Airsoft Experience

[Tommikka]

11 hours ago, Seth_K said:

 

I’m more interested in what everyone else is thinking, I put a setting out there as an example. 

A ‘battlesim’ could on a basic basis be a themed scenario game (which can relate to reality, be based on a film/show/book ... potentially subject to copyright, or be an original idea by the organizers)

 

Our original scenario event was based on reality (Takhur Ghar, aka the battle of Roberts Ridge), we scripted the theme and missions, then let the players take it on from that

We followed TG1 with sequels and prequels becoming increasingly random or dropping back to a bit of reality:

From a genuine battle in Afghanistan, to bringing in Columbian drug dealers and Somali pirates, the in etc into the afghan village (the Colombians as a faction based on a twist by players in the previous game and the Somalis from an idea we put in the ring - just in time for the Somalis to diversify into areas we were making up

We slightly went back to reality on a TG game themed around Tora Bora, but the latter half of the game had me playing zombie bin laden

We ended when we had produced 5 takhur ghar games. 

 

 

We’ve rewritten the original Falklands history to make an alternate history anniversary falklands game (and I’ve also played a Falklands game based on the true version)

 

The rest of our scenarios have probably been split 50/50 as film/book based and completely unique 

 

We have run competition based games, such as pistol challenge, the battle royale series to end up with a winning team or individual

 

 We have also run ‘experience’ based events, where it’s not a game but things such as teaching skills and then using them

 

A more closer ‘battle sim’ would be a re-enactment rather than a game 

 

All of the above exist, and there are people

who run them and participate  - horses for courses, and different people enjoy different things 

 

 

[Druid799]

I like gamedays with a theme or ‘script’ now and again only time I can be a bit uneasy if there based on real recent events , Afghan/Iraq/Falklands/etc things that are still quite vivid in peoples minds for what ever reason , but the one caveat to this is gamedays based around a film of the event , BHD/etc .

[Seth_Erebor]

2 hours ago, Tackle said:

no offence Seth, but this is like all your other posts, you keep dangling a carrot in front of us, essentially hinting at a new airsoft experience etc, & picking our brains for advice & opinions, but nothing solid or proven with your intent ?, you talk the talk but when you gonna walk the walk, so to speak ?

 

I wouldn't read so much into it, we're just chatting. All I do is try to ask questions that a bit outside the norm, who wants to see another "what are good upgrades" thread?

[Immortal]

9 hours ago, Seth_K said:

I wouldn't read so much into it, we're just chatting. All I do is try to ask questions that a bit outside the norm, who wants to see another "what are good upgrades" thread?

 

It would be a little different if you could propose something for a change rather than just using us for market research.

 

I'm all for something different but just being used as a free resource gets a little old...

[Rogerborg]

Indeed.  Seth, I would be genuinely interested in seeing the sales pitch for whatever is going on in your head.

[Seth_Erebor]

2 hours ago, Immortal said:

 

It would be a little different if you could propose something for a change rather than just using us for market research.

 

I'm all for something different but just being used as a free resource gets a little old...

 

I'm not sure what I can propose here, but I can restrict my threads from general questions for the sake of conversation to ones I personally need/want an answer to.

 

6 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

Indeed.  Seth, I would be genuinely interested in seeing the sales pitch for whatever is going on in your head.

 

Separate from the how, what I desire (and no one is obligated to come along) is... simply put I feel like a skirmish is just the same as playing Call of Duty and that game gives me a headache.

 

Ok, so battlesims/milsims would be more down my street, fine, but we all know the main difference between them and a skirmish is the attitude of the players and the mindset that they bring.

 

I wish to think about ammo count, specific missions that the squad I'm in has to achieve, how I can make a half decent plan that might involve other squads.

I'm not saying how it can be done, I'm stating that it would be a nice option to have in the grand scheme of Airsoft.

 

I've recently started watching SEAL Team, long overdue, the planning that goes into each mission is interesting, that doesn't translate directly over to airsoft and most of the time you can't get a group together to practice anything and even then it will all fall apart but I want the opportunity to fail.

 

But we all play for different reasons and I'm sure there will be many who just want to blast away, that's fine, I'll be right there with you.

 

I'd like to jump back to ammo count, I remember watching a video about a USMC fireteam leader and he said they have to consider if they have enough ammo before they engage a target. That is not a consideration in a skirmish, but anything that makes a player stop and think 2/3 steps ahead is a good thing.

 

I think all the profit in Airsoft is taken East and health/exercise is a key missing component, soon I think we might start to see the Athlete Airsofter.

Alphonse and Will regularly post updates on their visits to the gym, that must be getting a reaction of sorts, I'm going to check what kind of comments are being left.

 

Airsoft is far bigger than what we think, it's just very dispersed, Graham over to Airsoft Nation is doing great work with the App, you can check out an interview with him on the Chairsofter podcast. But we have a very long way to go, we're at the pong stage in gaming, there are so many innovations that we aren't struggling for new ideas. Then when we have exhausted that, AR, when it finally works well outdoors, will probably overtake all of that.

 

To sum up, I'm not talking about what I want to do, but what I want as a player. 

 

@Rogerborg the sales pitch, for an investor or player?

Investor - niche market, hidden potential in x, y and z.

Player - live your fantasy: medic, sas, sniper, whatever

[Tackle]

Ok, so you want to "alter" the mindset of some/many players, good luck with that lol, I appreciate your points but feel you've got an uphill battle to achieve it, prob be easier to herd cats 😏

What about your proposed "m25/east London site in 2019" ?, care to share any nuggets with us ?, fine if you don't want to divulge precise location yet but what about size/features/layout etc ?

[Seth_Erebor]

40 minutes ago, Tackle said:

Ok, so you want to "alter" the mindset of some/many players, good luck with that lol, I appreciate your points but feel you've got an uphill battle to achieve it, prob be easier to herd cats 😏

What about your proposed "m25/east London site in 2019" ?, care to share any nuggets with us ?, fine if you don't want to divulge precise location yet but what about size/features/layout etc ?

 

True, I heard about the method that battlefield used, you could say "fake teamwork", so people give out medic bags, etc, because it gives them points not because it helps me. 

 

16 Ha initially, outdoor CQB site, on a trial basis.

Then we can discuss the option to expand to 900-1000 Ha.

 

The CQB site is similar to paintball in that you have a square field with obstacles inside the zone, however, that's a bit dead, so we will have multiple connected zones that can be controlled by having a majority of players over a set period of time or capturing/holding an objective within the zone.

 

Each zone has multiple entrances which are the spawn points, you can only enter a spawn point into a zone that your team controls unless you have none, then the game would be balanced.

Marshals will be in-game and on platforms above each zone which should make it very easy to see hits (I hope).

 

Each player is given a wireless PTT connected to our custom smartphone, showing where they are, squad/teammates and the game status. All you need to bring is a 3.5mm headset (z-Tac)/earphones or buy one (earphones) for like 99p, they're dead cheap.

 

Each zone, depending on our budget will be themed, jungle, snow, etc.

 

 

 

 

[Tiercel]

Ugh exercise and airsoft? "Athlete airsofter" sounds like a total chode. Theres enough posing wankers in trackies at the gym being all dude-bro and "muh gainz" and discussing utter boring drivel like the latest whey protein, they can stay there I dont want them at my airsoft days. 

 

Sounds like you just want mil-sim, go play that. 

[Prisce]

2 hours ago, Seth_K said:

 

I'm not sure what I can propose here, but I can restrict my threads from general questions for the sake of conversation to ones I personally need/want an answer to.

 

 

Separate from the how, what I desire (and no one is obligated to come along) is... simply put I feel like a skirmish is just the same as playing Call of Duty and that game gives me a headache.

 

Ok, so battlesims/milsims would be more down my street, fine, but we all know the main difference between them and a skirmish is the attitude of the players and the mindset that they bring.

 

I wish to think about ammo count, specific missions that the squad I'm in has to achieve, how I can make a half decent plan that might involve other squads.

I'm not saying how it can be done, I'm stating that it would be a nice option to have in the grand scheme of Airsoft.

 

I've recently started watching SEAL Team, long overdue, the planning that goes into each mission is interesting, that doesn't translate directly over to airsoft and most of the time you can't get a group together to practice anything and even then it will all fall apart but I want the opportunity to fail.

 

But we all play for different reasons and I'm sure there will be many who just want to blast away, that's fine, I'll be right there with you.

 

I'd like to jump back to ammo count, I remember watching a video about a USMC fireteam leader and he said they have to consider if they have enough ammo before they engage a target. That is not a consideration in a skirmish, but anything that makes a player stop and think 2/3 steps ahead is a good thing.

 

I think all the profit in Airsoft is taken East and health/exercise is a key missing component, soon I think we might start to see the Athlete Airsofter.

Alphonse and Will regularly post updates on their visits to the gym, that must be getting a reaction of sorts, I'm going to check what kind of comments are being left.

 

Airsoft is far bigger than what we think, it's just very dispersed, Graham over to Airsoft Nation is doing great work with the App, you can check out an interview with him on the Chairsofter podcast. But we have a very long way to go, we're at the pong stage in gaming, there are so many innovations that we aren't struggling for new ideas. Then when we have exhausted that, AR, when it finally works well outdoors, will probably overtake all of that.

 

To sum up, I'm not talking about what I want to do, but what I want as a player. 

 

@Rogerborg the sales pitch, for an investor or player?

Investor - niche market, hidden potential in x, y and z.

Player - live your fantasy: medic, sas, sniper, whatever

Have you actually played Airsoft?

[L3wisD]

1 hour ago, Seth_K said:

We will have multiple connected zones.

Each zone, depending on our budget will be themed, jungle, snow, etc.

 

Seth at the opening of his new site:

 

[Seth_Erebor]

19 minutes ago, L3wisD said:

 

Seth at the opening of his new site:

 

 

I'm gonna buy that coat now

[EDcase]

Nvm

[Guest DrAlexanderTobacco]

Seth K: I want to build a highly specialised hybrid Airsoft/Military training environment where everyone strives to be the best of the best, such that I can eventually contract my expert services out to the Ministry of Defense

 

Also Seth K: how do i fight indoors?

[Seth_Erebor]

3 minutes ago, DrAlexanderTobacco said:

Seth K: I want to build a highly specialised hybrid Airsoft/Military training environment where everyone strives to be the best of the best, such that I can eventually contract my expert services out to the Ministry of Defense

 

Also Seth K: how do i fight indoors?

 

lol

 

1 hour ago, L3wisD said:

 

Seth at the opening of his new site:

 

 

Have you seen this? 

 

https://www.lovetheatre.com/tickets/20005/The-Crystal-Maze-LIVE-Experience-West-End

 

Bit pricey, but is probably a good laugh.

[SgtTalbert]

So you're making a blue fox tracker app basically?

Do you play airsoft yourself? ever played a milsim? battlesim? plinked in your garden?
 

You certainly can fail at airsoft, down to Squad level, just got to a Stirling themed game.

Your Gun and Loadout section on your profile are high end...yet you're questions dont back up someone whos played long enough to even need a 152. Unless its a dummy. 

 

I must admit, i find it strange there isnt any photos of your kit or you playing.

Honestly, unless you are a troll and just want your post count going up. You need to get setup with people who play and have decent knowledge because your 'pipe dreams' will fail. 

[Seth_Erebor]

24 minutes ago, SgtTalbert said:

So you're making a blue fox tracker app basically?

Do you play airsoft yourself? ever played a milsim? battlesim? plinked in your garden?
 

You certainly can fail at airsoft, down to Squad level, just got to a Stirling themed game.

Your Gun and Loadout section on your profile are high end...yet you're questions dont back up someone whos played long enough to even need a 152. Unless its a dummy. 

 

I must admit, i find it strange there isnt any photos of your kit or you playing.

Honestly, unless you are a troll and just want your post count going up. You need to get setup with people who play and have decent knowledge because your 'pipe dreams' will fail. 

 

Jet's app is nice, as is Battle Tac and Battle Map, but it's just an app. It won't change the game, it can only enable the organiser to do a few things differently such as checking that people are actually going back to respawn, etc

For me, software is only the foundation.

 

Yeah, not for a while though. I should play more but I don't feel the draw.

 

Thanks, I'm currently getting my FRV belt all set up. The TRI 152 is nice, the TCA one is nicer. But this is what I really want.

 

I ask because although I feel I know the answer, I like to hear other opinions, even on the most basic of subjects. I did a poll for favourite roles a while back on one of the facebook groups and Medic smashed Sniper by a long shot, who knew! After that, I revised my medic player abilities, so in a milsim game injuries would be located to an area on your body and the medic would have to heal you accordingly with the tools at hand. So feedback is good.

 

Pictures of me playing, I have a few, nothing worth looking at. But I'll add a pic of my SCAR.

 

 

The Tac Light in on the other side, lol.

 

 

[hitmanNo2]

For those still wondering what exactly is battlesim.

 

https://legionairsoftevents.com/battlesim-events

[karldavies]

13 hours ago, hitmanNo2 said:

For those still wondering what exactly is battlesim.

 

https://legionairsoftevents.com/battlesim-events

Different to our battle sims up here then. Ours are a carefully planned event designed to drop the players in to a complex scenario against players who volunteer to play scripted roles. We have simulated airstrikes, armored vehicles and full contact vehicle pursuits.Its all pre planned and carefully coordinated but from the players perspective you feel like you are in the middle of a chaotic scene in an action movie haha.These can last anything from 4 hours to 24 depending on the event.

[Rogerborg]

3 hours ago, karldavies said:

Different to our battle sims up here then

 

Mmm, which is why I asked.  It's not a big enough niche to be well defined.  Heck "milsim" means different things to different people.

 

Magazine limits is a reasonable idea, but I'd note that putting any limitations on play will put off some potential players.  We're not starting from an infinite pool.

 

A squad position display system, well, now that one I haven't heard before.  There's your USP. 

[Seth_Erebor]

29 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

A squad position display system, well, now that one I haven't heard before.  There's your USP. 

 

I thought so for a long time, but anyone can do that. It will really help with the: what game are we playing, what’s the rules, is that guy over there on my team, who's winning, who won, when’s lunch, where’s the respawn mate?, hey Dave where are you?, etc

 

I know it will wind some people up, but as much as a game changer making all those questions go away is, still I believe there is a lot more to strive for. 

 

The landscape itself is a feature to be crafted, moulded with carefully designed sightlines and positions of cover/concealment. Just call me Capability Seth 😂

 

I have 8 clear parts to my project, so we’ve cover two now. 

 

The RIF is a work of art, it will be so god-like you’ll need to be worthy just to pick it up. 

Recoil, Sound, Battery-less tracer system, all the benefits of HPA without the tank and so much more, 13 individual upgrades including a Hop-up unit that gives you an edge(oooo, how Seth???). 

 

Screw this messed up system with every RIF coming out of the East being almost identical, we need sites making them and reinvesting it back in the community. 

Only then will you get the polished services you deserve, no offence but everything Airsoft-related seems to ran out the back of a shed. 

[SgtTalbert]

1 hour ago, Seth_K said:

 

I thought so for a long time, but anyone can do that. It will really help with the: what game are we playing, what’s the rules, is that guy over there on my team, who's winning, who won, when’s lunch, where’s the respawn mate?, hey Dave where are you?, etc

 

I know it will wind some people up, but as much as a game changer making all those questions go away is, still I believe there is a lot more to strive for. 

 

The landscape itself is a feature to be crafted, moulded with carefully designed sightlines and positions of cover/concealment. Just call me Capability Seth 😂

 

I have 8 clear parts to my project, so we’ve cover two now. 

 

The RIF is a work of art, it will be so god-like you’ll need to be worthy just to pick it up. 

Recoil, Sound, Battery-less tracer system, all the benefits of HPA without the tank and so much more, 13 individual upgrades including a Hop-up unit that gives you an edge(oooo, how Seth???). 

 

Screw this messed up system with every RIF coming out of the East being almost identical, we need sites making them and reinvesting it back in the community. 

Only then will you get the polished services you deserve, no offence but everything Airsoft-related seems to ran out the back of a shed. 

 

[Prisce]

1 hour ago, Seth_K said:

 

I thought so for a long time, but anyone can do that. It will really help with the: what game are we playing, what’s the rules, is that guy over there on my team, who's winning, who won, when’s lunch, where’s the respawn mate?, hey Dave where are you?, etc

 

I know it will wind some people up, but as much as a game changer making all those questions go away is, still I believe there is a lot more to strive for. 

 

The landscape itself is a feature to be crafted, moulded with carefully designed sightlines and positions of cover/concealment. Just call me Capability Seth 😂

 

I have 8 clear parts to my project, so we’ve cover two now. 

 

The RIF is a work of art, it will be so god-like you’ll need to be worthy just to pick it up. 

Recoil, Sound, Battery-less tracer system, all the benefits of HPA without the tank and so much more, 13 individual upgrades including a Hop-up unit that gives you an edge(oooo, how Seth???). 

 

Screw this messed up system with every RIF coming out of the East being almost identical, we need sites making them and reinvesting it back in the community. 

Only then will you get the polished services you deserve, no offence but everything Airsoft-related seems to ran out the back of a shed. 

🤦🏻‍♂️ 

 

 

[Tackle]

2 hours ago, Seth_K said:

 

I thought so for a long time, but anyone can do that. It will really help with the: what game are we playing, what’s the rules, is that guy over there on my team, who's winning, who won, when’s lunch, where’s the respawn mate?, hey Dave where are you?, etc

 

I know it will wind some people up, but as much as a game changer making all those questions go away is, still I believe there is a lot more to strive for. 

 

The landscape itself is a feature to be crafted, moulded with carefully designed sightlines and positions of cover/concealment. Just call me Capability Seth 😂

 

I have 8 clear parts to my project, so we’ve cover two now. 

 

The RIF is a work of art, it will be so god-like you’ll need to be worthy just to pick it up. 

Recoil, Sound, Battery-less tracer system, all the benefits of HPA without the tank and so much more, 13 individual upgrades including a Hop-up unit that gives you an edge(oooo, how Seth???). 

 

Screw this messed up system with every RIF coming out of the East being almost identical, we need sites making them and reinvesting it back in the community. 

Only then will you get the polished services you deserve, no offence but everything Airsoft-related seems to ran out the back of a shed. 

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

2 hours ago, Seth_K said:

 

The RIF is a work of art, it will be so god-like you’ll need to be worthy just to pick it up. 

Recoil, Sound, Battery-less tracer system, all the benefits of HPA without the tank and so much more, 13 individual upgrades including a Hop-up unit that gives you an edge(oooo, how Seth???). 

 

I am already god-like so feel your rif will be unworthy.

 

As for what you have just claimed it will be let me give a really heartfelt "BULLSHIT".