novioman Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Anybody have concerns of how airsoft will go if Labour win. Are they any worse than the tories when it comes to our sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Emergencychimps Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 There isn't a single mention of Airsoft on the labour website, nothing for firearm and a reference to tackling knife crime for gun. It's very hard to say, though I don't think there's real demand for banning the sport in the UK and seems widely known about, so if people wanted it banned/cancelled I'm sure there would be people calling for it. Tommikka, novioman, Tackle and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cannonfodder Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 Whatever colour the next government is they've got bigger things to worry about than a bunch of people running around the woods playing soldiers Ian Bru, Skullchewer, Rogerborg and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Popular Post Tackle Posted May 28 Moderators Popular Post Share Posted May 28 If everyone continues to be sensible, we shouldn't have a problem with pretty much any government, irrespective of party, after all our expensive hobby generates an equally high level of taxation, which governments love. It's when people behave like cnuts & the media get hold of it, or criminal activity involving rifs, then the light is on us, & if said event coincides with a government fuckup, of which their are many, then we need to start sweating lol. John_W, Chev Chelios, Tommikka and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asomodai Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) The only party I am aware of that has something that might affect us is the Green Party. It's pretty light on substance and doesn't mention our existing defence for Airsoft. But they may just make us turn our RIFs into IFs. Edited May 28 by Asomodai Tactical Pith Helmet, Tackle, Shamal and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chev Chelios Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Will never forget that thunder cunt Hazel Blears was Labour so always a worry. Tackle, Hudson and Duff Beer 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tackle Posted May 28 Moderators Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Asomodai said: The only party I am aware of that has something that might affect us is the Green Party. It's pretty light on substance and doesn't mention our existing defence for Airsoft. But they may just make us turn our RIFs into IFs. Normally I would have said they don't have a snowballs, but after Trump & Boris, which I never believed would happen, & given the current level of distrust of all the main parties, I'm making no predictions this time🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cannonfodder Posted May 28 Popular Post Share Posted May 28 (edited) A quick look on Google shows the green party only have 83 candidates named as standing so they've got as much chance of winning as I've got at becoming the next Pope. Full disclosure, I could only find 1 website with the list so I can't be sure how accurate it is Edit because I posted before finishing. Alot of people will be put off voting green by their other policies such as increasing road fuel tax and cutting funding for road building Edited May 28 by Cannonfodder Miêu Anh-Nguyễn, John_W, Gryph and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Asomodai said: The only party I am aware of that has something that might affect us is the Green Party. It's pretty light on substance and doesn't mention our existing defence for Airsoft. But they may just make us turn our RIFs into IFs. That is an extract from a brief dated in 2004, which relates to what subsequently went into consultation and ended up with the VCRA legislation (covering the quoted film & theatrical uses and clear IF definition) and the additional statutory instrument which resulted in the Skirmisher defence https://www.greenparty.org.uk/files/reports/2004/Gun control.htm As others have posted airsoft (and other recreational gun like activities) aren’t really on the politicians radars. Scotlands politics is a very different beast with a long tradition in politicians targeting ‘guns’ Back in the day when paintball arrived in the UK the nearest legislation was for low powered air weapons, but paintball ran on CO2 (and still does for some) The difference between CO2 and air was ignored for the majority of the UK but not for Scotland. In England paintball (on legal & safe commercial sites) was ignored, but in Scotland paintball sites were regularly raided and prosecuted for firearms offences. Ultimately CO2 was added to the law on air weapons In recent years the ‘air weapon certificate’ was introduced, and though the specific legislation wording could be interpreted differently an ‘intent’ was shown that airsoft and paintball would not be air weapons under that legislation (Airsoft has also had explicit amendments to firearms legislation excluding compliant airsoft guns from being firearms / air weapons - paintball has no such exclusion but Home Office guidelines set paintball aside provided other projectiles are not used) Don’t be a dick, keep showing ourselves as ‘responsible voices’ on the forums etc and don’t act in a knee jerk manner in anticipation of a knee jerk action Cannonfodder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asomodai Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 14 minutes ago, Tommikka said: That is an extract from a brief dated in 2004, which relates to what subsequently went into consultation and ended up with the VCRA legislation (covering the quoted film & theatrical uses and clear IF definition) and the additional statutory instrument which resulted in the Skirmisher defence https://www.greenparty.org.uk/files/reports/2004/Gun control.htm As others have posted airsoft (and other recreational gun like activities) aren’t really on the politicians radars. It's still on their policy list updated from 2024 Crime and Justice - Policy (greenparty.org.uk) 33 minutes ago, Cannonfodder said: A quick look on Google shows the green party only have 83 candidates named as standing so they've got as much chance of winning as I've got at becoming the next Pope. Full disclosure, I could only find 1 website with the list so I can't be sure how accurate it is Edit because I posted before finishing. Alot of people will be put off voting green by their other policies such as increasing road fuel tax and cutting funding for road building Current polls suggest that Labour are unlikely to win an outright majority and will need a second party to prop up a government. It will probably be Lib Dems, but could be Green party if they only need a few votes. Tackle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannonfodder Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Look how well it went when the green party formed a coalition government with the SNP in Scotland I think any party would seriously think twice before entering into a joint government with them The Waco Kid and John_W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 39 minutes ago, Asomodai said: It's still on their policy list updated from 2024 Crime and Justice - Policy (greenparty.org.uk) It is, and the last amendment for that section is 2009 It’s a 15 to 20 year old section, which has had the predicted legislation put into place (subject to consultation and review) If they were to pursue further controls as detailed they would still be subject to the legislative process (though the skirmisher defence isn’t core legislation and can be subject to the strike of a pen) there remains the matter of getting through the majorities required to raise legislation, including every MP that gets petitioned by their constituents - especially businesses/employers in their constituency. Tag on the preservation argument from sites and land owners about use of the forests of the UK generating a level of income to the owning farmer from the site and the associated rates & taxes going into the treasury It is of course a potential risk, but one that can be managed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadyC Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 I’m a Green Party member, we’re embroiled in leadership power struggles, internal politics and various other operational issues. I wouldn’t worry, and if we did get a sniff at an election win, which we won’t, but if we did I assure you I’d personally take a significantly more active role as a party member to ensure the right people are put in front of the right decision makers to ensure the longevity of airsoft. As much as I or others don’t want to believe it, party donors have a lot of sway in the Green Party, a fat donation could wipe that policy right off the manifesto. Tommikka and ruskitseller 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krisz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) Airsoft is a 'huge' business so I'd be extremely suprised if any gov would like to ban it. What goverments (aka corrupt politicians and their cronies) love more than anything? You guessed it right. Taxpayers' money. Edited May 30 by Krisz Tommikka and Galvatron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted May 28 Supporters Share Posted May 28 Challenge accepted. "And the next game scenario..." will become "And the script outline for the next improvised theatrical performance scene..." The Waco Kid and Gryph 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 1 hour ago, Rogerborg said: Challenge accepted. "And the next game scenario..." will become "And the script outline for the next improvised theatrical performance scene..." No worries …. FilmSim has it covered, just ensure that scenario has an actual scenario complete with some embedded NPC role play marshals and market your ‘immersive theatrical experience’ I’ve even just come up with a bare bones overview that could be marketed for anyone from the experienced to the one off amateur taster, with a low(er) budget homage to Bill Murray, I’m provisionally calling it “The man who knew even less” This will work best in those non standard urban environments, and even better we don’t need to wait for disused shopping centres. Make it a full immersive experience so that customers never really know who is an NPC, a player or just random public what could go wrong? ruskitseller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter511 Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Honestly as a grown adult who has a mortgage and has seen that payment go from "tm recoil" to "GBLS DAS416" a month courtesy of Truss (elected by the Tory membership) whilst seeing a 14 year slump in my actual take home pay honestly, I love airsoft, but the less the current tory party (who by the way have a very nasty tendency of knee jerk bans and sneaking stuff into legality through "questionable" means) have to do with running the country the happier I am. EvilMonkee, Beorn and lokkers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GenuineGerman Posted May 29 Popular Post Share Posted May 29 My personal view is that it doesn’t matter what clowns/party are in charge. They would all ban anything in order to get votes so political affiliation doesn’t matter. All these people want is to line their pockets at the expense of us. Apologies but I’m so disenfranchised with politics in this country. I can’t see it being better under labour or greens or anyone else for that matter. Galvatron, novioman, Tackle and 8 others 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_W Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 To echo comments above, we worry about Labour, but the Conservatives (who opposed the VCRA) had 14 years to repeal the act but didn't. The VCRA was a hobby horse of Hazel Blears, and was derived from the unpublished Home Office Consultation on Firearms (allegedly never published because the public gave the wrong answers, and unavailable through FOI). The manifesto pledge was: "Most respondents to the consultation wanted some controls on Replica Weapons, particularly sales to under 18s". This as we know became a total ban, partially overturned by the Lords. It was also based on a blip in the figures caused by instructions from the Home Office to Police forces to record unidentified weapons (where no weapon was fired or recovered so type uncertain) as "replicas" rather than "unknown". There are figures for the paltry number of convictions under the act since 2007 and no evidence that Replicas are a problem. As others have said, the next Government has much bigger things to worry about and the best thing the Airsoft Community can do is not draw attention to itself. On 28/05/2024 at 15:36, Asomodai said: Current polls suggest that Labour are unlikely to win an outright majority and will need a second party to prop up a government. It will probably be Lib Dems, but could be Green party if they only need a few votes. One outlying poll predicted that. Other polls with larger numbers of respondent are still showing a 20-22 point lead. Rogerborg and Tackle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj1986 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 On 28/05/2024 at 14:48, Tackle said: Normally I would have said they don't have a snowballs, but after Trump & Boris, which I never believed would happen, & given the current level of distrust of all the main parties, I'm making no predictions this time🤔 I'm sure all 19 people who vote for the Green party appreciate your enthusiasm Tackle, Galvatron and Cannonfodder 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tackle Posted May 30 Moderators Share Posted May 30 29 minutes ago, rj1986 said: I'm sure all 19 people who vote for the Green party appreciate your enthusiasm They got in locally up the road from me, place had been staunch Conservative for decades, & then proceeded to do feck all except upset people with daft money wasting ideas🤬 Lol, you reap what you sow 🤣 novioman, The Waco Kid and Gryph 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Let's face it, all politicians are self serving cunts, the mere desire to do the job should automatically disqualify someone from doing so. Whoever gets in will do whatever they think will get them more votes so they can spend longer on the gravy train. Fortunatly the UK airsoft scene provides lots of jobs and some decent tax revenue , which are good arguments for not fucking about with it. Tackle and TheFull9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinkempsell Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Nick G said: Fortunatly the UK airsoft scene provides lots of jobs and some decent tax revenue , which are good arguments for not fucking about with it. Have you ever heard of someone called Thatcher? Nick G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick G Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 57 minutes ago, gavinkempsell said: Have you ever heard of someone called Thatcher? I remember her well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunter511 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 59 minutes ago, gavinkempsell said: Have you ever heard of someone called Thatcher? But airsofters aren't unionised...... which would have helped with Thatcher (and Starmer) Nick G and gavinkempsell 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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