from a longer barrel is less without a tighter bore as if your BB is traveling with the same FPS down a longer barrel yes you will get some extra range but also a longer distance with not the best air pressure behind it. 

Disclaimer: I have literally no idea what I am on about and that's ok. Just curious.

 

You are 100% correct on that too. The rest of the guys here are arguing with some guy named "SLACK_JOE" who apparently said that barrel length is the determining factor of range. I'm trying to find that comment myself. Can't seem to find it anywhere Or this shady SLACK_JOE character they've mistaken me for. Apparently this was said some time within the past 24 hours or so.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Mr. No_Face

[Skara]

Barrel length does not affect range nor accuracy on its own, it affects the energy output and the cylinder to barrel volume ratio.

Actually over the years we have seen better performance from shorter barrels than with longer ones.

Also tight bores cause more issues than benefits.

 

 

Back on topic:

 

Just received a new ZCI 6.02x247 because my previous one has some nasty shit inside that throws my bbs way off. The old one will be used for experiments

Along with it, a pair of SHS nozzles with o-rings to enhance the seal on my M4s and two of those round brass delayers that should help with the increased nozzle length (21.45mm instead of the stock 21.30).

And a bottle of what I thought was silicone oil but turned out to be silicone spray -.-

 

On the "should arrive within the next Ice Age" list:

 

bunch of parts for the AK from @ak2m4 and my replacement PTS EPG grip + a bottle of proper silicone oil from Emperion (hopefully they'll throw in one of their dank patches too)

Edited March 17, 2021 by Skara

[gunbod007]

3 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

 

You are 100% correct on that too. The rest of the guys here are arguing with some guy named "SLACK_JOE" who apparently said that barrel length is the determining factor of range. I'm trying to find that comment myself. Can't seem to find it anywhere Or this shady SLACK_JOE character they've mistaken me for. Apparently this was said some time within the past 24 hours or so.

I am saying if I were you and you want to smaller platform but you want to play woodland. Would sticking a tight bore that's equal length in fix everything?

Edited March 17, 2021 by gunbod007

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

11 minutes ago, Skara said:

Barrel length does not affect range nor accuracy on its own, it affects the energy output and the cylinder to barrel volume ratio.

Actually over the years we have seen better performance from shorter barrels than with longer ones.

 

Again this is also correct. I hope that SLACK_JOE guy is reading this. Because this SLACK_JOE character apparently said that Barrel length is the determining factor of range. (Message yet to be discovered) He said that via messaging opting to buy a regular sized platform RIF with a barrel length longer than that of a firehawk and TK45c. Not only did SLACK_JOE say this, he damn well declared this unequivocally whilst slamming his fist on the desk.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Mr. No_Face

[Adolf Hamster]

well that escalated quickly 

 

my original point, to be clear, is that because barrel length alone is a very minor factor for the performance of a pew, so if you want to run a short gun outdoors then you absolutely can and there's no need to feel like you're at a performance disadvantage for doing so.

 

the other factors such as energy output, fps consistency, ammo quality/weight, hop setup etc all matter so much more for the task of actually slinging a bb downrange. hell the most accurate, well performing long range gun i ever built was on a 247mm barrel.

 

likewise if you want to run a longer barreled gun, either for having the length to poke through hedges or just because you like longer guns, that's also perfectly fine.

 

remember because you want to is as valid a reason as any in this hobby.

 

13 minutes ago, DerDer said:

A while ago 455mm was being thrown around as the optimum barrel length. Now it might have its origins in sniper forums or a particular TM model was similar length and had great performance.  

 

i believe the argument there is that's 455 is the longest inner barrel that can be correctly volumed by a standard full stroke aeg cylinder, hence why some platforms (such as SR25's and SVD's) can come with extended cylinders/pistons to get a bit more volume.

 

of course it's a moot point when talking about bolties, gbbr's or hpa's given those operate differently.

[Speedbird_666]

18 minutes ago, gunbod007 said:

I am saying if I were you and you want to smaller platform but you want to play woodland. Would sticking a tight bore that's equal length in fix everything?

 

*Sigh* if there is a single factor with inner barrels that determines overall performance, it's not length OR the bore size. It's the quality of the internal finish.

 

You can take a mediocre stock brass barrel, and lap it to a mirror finish. Assuming it's straight and true, it will shoot comparably or better than many aftermarket barrels. Hop units, rubbers and nubs have a much bigger impact on range and accuracy.

 

Edit - Back on topic, I had these arrive today for various projects:

Edited March 17, 2021 by Speedbird_666

[DerDer]

2 minutes ago, Adolf Hamster said:

 

 

 

i believe the argument there is that's 455 is the longest inner barrel that can be correctly volumed by a standard full stroke aeg cylinder, hence why some platforms (such as SR25's and SVD's) can come with extended cylinders/pistons to get a bit more volume.

 

of course it's a moot point when talking about bolties, gbbr's or hpa's given those operate differently.

A while back remember reading that it was beyond 509mm that negative effects kick it. That was a US based forum, so that might have been with the mindset of dropping a M120 spring in everything. 

 

The 455mm makes more sense.   Thanks for the info. 

 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

1 minute ago, DerDer said:

A while back remember reading that it was beyond 509mm that negative effects kick it. That was a US based forum, so that might have been with the mindset of dropping a M120 spring in everything. 

 

The 455mm makes more sense.   Thanks for the info. 

 

 

 

it's probably a range, 455ish being optimal and decreasing to 509ish before it really becomes noticable.

 

of course having said all that, for the 20 seconds when my mg42 was still an aeg it had no problems with accuracy whatsoever on a 650mm barrel......

[DerDer]

3 minutes ago, Adolf Hamster said:

 

it's probably a range, 455ish being optimal and decreasing to 509ish before it really becomes noticable.

 

of course having said all that, for the 20 seconds when my mg42 was still an aeg it had no problems with accuracy whatsoever on a 650mm barrel......

All the more reason we need a HK 21 aeg, close to optimum barrel length.  

[L3wisD]

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[AlphaBear]

1 minute ago, L3wisD said:

Corr this thread is busy, what's going on in he.....

 

Nothing... move along nothing to see... these are not the droids you're looking for.....

[Piman]

10 minutes ago, Adolf Hamster said:

 

it's probably a range, 455ish being optimal and decreasing to 509ish before it really becomes noticable.

 

of course having said all that, for the 20 seconds when my mg42 was still an aeg it had no problems with accuracy whatsoever on a 650mm barrel......

Yes it would be a range as it is apparent the required volume ratio is very much dependent on the BB weight you are using.

 

1 minute ago, L3wisD said:

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Thank you for this. It made me smile after a difficult week dealing with UPS. I still can't stop smiling now.

[Guest DrAlexanderTobacco]

 

[alxndrhll]

I am absolutely baffled how a post saying words to the effect of 'you don't need a RIF with a longer barrel to perform well in woodland games, but if you want to buy one go for it' turned into this. But whatever, at the rip roaring age of 30 I'm clearly very senile and that's somehow a statement that needed to be debated... for 2 entire pages.

 

I wish you good luck with whatever it is you wind up buying, I for one am thoroughly looking forward to using my 'specialised platform' at my next CQB games. I've seemingly been incorrectly calling it a pistol, but now I know better...  so thanks for that.