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KS1 is finished now the chonky suppressor has arrived.

I will say that my arguments for higher limits will come from a position of bias as I pretty much always do long range airsoft and it's what I enjoy (my longest hit in a game was 124m, but it was basically archery from an elevated position), but with how good hop ups are now, bolt actions and DMRs are a lot less useful with their current power levels. Granted, I still use them because it's what I enjoy, but in practical airsoft terms you gain very little from using a bolt action or DMR. I've done... a lot of testing with this, because I'm a big long-range enthusiast, and I'll go into details below. The TL:DR is that hops are good, and in airsoft practicality (not range accuracy, but a "I can hit that airsofter over there" in game) a regular 1.14J gun can hit players at the same ranges as a 2.32J bolt action rifle. I don't think we'd ever get higher limits anyway, because airsoft power limits are set by law (1.3J max full auto, 2.5J max semi/bolt action) and so we are constrained by that. The only variation tends to be on DMRs as even for me living in the black hole of airsoft sites that is Sussex, I've seen them at 1.48J (Gunman), 1.64J (Southdown/Allsorts), 1.88J (Worthing/Driver Wood) and 2.32J (Shift Your RIFT) Now if you want to indulge in my autism, read on. If not, stop reading and save yourself before it's too late... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll preface what I'm about to say by saying that I don't care if your "bolt action hits 100m easily". I've been building sniper rifles and DMRs for decades, and I know in my eyes what the effective range is for a 2.3J gun; every time someone makes what I consider an outlandish or exaggerated claim about their gun's range, I have found it to be overstated 100% of the time and usually shoot worse than my rifles. My measure for "effective range" is being capable of hitting a man-sized target at least 8/10 times, preferably 9/10 times, in ideal shooting conditions (no wind, good visibility). All of my findings are from just me spending time on the range and tinkering with different guns and different approaches, so it's all coming where the shooter has the same standards. A well-tuned bolt action will hit a man-sized target pretty accurately at 75m with a relatively flat trajectory (a tiny little bump at the end of the shot). You'll probably be able to hit 85m as well, but that requires a bit of angling or increasing the hop up a little bit. You can hit out further, though at this point there's progressively more and more luck involved with the shot as range increases. It will involve more aggressive angling of the gun and the gun is probably moving when you rack the bolt with each shot, making it a challenge to reset to the exact same position. A well-tuned DMR (assuming 1.88J) will hit a man-sized target pretty accurately at 70m with much the same trajectory. You'll probably be able to hit out to 75 - 80m as well with the same practices of angling or increasing hop a little bit. It's also easier to do this as it's quicker and easier to make follow up shots with a DMR and so you might be able to hit a target out to that same 85m as the bolt action as you can walk in your shots a lot easier. Again, you can hit out further, but as range increases, so does the luck element. A well-tuned 1.14J gun will hit a man-sized target pretty accurately at ~55m with the same trajectory. You can also hit 60m pretty often too with gentle angling. However, the big difference here is that you have full-auto, and therefore the angling component of getting more range is so much easier. After all, a hit is a hit and it doesn't matter if that hit was one well placed shot, or 100 BBs sprayed at an angle. I haven't managed to hit 85m (partially because the tree canopy stopped me from that aggressive level of angling), but I have easily hit 75m with a 1.14J gun by flipping it to full auto and spraying at an angle (the target is metal and makes a delightfully audible pinging noise when hit). Is it as accurate as a bolt action rifle hitting it with 9/10 shots? No. Does that matter in airsoft gameplay terms? Not really; a hit is still a hit and that player is still going back to respawn. You also have no MED, which is nice. Accuracy by volume is a big part of effectiveness in airsoft because of how inaccurate our guns are.

No I wouldn't. I really don't know if it's sadism but i don't get the more power lot in airsoft!. I have seen people get their teeth shot out, i have had to dig BBs out my arm, still got a mark on my collar over a month after i got shot. All at UK limits most from long range shots. It's been proved time again you don't need power to get range and personally think airsoft would better with out snipers.

I do get the wish to replicate and differentiate the various weapon types and representative calibers. If we're talking dream worlds then in addition I'd change the fire rates to more accurately match the real world counterparts.

The angle myself and some others are aiming for with our dreamworld scenarios would be to bring some diversity to the field by giving pews some minor flavour of their real world utility. Eg why lug around a heavy support gun when your stuck at the same effective ranges as someone with a featherweight m4 and box mag. But to re-stress this is an entirely hypothetical dream world where people play fair. And frankly i'd take a flat 0.5j legal limit and enforced 2-tones if it came with a magic spell that would make everyone play fair. Can be fun to dream though.

I would 100%. If I had my way it'd be: CQB: 1.14J - no MED (pistols, shotguns, rifles, SMGs) Assault: 1.5J - 10m MED, semi-only (rifles) Gunner: 1.88J - 30m MED, must be deployed, must carry a 1.14J sidearm/secondary (LMGs, MMGs, HMGs) Marksman: 2.32J - 30m MED, semi-only, no trigger spam, must carry a 1.14J sidearm/secondary (DMRs) Sniper: 3J - 30m MED, bolt action rifles only, must carry a 1.14J sidearm/secondary Still no bang rule. If someone comes up on you and they're within your MED, that's a you problem and you will have to use your pistol/secondary. However, with great power comes great responsibility, and with how much shooting within MED, trigger spam and LMGs used like m4s I already see at game days, do I trust most airsofters with that kind of power? No, I don't think I do... 😂

No thank you, I agree that we have a good balance in all the categories. Airsoft guns are like vehicles, if a car has 100bhp & you tune it to 200bhp, you don't therefore get double its top speed or acceleration, airsoft guns are no different, plus harnessing that extra power is another issue with hops etc. And extra power will likely shorten the lifespan of the internals, another negative 👎

I think the current limits keep gameplay at a close range that encourages action and fun. I think having higher range is good up to a point (see paintball vs airsoft) but the 50-70m limit from a well tuned 1.14j airsoft gun is about right. Also, might be an unpopular opinion, but getting shot at close range by 1.14j hurts plenty for me. Much higher and I'd be less inclined to do CQB.

We not explored hpa yet, maybe in the future. I've still got dive bottle and a pump in storage. Told the wife this hobby wouldn't get too expensive... Oops.

Hops are good, but not alone. I seperate "range" from "practical range". The former is merely the ability to lob rounds far whereas the latter is actually hitting what you're aiming at more often than not. Yes raw joules will increase the range on their own, but how much of that you'll actually be able to utilise is a very different story. A well dialled in gun with good ammo is going to be effective in far more situations than a leaky mess lobbing bulldog .12's. The chase for accuracy may seem pointless to some, but my experience is it does unlock opportunities. Yes most airsoft pews are accurate to "minute of bad guy" but how often is said guy standing out in the open waiting to be hit? The ability to hit a head, or a hand, or a leg poking out of cover, or reliably post rounds through a small opening makes more difference than how much smackdown said rounds have if said smackdown happens once a mag rather than on command. Of course this is all assuming that actually hitting the target yeilds results, unfortunately airsoft is infested with poor quality targets and even a broadside from a 40-mike of hpa'd plastic extruder can be ignored by those clad in sufficient plot armour.

It’s a start, but the proportions are all wrong for that pistol mount …… ….. though in a slightly more serious manner, I have actually played a pistol with a 13ci cylinder attached It worked, but could not be held outstretched on target for long ….. Running a pistol challenge and needing more pistols in the team inventory gave me the “justification” to “invest” in a twin, which then simplified to going akimbo and managing reloads & CO2 changes

Couple of bits landed today , WAS grab bag from ebay chuffed with that but this mots popped up and was far to cheap to pass up ! Was dreading it having the i5 gearbox but nope looks a stock g&p box

In principle, I love this idea, especially the fire rate, ive always thought it should match the irl equivalent, to that end, mag capacities should also match. But In our "irl" we've got hpa dsg stubby box mag m4's, used by Teflon coated 360 no-scopers, what chance have we got of a reasonably level playing field😬

Back in the days when Battle Lakes regularly attracted 100+ players, Tony’s briefing used to mention that full auto capable rifles and SMGs were limited to a 3 (possibly 2?) second burst, but for LMGs, “it’s your gearbox”. LMGs in airsoft can be used to suppress, which is what they do in reality, albeit at risk to the gearbox.

I see no reason whatever to increase power limits; what need would we be resolving by doing so?

I agree with marcusr. I think we currently have the best balance

I love Cal 6mm Gas Blowback Replica it's my favourite model of gun

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To stop shrapnel, debris etc from hitting them in the face. Military and police have been using them for a long time

Bear in mind that I’m an interloper on here, with my real world being paintball and that airsoft is an aside, so don’t be distracted by my HPA which is the right way for the ‘serious’ paintballer (noting that I reverted that pistol to 12 gram CO2 keeping the HPA mod for specific uses) In airsoft the defaults will be battery and green gas etc. Only go to HPA when it is truely justified for that gun - it could bring more problems depending on site to ensure that you can get HPA fills Other than there often being less understanding of HPA in airsoft (or deliberate ‘ignorance’ to exploit bypassing regular locks etc) it’s a backward step to tether a RIF to an airline with a bottle on your back

Get him practising this...

As others have said, I don't think we'll see an increase mainly because the Firearms Act would have to be revised and I'd imagine it would affect more than just airsoft. Even if that happened, you'd expect liability insurance premiums to rise so that increases the cost on sites and running costs are why so many have shut down. I personally wouldn't change a great deal with joule limits because MEDs are not observed by too many people on DMRs or bolties. If the legal and insurance constraints were raised, I'd only be amenable to changes if people could be trusted to respect MEDs and if dedicated marksmen would keep only one round in the air at a time.

To be honest, this has been my experience as well. My VFC G3 is effective out to 50-60m and that's probably my best option. My MP7 a bit shy of that, at 50m before it has dispersion all over the place. I do find with a boltie that while the range doesn't really increase, the precision does a little. Whether that's just using heavier BBs or the actual power bump, I dunno. My boltie is basically a Mk12 build with a bolt action built in, so I get the ergonomics of a good DMR but higher power from it being a boltie. I find I can get first shot hits a lot more often at long ranges, and it makes peeking engagements a lot easier to win. I can hit a head or exposed arsecheek at the range my standard guns could hope to hit a man sized target.

I can't say I've ever had more than a small bruise from Airsoft, and I once did a Halloween CQB game in a witch outfit. (Did sting a bit though). I don't think you gain *that much* range from higher power limits. Chatting to Americans with an average 1.5J limit for automatic Airsoft guns, they seem to have pretty comparable effective ranges. It's all in the hop up after all. That said, I would like the legal limits relaxed based on RoF like we have now, for special events. Those Americans have pretty free rein so they can do GPMGs running at DMR limits, and .50 stationary HMGs running at 2.3J. I think that would be really fun for MilSim and LARP, could be managed by making sure the operator isn't a dick, and it would be nice if it wasn't technically illegal to have that.

Interesting, some really good arguments for and against which I hadn’t considered myself. (OT - this is why it annoys me when forums die out in favour of content farms like Reddit et al, you don’t get the same level of discourse). I think I must be one of the masochists - about 75% of my time is spent at my local CQB site in shorts and t-shirt (I’m not a speed softer, I just get too hot) and whilst I do tend to finish with a lot of big bruises and welts, higher power wouldn’t put me off (within reason). I suppose to qualify my original question, my practical ideal power limit is that which encourages the most participation, causes the least headaches for site operators and attracts the minimum attention from regulation or bad press - I’ve had enough hobbies die out as it is without another one being killed off. Nonetheless, I’ve never used anything over UK limits, I’d love to back to back test on the same gun to see what different power limits really do to range and accuracy to see if there is Goldilocks style zone for an airsoft gun.

Current UK airsoft limits are limited by the Police and Crime bill, providing you are within the limit your RIF / IF is fully exempted from firearms legislation Previously, though there were Home Office guidelines (which I believe were similar to the now legal limit) the legal limit was under firearms legislation for air weapons at 6ft lbs and 12 ft lbs (pistol type and rifle type) Note that there have been legal arguments that the lack of a rifled barrel can make the 6ft lb rule applicable 6ft lbs = 8.13 joules 12ft lbs = 16.27 joules The higher 2.5 joule allowance is 1.8 ft lbs UK airsoft has a nice and simple set of limits which is reinforced by legislation and explicitly excludes (compliant) airsoft from firearms legislation In paintball however, we remain in the murky world of firearms legislation (6/12 ft lbs), case law (max 300fps) Home Office guidelines (with a good working relationship with the UKPSF), and varying interpretations of placement under the VCRA

Quick test fit for photos. It looks the dogs bollocks.

I think it would be a site dependant thing. A site with wide open fields/sightlines could afford a higher general level if managed well. If we throw out any realistic concerns and assume people always stick to the rules and judge things like med correctly free from accidental or intentional breaches i'd work along the lines of: 1j for pews to be used point blank, so cqb sites would have that as a flat peak. So your subguns, shotguns, handguns etc all fall into this category. Up to 1.5j for "assault" style pews outdoors, but with an med to ensure the impact owchie is 1j (i cba doing the math but lets assume it works out that ~10m on 0.48's sees them dropped to 1j) Up to 2j for "battle" rifles, same as before with a higher med calculated to our 1j owchie standard and the requirement that you need to be carrying a bulkier pew to justify it, like a fal or scar h. This would apply to big support guns, but you cant just slap a drum into an arp9 you gotta be lugging around a pkm or fn mag to join that party. Up to 3j for bolty, again you're gonna be landing a chunky med. Those would be maximums, and our hypothetical situation would have sites adjusting limits up/down based on their field characteristics so a dense woodland site might be running flat 1j if the terrain prevents people engaging at any major distance. The idea is that you arent getting hit by anything higher than 1j. Of course this is firmly rooted in a dreamland and in reality such a system would fail spectacularly given even benign isntances like people popping up right infront of a hedge as they pull the trigger on a farther target let alone that sites still dont know the difference between fps and joules and before we acknowledge the existence of the kickingmustangs of this world. In reality i'd be more inclined to go for a flat limit until sites learn how to understand and police energy limits well given everyone shows up with different ammo weights and different gun types, then maybe we could introduce complexity.

For the most part, no. I think we have a very nice balance, however I do sometimes wish it was possible for LMGs to have a higher power limit for a touch more range. You’d need associated rules (MED, only fire mounted etc) but would make them serve more of a purpose than they currently do.

My Jpc 2.0 multicam loadout

Hey all I wanted to make a post here to give a shout-out to Henry at Airsoft Tailoring - https://airsofttailoring.co.uk/ He makes some handmade accessories for Airsoft, and I picked up pretty much all of them from his store. I messaged him as some of the colours I was looking for were out of stock, but he said to order them anyway, and he would make them for me. Let me say these accessories are absolutely great quality, probs better than some I have got from airsoft shops. I will run through some items below as a lot of these are very nice for P90 owners. P90 3D Printer Stand This thing is so simple yet awesome all the same. IT allows me to safely display my P90 without worrying about marks from a gun rail or it falling over. It looks great on the side and shows off the look of the P90(I know it's like Marmite, but as a Stargate Fan, I love it) P90 Quick Release Sling and Strap combo I looked for a good strap for a while. I wanted one that sat nicely on the chest so I could rest the P90 there to pull a sidearm if needed. Most mounts like this are full harnesses. I already run a harness for my belt under a PC, so I didn't want another like that. This strap gave me that option with a quick-release Cobra buckle,too! Very Solid and I feel safe letting go of the RIF P90 Stock Extender A 3D-printed stock extender makes it a little bit nicer to shoulder the SMG if you are a bit taller, but also provides much-needed battery space. Slots on nicely and feels solid. My only minor gripe here is that the extender is grey and doesn't match the rest of the gun, but I may get a rubber butt stock cover anyway, so that doesn't really matter. Barrel Bag A small accessory, sure, but still needed at most sites. Very durable material and has a nice, long elastic too. All in all, If you have a P90 or just want to check out Henry's items, check out his store here: https://airsofttailoring.co.uk/. He has some cool items for P90s, but also some other bits too.

This. Governments are notoriously tight fisted so would pick the cheapest option available (although it also wouldn't surprise me if they doubled the budget doing feasibility studies to tell them what anyone with common sense would already know)

I mean they're using AliExpress gear in Ukraine rn on both sides. Partly out of desperation, partly because something that does a crap job is better than nothing at all.

Ordered an underfolding AK with dong handguard and got a Romanian wire stock AK instead.... Not going to complain!!!

I’m flexible on price boys, truth is that’s what I paid for it, they ain’t getting any cheaper.

Hear is my gun wall I put together with all my Cold War NATO guns. From top to bottom. 1) originally a A&K m240. It's has been converted into a British spec L7a2 GPMG using a blend of real steel parts and custom machined parted and the internals have been replaced with a Daytona gun recoil engine. 2) originally a VFC LAR. Ongoing project, It's being converted into a British/ commonwealth spec l1a1 SLR using a mix of real steel parts and custom machine steel outer barrel and flash eliminator. 3) Vfc M16a1, a recent addition so it's completely bone stock. For now. 3) originally a WE L85A2. It is now a custom built L86A2 that have been put together using a ICS l86 AEG parts and a custom machine outer barrel extension and replica gas piston and gas block. 4) WE L85a2 that is in the process of being converted into a A1 spec replica. Iv machined a A1 clocking handle and I have the a1 front hand guard but I Still need to make a gas block that will allow me to fit the replacement real steel hand guard. The bayonet is a real surplus SA80 one. 5) WE Apache that's got a SLR grip fitted as a fore grip. Not sure what I want to do with replica yet. Probably going to do some sort of operation dynamo SAS type build 6) Originally a WE xm177e1 it's been built to resemble the Car-15 used by Danny archer at the end of the film blood diamond. If you know you know. 7) VFC G3A3. This one is is almost stock. It has an adjustable valve fitted but that's all. I intend to get a nice set of bundeswehr furniture for it. Pistols I'm not a big pistol lover so only got 3 1) WE browning Hi power mk1 2) WE Browning Hi power mk3 3) WE Sig P226 If your reading this thanks for talking the time to read what iv written. I hope you like what iv got to show.

Rebuilt an old S&T IDZ Stock to fit to my VFC after discovering a new one would cost £40+ from China. Also managed to fit an S&T "Enhanced" Gas Block to my standard VFC barrel meaning I don't need to take a gamble on Clutch Precisions shitty QC just for the sake of having a "correct" gas block. All that's left to do now is get the KA4 top rail to replace the plastic IDZ and then my VFC G36KA4 GBBR will be "done" (It never is done though, lets be real...)

I have committed a sin...

I'm looking for a woman named Sarah Connor....

Redid my retro wall when I added the 1903A3, not 100% happy with it TBH but only because a lot of the SMG's are hidden behind the rifles.

@ButcherBill No where near your legendary numbers, hahaha. But all my brit kit together. Getting it ready to take and display at NAF.

Finally added the Uzi to my display.

What days aren’t you home? Asking for a friend ?

Everyone needs a stupid project gun

Every time I think I have too many guns, I remember that @ButcherBill exists ?

As many of you will know, I like to move my toys around every now and then... finding a place for my new URG-I was needed, my AR variants were a little unloved in the corner so centre stage they went (sorry AK's), I've ordered bits n bobs for the URG-I to trick it out (pics to follow) but OMG how skinny is it? I can actually imagine the GI's in VN thinking the first M16's were toys compared with the M14's they had previously. Tried to keep my favourites & gameday pews prominant & easily accessible but I wanted to get them all on the wall so the G36's & Scar-L's aren't where I'd like them to be but a couple of 2 tones are hiding behind the rif's & I'm happy for now. I have an UZI to pop on another wall but my 'tism' won't let me just put it in any gap so a bit of thought will be needed to get that in 'just the right place'. p.s. the SL8/9 isn't in the right place but that's a move for another day.