The 'What have you just bought' Thread

[alxndrhll]

10 minutes ago, Lozart said:

 

OK, let me put it this way - you have 29 posts up to this point. Those of us with higher counts have seen this conversation time and again so it becomes second nature to assume (rightly or wrongly) that the same reasoning is being applied. 

 

As far as the short length of the barrel goes - how would you explain the MK23? That has a 123mm inner barrel and yet is well known for its range and accuracy. The quality of the bore and the effectiveness of the hop unit/nub/rubber combination has far more effect on range and accuracy than an extra 100mm of barrel length.

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

1 minute ago, alxndrhll said:

 

Does posting "clever" memes devalue anything I have said? I certainly don't think so.

[Lozart]

2 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

 

1. Hey man...That's kinda not my problem. (no offense) It's kinda like that "under siege movie" where the bad guy says: "Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups" I would have thought the mention of TK45cs and the firehawk alone would lead you to the fact that I am referencing extremes since they are super specialized platforms.

 

2. MK23? you mean good range for a pistol? Also internal components obviously contribute to the effective range and accuracy nobody is debating that either. 

 

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted. The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same. Past 200mm barrel length you will not get massive improvements in range and accuracy by adding 100mm or so length. The most important factors are bore quality and hop effectiveness. Getting a longer barrelled M4 will not make you more accurate or have way better accuracy unless it also has a more effective hop unit and a better barrel than either your TK45c or your Firehawk (which is ENTIRELY possible given that they aren't the best to begin with). None of which should stop you from buying whatever you please (and I'm sure it won't). 

 

As for the MK23, no I mean good range and accuracy as an absolute regardless of platform.

[Speedbird_666]

25 minutes ago, Lozart said:

The quality of the bore and the effectiveness of the hop unit/nub/rubber combination has far more effect on range and accuracy than an extra 100mm of barrel length.

 

This x1000.

 

16 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

2. MK23? you mean good range for a pistol? Also internal components obviously contribute to the effective range and accuracy nobody is debating that either. 

 

A NBB MK23 can out-range many AEGs and exhibit better accuracy whilst doing so - all with a very short inner barrel. Why do you think so many people are strapping 3d printed carbine kits onto them and using them as DMRs?

 

It was proven in paintball many years ago, and also proven in Airsoft a number of times over the years too that longer barrel length =/= better range or accuracy.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Speedbird_666

[alxndrhll]

10 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

 

Does posting "clever" memes devalue anything I have said? I certainly don't think so.

No, the fact everything you’re saying only serves to spread misinformation is doing that for you.

 

Your ‘specialised platform’ is a version 2 gearbox (with a proprietary tappet plate) and a 6.05 217mm inner barrel, all wrapped up to make it not look entirely like an AR outside... while being precisely that on the inside.

 

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

 

P.S. The Mk23 doesn’t have good range and accuracy ‘for a pistol’, it has good range and accuracy ‘for an airsoft replica’. 

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

19 minutes ago, alxndrhll said:

No, the fact everything you’re saying only serves to spread misinformation is doing that for you.

 

Your ‘specialised platform’ is a version 2 gearbox (with a proprietary tappet plate) and a 6.05 217mm inner barrel, all wrapped up to make it not look entirely like an AR outside... while being precisely that on the inside.

 

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

 

P.S. The Mk23 doesn’t have good range and accuracy ‘for a pistol’, it has good range and accuracy ‘for an airsoft replica’. 

 

- So it's apparent now you don't know what the term "specialised platform" means either?  You instead thought it necessary to fill me in on the mechanics for some reason I do not comprehend

 

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

- At this point in regard to the number of mistranslations, misinterpretations, assumptions I have no reason to believe otherwise.

 

23 minutes ago, Lozart said:

 

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted. The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same. Past 200mm barrel length you will not get massive improvements in range and accuracy by adding 100mm or so length. The most important factors are bore quality and hop effectiveness. Getting a longer barrelled M4 will not make you more accurate or have way better accuracy unless it also has a more effective hop unit and a better barrel than either your TK45c or your Firehawk (which is ENTIRELY possible given that they aren't the best to begin with). None of which should stop you from buying whatever you please (and I'm sure it won't). 

 

As for the MK23, no I mean good range and accuracy as an absolute regardless of platform.

 

 

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted.

I know that. To which I responded it's not my problem if something is interpreted incorrectly. 

 

The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same.

- We've gone in circles again and for some reason you're mentioning accuracy.
 

Hey man, I'm tapping out of this. I will end up sounding like an arsehole and this will turn into a dick measuring contest pretty soon. You guys are a lot older than me and are set in stone in your beliefs. 

 

Edited March 17, 2021 by Mr. No_Face

[C-Diddy]

12 minutes ago, alxndrhll said:

No, the fact everything you’re saying only serves to spread misinformation is doing that for you.

 

Your ‘specialised platform’ is a version 2 gearbox (with a proprietary tappet plate) and a 6.05 217mm inner barrel, all wrapped up to make it not look entirely like an AR outside... while being precisely that on the inside.

 

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

 

P.S. The Mk23 doesn’t have good range and accuracy ‘for a pistol’, it has good range and accuracy ‘for an airsoft replica’. 

 

[Tackle]

6 minutes ago, C-Diddy said:

 

Dunno wtf that was about, but you gotta love anything with "The Dink" in it 😁

[C-Diddy]

Just now, Tackle said:

Dunno wtf that was about, but you gotta love anything with "The Dink" in it 😁

Quickest way to bug out of a thread that's lost its way 🤣

[Alimcd]

There’s hard earned, real-world experience that’s being given out. You seem to be choosing to ignore it.

 

This is a subject that cyclically is thrown-up on the forum and each time the objective fact is that a heavy pellet and a decent rubber contributed to greater effective range far more than a tighter bore or longer barrel. 

 

I feel like we’re only moments away from sorbo pads and AOE

Edited March 17, 2021 by Alimcd

[AlphaBear]

I’m not gonna mention the Marui magic dust. It’s special. We all know that. I wonder how they actually do that? Any thoughts? Anyone? I mean what do I know about Marui’s anyway? Funny they do make  thr awesome MK23 pistol. Coincidence? Naaaah it’s magic. 🤫

[Speedbird_666]

8 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

Hey man, I'm tapping out of this. I will end up sounding like an arsehole and this will turn into a dick measuring contest pretty soon. You guys are a lot older than me and are set in stone in your beliefs.

 

Hey man, there are plenty of Facebook groups for you young'uns. I'm sure there are many on there, with their super-duper tupperware death cannons, that gladly agree with you.

 

In the mean time, us old farts, who've dicked around with these things for literally decades, will keep to the belief that barrel length is not the primary factor in range and accuracy.

 

 

[DerDer]

1 minute ago, Alimcd said:

There’s hard earned, real-world experience that’s being given out. You seem to be choosing to ignore it.

 

This is a subject that cyclically is thrown-up on the forum and each time the objective fact is that a heavy pellet and a decent rubber contributed to greater effective range far more than a tighter bore or longer barrel. 

 

I feel like we’re only moments away from sorbo pads and AOE

Mandatory PFTE tape mention. 

[AlphaBear]

2 minutes ago, C-Diddy said:

Quickest way to bug out of a thread that's lost its way 🤣

Dink has a great beard and haircut. He’s got to be in Seal Team right?

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

3 minutes ago, C-Diddy said:

 

 

Oh yeah. That's me right there abandoning ship. He certainly put his boot to my ass with that final misinterpretation and a side order of irrelevant points. 

Kind of him to Fill me in on the internals of my smg. "Version 2 gear box  with... "GET THIS"... a proprietary tappet plate Well  Golly. 

When Somebody asks you the time you should tell them the history of Chronos.
 

[C-Diddy]

Just now, AlphaBear said:

I’m not gonna mention the Marui magic dust. It’s special. We all know that. I wonder how they actually do that? Any thoughts? Anyone? I mean what do I know about Marui’s anyway? Funny they do make  thr awesome MK23 pistol. Coincidence? Naaaah it’s magic. 🤫

I thought it was bollocks and just a way of getting you to part with more cash. Then I bought my DEVGRU. Pixie dust dude. Got to be 

2 minutes ago, AlphaBear said:

Dink has a great beard and haircut. He’s got to be in Seal Team right?

He's the breacher

[AlphaBear]

1 minute ago, DerDer said:

Mandatory PFTE tape mention. 

Don’t mention the P word 😱Luke from Negative Airsoft will get on here and start using the C word 😱😱😱😱

[alxndrhll]

11 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

 

- So it's apparent now you don't know what the term "specialised platform" means either?  You instead thought it necessary to fill me in on the mechanics for some reason I do not comprehend

 

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

- At this point in regard to the number of mistranslations, misinterpretations, assumptions I have no reason to believe otherwise.

Ohh rest assured there are no mistranslations, misinterpretations or further assumptions (outside of your assumption you need a longer barrel than 217mm for a woodland game, and your assumption we’re all older than you).

There are precisely none of those elements that go into the fact that you seemingly have zero idea what you’re talking about, highlighted by the fact you think throwing terms like ‘specialised platform’ means anything in the realm of toy gnus. Your RIF is an AR with a different set of receivers on it. And based on prior posts, they largely serve to make it heavy (what superb trait for said ‘specialised platform’).

 

And I’m not here for a dick measuring contest, I’m just here in an attempt to ensure no one reads your drivel and falls into the trap that it has any foundation in fact.

[Speedbird_666]

Just now, SLACK_JAW said:

Kind of him to Fill me in on the internals of my smg. "Version 2 gear box  with... "GET THIS"... a proprietary tappet plate Well  Golly.

 

Your 'SMG' is exactly the same on the inside as many other guns, irrespective of their length. That's the point. Your gun is not fucking special. Or in any way a 'specialised'. It's a generic M4 that takes SMG mags. That's it.

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

1 minute ago, Speedbird_666 said:

 

Hey man, there are plenty of Facebook groups for you young'uns. I'm sure there are many on there, with their super-duper tupperware death cannons, that gladly agree with you.

 

In the mean time, us old farts, who've dicked around with these things for literally decades, will keep to the belief that barrel length is not the primary factor in range and accuracy.

 

 

 

And ray guns Too?

whoever said barrel length was the primary factor in range and accuracy? That must have been my evil twin brother "SLACK_JOE" Certainly wasn't me.

See? This is what I mean man...... lol

I may as well be writing Chinese in here. 

 

 

[Lozart]

15 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

 

- So it's apparent now you don't know what the term "specialised platform" means either?  You instead thought it necessary to fill me in on the mechanics for some reason I do not comprehend

 

You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best.

- At this point in regard to the number of mistranslations, misinterpretations, assumptions I have no reason to believe otherwise.

 

 

 

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted.

I know that. To which I responded it's not my problem if something is interpreted incorrectly. 

 

The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same.

- We've gone in circles again and for some reason you're mentioning accuracy.
 

Hey man, I'm tapping out of this. I will end up sounding like an arsehole and this will turn into a dick measuring contest pretty soon. You guys are a lot older than me and are set in stone in your beliefs. 

 

 

Wow...OK.

 

"Specialised platform" is marketing spin. It may be better in a CQB environment purely because it's short but that again isn't entirely true. At it's heart it's exactly the same as every other aeg out there, a motor spins gears that reciprocates a piston to provide motive energy to a BB that is given backspin by the hop as it travels down the barrel. As far as range or accuracy goes those are the parts that matter. Not the length of your handguard or the ergonomics of the mag release.

 

As for age...you know what yes, I am older than you but that is totally irrelevant until it comes to running up hills (my knees are fucked but we've covered that elsewhere). The fact that I've been airsofting for a LOT longer than you IS relevant though because that gives me more real world experience than you have. If we stick to our beliefs then more often than not it's because we're right not because we're "set in stone".

[Speedbird_666]

3 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

whoever said barrel length was the primary factor in range and accuracy?

 

You did, right here

 

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Very little impact? The TK45c is a compact and specialized smg. It's around the same size as a Firehawk with a small barrel to put that in perspective for you. Sure I could take it out on an open field but would I be maximizing my efficiency? I'm not sure I'd be half as productive or effective running such a super short barrelled platform for targets at a distance. Even a traditional M4 would suffice in this instance.

 

And here

 

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I was referring to the extremes of short barrelled platforms like the TK45c or Firehawk which would not perform at the same level as even standard barrel length platforms in those environments.

 

Jog on back to Facebook with your two-tone specialised platform. Your 'knowledge' will be invaluable to the knuckle-draggers over there.

 

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

17 minutes ago, alxndrhll said:

Ohh rest assured there are no mistranslations, misinterpretations or further assumptions (outside of your assumption you need a longer barrel than 217mm for a woodland game, and your assumption we’re all older than you).

There are precisely none of those elements that go into the fact that you seemingly have zero idea what you’re talking about, highlighted by the fact you think throwing terms like ‘specialised platform’ means anything in the realm of toy gnus. Your RIF is an AR with a different set of receivers on it. And based on prior posts, they largely serve to make it heavy (what superb trait for said ‘specialised platform’).

 

And I’m not here for a dick measuring contest, I’m just here in an attempt to ensure no one reads your drivel and falls into the trap that it has any foundation in fact.

 

Ohh rest assured there are no mistranslations, misinterpretations or further assumptions (outside of your assumption you need a longer barrel than 217mm for a woodland game, and your assumption we’re all older than you).

How can I believe anything you say when that's all you've been doing? That's Like trusting Michael Myers to give a you a close shave.

In regard to guessing your ages? I am almost certain since I recognize a number of your from that thread where you disclosed that info. So I know a lot of you are well into your 40s and 50s and I know things don't work how they used to when you reach that milestone. You start to forget etc.

 

16 minutes ago, Speedbird_666 said:

 

Your 'SMG' is exactly the same on the inside as many other guns, irrespective of their length. That's the point. Your gun is not fucking special. Or in any way a 'specialised'. It's a generic M4 that takes SMG mags. That's it.

 

Again not one time in the history of this Earth did I say anything of the sort. Specialised platforms refers to the ergonomics in accordance to the environment. 

CQB= smaller, shorter barrel

Outdoor = mid to large size, longer barrel

 Ergonomically designed and adapted to fit the purpose

4 minutes ago, Speedbird_666 said:

 

You did, right here

 

 

And here

 

 

Jog on back to Facebook with your two-tone specialised platform. Your 'knowledge' will be invaluable to the knuckle-draggers over there.

 

 

- If you think this is what I said. That barrel length is the "PRIMARY" deciding factor of range. Than I fear the worst for you dude. That's frightening levels of ignorance or stupidity. It's one or the other dude.

Edited March 17, 2021 by Mr. No_Face

[Lozart]

9 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

 

 

whoever said barrel length was the primary factor in range and accuracy?

 

 

17 hours ago, SLACK_JAW said:

I was under the assumption that I might have to buy a longer barrelled platform for mil-sim and woodland games.

 

10 hours ago, SLACK_JAW said:

 

 

Very little impact? The TK45c is a compact and specialized smg. It's around the same size as a Firehawk with a small barrel to put that in perspective for you. Sure I could take it out on an open field but would I be maximizing my efficiency? I'm not sure I'd be half as productive or effective running such a super short barrelled platform for targets at a distance. Even a traditional M4 would suffice in this instance.

 

 

 

So yeah. That's why we all started trying to help.

 

But hey, you go for it. Just remember to get those push ups in, M4s and LA85s weigh more than your super specialised SMGs.

 

5 minutes ago, SLACK_JAW said:

Again not one time in the history of this Earth did I say anything of the sort. Specialised platforms refers to the ergonomics in accordance to the environment. 

CQB= smaller, shorter barrel

Outdoor = mid to large size, longer barrel

 Ergonomically designed and adapted to fit the purpose

 

 

You said that you assumed you'd need a longer barrelled gun to play outdoors, we explained why you didn't need to. All you've done since then is tell us that we're all wrong and that you didn't actually say that. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

 

 

 

[Guest Mr. No_Face]

1 minute ago, Lozart said:

 

 

 

 

So yeah. That's why we all started trying to help.

 

But hey, you go for it. Just remember to get those push ups in, M4s and LA85s weigh more than your super specialised SMGs.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Lozart said:

17 hours ago, SLACK_JAW said:

I was under the assumption that I might have to buy a longer barrelled platform for mil-sim and woodland games.

 

He's posting this like some sort of "gotcha moment" LOL. Where did I say barrel length is the Primary factor in determining range. Show me this quote and I'll withdraw the contents of my bank account to you.  Not only that but I'll name you lord of the seven kingdoms and protector of the realms?
I said I wanted to buy a longer barrelled platform.

 

Man when you get old, shit just fucks up. Is this a peak into my future? Is this me in 20 years time. Incoherent, ramblings and mute points?