Airsoft in the rain

[clumpyedge]

3 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

 

Demonstrably untrue.

 

 

 

There we go.

 

We're talking about people who have already decided to leave the site.

 

All you are in control of is your reaction to that.

 

Now, do you think that taking the piss out of them will make them:

 

A) More likely to turn up again in future.

B) Less likely to turn up again in future.

 

This isn't hypothetical, I've seen how it goes for reenactment groups where members were berated for not showing enough loyalty.

 

 

 

Imagine my shock.

 

Ah, nit picking must be one of your other hobbies?

[E21A]

 

11 minutes ago, Immortal said:

 

But seriously I do, I like the atmosphere, it's cool.

 

Same here, it weeds out the moaners and you end up with people who are just there for a laugh. In my experience anyway. 

[Guest DrAlexanderTobacco]

4 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

 

 

Now, do you think that taking the piss out of them will make them:

 

A) More likely to turn up again in future.

B) Less likely to turn up again in future.

 

Irrespective of the morals of piss-taking, I spoke to Legion (game runners for both this rainy day + the ill-fated night game they ran earlier this year that Asomodai reviewed) - they said that if stuff like that keeps up, they'd simply stop offering games if they suspected gameplay would stop halfway through.

 

I'd be very annoyed if interesting games on exciting sites would get cancelled because people can't be arsed to check the forecast (like@AmberYooToob has done!), couldn't be arsed to play on, or couldn't be arsed to prepare for conditions correctly.

 

 

[Musica]

6 minutes ago, clumpyedge said:

 

Ah, nit picking must be one of your other hobbies?

 

Jesso you say one thing then contradict yourself. Then act like Roger is digging in to your family history from 3 generations ago to find out your great great granddad actually hated the rain. Your clearly too cool for school and don't care about anything except for people not liking to splish splash about with you. 

[RR01]

One of the problems of playing in the rain, especially woodland, is not hearing or feeling hits.  Years ago I was out with some old DPM plastic waterproofs, standing under foliage and getting dripped on quite loudly ever second or so.  Got called out from someone about 30 yards away for not taking a hit.  Not sure he was right, as there was plenty of leaves between him and me and he was to the side of me.  Definitely didn't feel anything hit, but would not have heard anything anyway as the hits I did take sounded no different to the raindrops. Something to consider when playing in the rain.

[clumpyedge]

29 minutes ago, Musica said:

 

Jesso you say one thing then contradict yourself. Then act like Roger is digging in to your family history from 3 generations ago to find out your great great granddad actually hated the rain. Your clearly too cool for school and don't care about anything except for people not liking to splish splash about with you. 

 

If you say so sweetheart

[Adolf Hamster]

29 minutes ago, RR01 said:

One of the problems of playing in the rain, especially woodland, is not hearing or feeling hits.  Years ago I was out with some old DPM plastic waterproofs, standing under foliage and getting dripped on quite loudly ever second or so.  Got called out from someone about 30 yards away for not taking a hit.  Not sure he was right, as there was plenty of leaves between him and me and he was to the side of me.  Definitely didn't feel anything hit, but would not have heard anything anyway as the hits I did take sounded no different to the raindrops. Something to consider when playing in the rain.

 

or as i like to call hailstorms "tactical nuke"

 

i dont mind a bit of rain, but like most there's a limit, although i'll admit some of my most fun games have been in poor weather.

 

i do love a bit of snow though, that stalingrad vibe.

 

i never bother altering kit though, not had any issues so far although again i tend to call it before it becomes proper monsoon.

[Skara]

Oh come on! Don't pull a Duff!!

 

The point is: people play for as long as they want and have the right to leave when they don't enjoy the day any more.

But said people also need to understand that it is actually annoying and kind of disrespectful for others if they just pack up and leave, as it will effectively kill the day.

 

In general, I think many airsofters should grow a pair.

Playing in the rain has never killed anyone. Of course we're not talking about playing during a hurricane or any other apocalyptic storm, just your average rainy day.

 

Million ways to counter rain, by either having a spare, dry change of clothes or cheap/expensive waterproof gear.

Hit calling may become a problem, as rain drops sound terribly similar to BBs impacts, but with some experience you can definitely tell the difference.

 

I personally enjoy rainy airsoft days, last Sunday we were only 6 and we played at a local fort and we had a blast, so many short games we lost count at some point, but it didn't matter as we all had fun, and for the record, nobody had proper rain gear. The place doesn't even have that much indoor space, just 2 corridors on two levels joined by 3 staircases and a handful of useable rooms throughout the structure, with 2 small wings on the ground floor. We spent most of the time outside and we got drenched, but still had loads of fun.

 

[Rogerborg]

1 hour ago, clumpyedge said:

 

Ah, nit picking must be one of your other hobbies?

 

It's more of a life long calling.

 

I'll assume that you know that the answer is B, less likely to show up again.

 

It's a curious way of going about ensuring that you have people to play with.

 

Why not just thank those who do show up for the time that they've stayed?

[clumpyedge]

26 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

 

It's more of a life long calling.

 

I'll assume that you know that the answer is B, less likely to show up again.

 

It's a curious way of going about ensuring that you have people to play with.

 

Why not just thank those who do show up for the time that they've stayed?

 

Actually C - make them think that maybe coming prepared to a day long event with less than disirable weather forecast with inadequate equipment wasn't a smart choice and quite possibly a waste of their game fee (which I think is about £55+ for longmoor on a battlesim) and everyone else's money because ultimately people's poor choices could have ruined everyone else's day.

 

If people can't prepare or even look at a forecast why should everyone else have to suffer and have their day and money wasted? 

 

Edit: The thing I care less about by the way is what people think of an opinion I have. It's an opinion I'm entitled to after all much like you have your own opinion on not playing in the rain.

[Stratton Oakmont]

I don't mind playing in the rain that's what my weather proof AK is for.

i won't take my Tm 416 out though, its too precious (like me) and when I run an m4 variant I feel the need to run a fake beard and face paint full arm sleeve tattoos to keep up with the other operators, I'm not going to go to all that trouble if the rains going to wash them off in the first hour!!!

[Musica]

5 minutes ago, osteoshot said:

I don't mind playing in the rain that's what my weather proof AK is for.

i won't take my Tm 416 out though, its too precious (like me) and when I run an m4 variant I feel the need to run a fake beard and face paint full arm sleeve tattoos to keep up with the other operators, I'm not going to go to all that trouble if the rains going to wash them off in the first hour!!!

I do have general concern for my EVO in the rain. what makes your AK better for this? 

[Adolf Hamster]

1 minute ago, Musica said:

I do have general concern for my EVO in the rain. what makes your AK better for this? 

 

The power of communism.

 

[Tackle]

4 hours ago, clumpyedge said:

I cant understand how weather is even a subject of conversation anymore, more just common sense. If its raining, wear something that stops the rain. If its hot, drink plenty of water and wear less if poss (swap from PC to chest rig for example) hardly rocket science when weather is involved or am I missing something? like @Tiercel said if its actually proper shit outside I wont bother, a few showers is nothing really that cumbersome to play through but generally looking after your stuff like anything else you own goes a long way.

Because half of society needs their hands held & arses wiped, sad but true 😏

4 hours ago, DrAlexanderTobacco said:

 

 

 

^^^ Longmoor back in November. Rained solidly all day from around 1PM, complete downpour which didn't stop until after end-ex.

 

Literally over half the players, around 50, packed up and tried to go home - but weren't allowed, because the game was still in play and a convoy escort couldn't be set up. Most people ended up staying in their cars for the remaining four hours.

Wusses, pay to play longmoor & sit in their cars, made of sugar lol

2 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

 

This is a pleasure hobby.  If people aren't enjoying it, why would they make themselves miserable by persevering?

 

Go on though, try and harangue folk into playing it by belittling them.

 

See if that results in anything other than them coming to resent both it, and you.

 

Not necessarily in that order.

So what we're saying is 50+ guys who dress up as rufty tufty soldiers, try to emulate combat, but bottle it as soon as it gets wet, shouldn't have the shit ripped out of them.............fuck that, where's the fun in that.

lost count of the number of events that have turned to shit because of poorly prepared wankers crying off mid game, even when the forecast has been well known in advance, no excuses, even pulling on civvy protective clothing (as long as it's not hi-viz), is preferable to everybody on site being forced to take an early bath.

2 hours ago, clumpyedge said:

 

I couldn't care less.

 

If I go to a game and half the people that turned up fuck off because they cant handle a bit of rain thus ruining my day because they cant come equipped to play through differing weather I struggle to see why I shouldn't take the piss.. if its a hobby you enjoy enough to want to play year round outside but don't take the precautionary equipment to do so again why is that everyone else's problem and why should their day suffer because people cant have common sense enough to buy a cheap bit of gortex to cover them through the rain...

 

Longmoor as a site would be absolute shit with just 50 players left to play the day, its a huge site. Knowing the over heads for the site I'd be furious that half the players just went and sat in their cars because of rain. The site has well over 30 playable buildings that should you wish, you could hunker down in and defend without getting even remotely damp.

 

Edit: Every hobby is a pleasure hobby or why else would you do it... can you imagine if rugby got called off because one half of the players didn't want to get their shirts wet!?

 

Amen 👍

[clumpyedge]

4 minutes ago, Tackle said:

Because half of society needs their hands held & arses wiped, sad but true 😏

Wusses, pay to play longmoor & sit in their cars, made of sugar lol

So what we're saying is 50+ guys who dress up as rufty tufty soldiers, try to emulate combat, but bottle it as soon as it gets wet, shouldn't have the shit ripped out of them.............fuck that, where's the fun in that.

lost count of the number of events that have turned to shit because of poorly prepared wankers crying off mid game, even when the forecast has been well known in advance, no excuses, even pulling on civvy protective clothing (as long as it's not hi-viz), is preferable to everybody on site being forced to take an early bath.

Amen 👍

 

 

Glad other people can see I'm not just being an arse because I'm "too cool for school" 

 

My main jacket is generally an old Berghaus jacket work supplied me with when I worked in out on sites. 

[Stratton Oakmont]

5 minutes ago, Musica said:

I do have general concern for my EVO in the rain. what makes your AK better for this? 

It's a fixed stock LCT AK so I rear wired it and put the mosfet with the battery in there, heat shrinked everything else and so far so good

[Tackle]

7 minutes ago, clumpyedge said:

 

 

Glad other people can see I'm not just being an arse because I'm "too cool for school" 

 

My main jacket is generally an old Berghaus jacket work supplied me with when I worked in out on sites. 

Generally Im driving a minimum hour to sites, sometimes more, that's my time & my fuel, then there's the green fees, which most organizers will do there best to keep hold off, especially if half the event has been played.

nothing wrong with taking exception to my (or anybody else's) time & money being wasted, all because some twat will spend a fortune on gats etc, but won't shell out £10-£30 on some protective kit or check the weather forecast.

[Nicky blue eyes]

You could always go the really cheap way which is a couple of black sacks with holes poked in them, both for you and the gun. My rain gear of choice is an old dpm jacket with enough fabsil sprayed on to rip the ozone layer another hole. Some of the best games I've had have been in the rain. Less players but better quality of play. Also better conversations in the safe zone and banter as well. I've paid to run around with a plastic gun and thats jolly well what I'm doing. Come rain or shine! Lol

[Stratton Oakmont]

Speedos and eyepro 

booyah!!!

[Sneaky]

Power through the rain and don have a change of clothes in the car.

[Rogerborg]

16 hours ago, clumpyedge said:

Actually C - make them think that maybe coming prepared to a day long event with less than disirable weather forecast with inadequate equipment wasn't a smart choice and quite possibly a waste of their game fee (which I think is about £55+ for longmoor on a battlesim)

 

They're already wet and miserable, I'd suggest they've very likely figured that out themselves.

 

My question is what exactly you think you'd be achieving by "taking the piss" out of them for it.

 

This is a hobby that requires active, willing, cheerful participation in the shared make-believe game that we're playing.

 

Do you want miserable people to stay on site just so that you can shoot at them?

 

After being taunted and harangued into staying, do you think they'll be minded to take hits from you? 

 

If they don't, what follows?  You kick them off site?

 

Surely you know how quickly grumpiness can spiral downwards?

 

^^^ this thread.

 

 

16 hours ago, clumpyedge said:

Edit: The thing I care less about by the way is what people think of an opinion I have.

 

Maybe repeat it a third time, with more feeling.

[clumpyedge]

13 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

 

They're already wet and miserable, I'd suggest they've very likely figured that out themselves.

 

My question is what exactly you think you'd be achieving by "taking the piss" out of them for it.

 

This is a hobby that requires active, willing, cheerful participation in the shared make-believe game that we're playing.

 

Do you want miserable people to stay on site just so that you can shoot at them?

 

After being taunted and harangued into staying, do you think they'll be minded to take hits from you? 

 

If they don't, what follows?  You kick them off site?

 

Surely you know how quickly grumpiness can spiral downwards?

 

^^^ this thread.

 

 

 

Maybe repeat it a third time, with more feeling.

 

I have been open with my disdain for players not being prepared for less than favourable weather when numerous others have also shared their displeasure for people wanting to leave early because of a bit of rain. I wouldn't kick anyone off site as its not my game to do so and even if it were if people walk because of weather that's their own undoing and not mine, I would concentrate my efforts on the people that have stayed and have prepared, after all they are the ones that seem to want to keep the fun going by continuing not just for their own gratification but also that of others. I don't think there has ever been a case of anyone dying from a bit of rain when playing Airsoft. I never said I would taunt anyone into staying or harangue anyone into doing something they don't want to do but calling someone out or a bit of light piss taking for potentially ending a game day for the majority who are having fun I would have no problem doing.

[Skara]

If people stay on site when raining for me (and others), I am then more likely to do something that may not please me for them.

Isn't it how it (should) works (-s)? At least between locals anyway, I wouldn't expect first timers to do it, but guys who've known each other for a long time should have this mindset..

 

Edit: Then again, I have absolutely no rights whatsoever to force people into situations they don't like, if they want to bail they're free to do it, it's more of a courtesy I'm asking from them.

 

2nd edit: being prepared for the weather in airsoft may even have consequences in real life, especially in the younger elements. Teaches them to foresee stuff and act accordingly.

It's what I do as a scout chief, if someone doesn't have rain gear for a trip, I won't do anything unless it becomes critical (and for sure I'm not canceling the trip because of awful weather). I'm quite confident they'll show up with at least a cheap poncho next time

[Guest DrAlexanderTobacco]

1 hour ago, Rogerborg said:

 

They're already wet and miserable, I'd suggest they've very likely figured that out themselves.

 

My question is what exactly you think you'd be achieving by "taking the piss" out of them for it.

 

This is a hobby that requires active, willing, cheerful participation in the shared make-believe game that we're playing.

 

Do you want miserable people to stay on site just so that you can shoot at them?

 

After being taunted and harangued into staying, do you think they'll be minded to take hits from you? 

 

If they don't, what follows?  You kick them off site?

 

Reading back it's clear this is all a pretty nice strawman you constructed early on and have been maintaining since; Clumpy took the piss out of people online, as is his wont to do, and you took it to mean he'll be bullying people constantly on site.

 

He's right that people going to an 8-hour all-day all-weather game *with no chance to actually leave the site* should be a lot better prepared for playing in adverse conditions, especially since they weren't too much of a surprise with forecasts etc.

 

As I was saying earlier, irrespective of the morals of piss-taking these players directly worsened (effectively stopped) the game by choosing to stop playing, despite other people being more than happy to continue on. I would be more than happy for these fairweather players to fuck off and never come back - Frees up tickets for people who actually want to attend and give the day a proper go.

 

 

[Immortal]

I find I always turn up over prepared. Look's like a weeks worth of gear for a day out. Most doesn't even get used but I'd rather have it just in case. Backups for backups etc....