Asomodai Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Site Name: Erebor: Black Ops Telephone number: 07432457398 Website Address: https://www.accelevents.com/e/ereborBlackOps Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/ereborUK/ Site Address: Pilgrim Group, Unit 8, Orchard Business Park, Bonehurst Road, Salfords, Redhill, RH1 5EL I have played at Erebor Airsoft twice in the past couple of months, both on a test day and proper skirmish day. The following are my thoughts of the site from the SKIRMISH day updated from my original test day review. Erebor Airsoft is an Urban/CQB airsoft site in Redhill just outside the M25. I played on the 14/09/2019 This is a site has been used by the police/CTFSO for training purposes in the past and possibly present. It also has escape rooms and zombie nights on occasion. It is currently being evaluated for Airsoft use. This is very early days for the site and is currently marshalled by people used by Zed Adventures of The Mall and Battle Lakes fame. This is a Small sized CQB/Urban mock village built into a warehouse, it has roads, Cars, buildings with a sound and light system. It has two tiers due to the 1st floors of buildings and balconies. Every building is explorable and themed. Semi with a site limit of 350 FPS, probably no snipers allowed as it would difficult to shoot anyone over standard minimum engagement distances. No paper based pyro for obvious reasons. BFGs are allowed in the street and ground floor. I would bet its about four times the size of Bunker 51 in Charlton. Due to the size the player amount is restricted to about 20-25 people. Positives: Unique Playing area: The playing area was a quality mock town built under a warehouse. There were a large variety of buildings, all with second stories. A Clinic with stretchers, Police station with jail, Grand Hotel with three balconies to look out from, a Bazaar and a Café complete with outdoor seating, umbrellas and plants. This is clearly not built as an airsoft site as there has been actual money spent on this! The building work was solid and with the lights turned down low you could mistake it for the real thing. Safe Zone: The safe zone is a large brick building adjoined to the warehouse, its heated with tea, coffee and water machine. We essentially set up in the kitchen/canteen area. Everyone had a small table to themselves and a seat. Toilet: Male and female toilets, indoors next to the safe zone, actual porcelain. Fit for human use. Probably one of the best toilets. Even had handwash. Shop: There was a shop at hand that included 4 or 5 rifles, the same amount of pistols and gas and bb's. Considering the limited numbers the site can support I find this to be a more then adequate shop. There is also a boneyard section. I managed to pick up a well used AG36 Grenade launcher that needed a little bit of attention for a fair price. Parking: Parking on tarmac for around 80 to 100 cars, more then enough and its very secure. Vehicles: There was a converted van used as a helicopter. You ascend into the vehicle which is then closed up, lights and sound are played of a real helicopter, it has a button release system that will bring down the rear door to exit into the arena. Its a nice touch! It can hold quite a few people. Location: Being just outside the M25, within 15 minutes walk of a Oyster accessible station (Salfords station) This is very good for London based players. Sound and light: The lighting can be switched on and off with varying levels of light in-between. Background sounds can be pumped in via the speakers all around the building, usually typical neighbourhood sounds or night time sounds. Very realistic and adds a lot of variety throughout the day. Mandatory Chrono: All guns used were chronoed with .2's. 350 FPS limit and rifles were tagged. Marshal/organiser Attitude: Was very good which is the same that I have experienced at Zed Adventure sites. Always good for a chin wag and love their gear. When teams were struggling they got involved helping them out. I made a number of comments after as I did on the test day about layout and other possibilities and they reacted positively to them. Safety Brief: Fairly long and covered pretty much everything, performed with the customary Zed Adventure swagger. Mission Variety: Due to the nature of the site I imagine it is a ball ache to think of missions that would work well, but the Marshals managed to pull it off and I am sure they will get even better when the site becomes more familiar. Average: Comms: Once you book your tickets online comms were pretty good, you got to choose your food if you wished to order it ahead of time as well as being able to sign the waiver online. Seth the organiser is very responsive on comms either here @Seth_Erebor or on the phone. However, on the initial test day it was a mix between day time and night time games. Apart from the first game it was pretty much all dark games. Although on booking it is recommended to bring a torch, I would have communicated that it was ESSENTIAL considering it was pretty much all night games this time around. Value for money: At £35 a time it is a bit steep in comparison to other airsoft sites, but considering the unique nature of the site it really isn't that bad. The food that was on offer however was quite expensive as it is ordered in. Its a nice service, but the day could easily cost around £50-55 on site fee and food. Negatives: Layout: The current layout means that if you start at the far end of the warehouse, you are able to have line of sight for 2/3rds of the site almost immediately. This puts the team starting at the near side at a disadvantage from the off from progressing up the field. But it also means that firefights can boil down to bottlenecks on the two main roads as there is no access to the middle row of buildings from the far side of the warehouse. The warehouse owners have noted there is a possibility to change the layout and cut out more windows to improve accessibility, but what really needs to happen is to have more doors going to useful places. The Grand Hotel is fantastic but it is very difficult to access from the near side of the warehouse as you need to fully expose yourself to get inside which is difficult without being hit due to the long sight line mentioned previously. I asked about putting some sort of fence up to allow access and blocking the long site line and it looks like that will happen for future games. Night game overload: Further from the Comms rating, I would have preferred to see more daytime games, maybe with the lights turned down at a random time during a skirmish for extra kicks? Conclusion: It is a very interesting site. The unique selling point being its playing area which is pretty unique in the south east and/or England. There is a lot of hard work involved in the site upkeep and it clearly shows. I really have to applaud Seth for somehow getting this made available to Airsoft. I had some very good moments whilst playing when you get the jump on people and surprise them but you have to work hard for it! Although I am not a fan of USA style Scenario based games, with civilians, bartering etc, I can definitely see that style being very effective at this site rather then firefights. It has its faults in that it is clearly not built as an airsoft site in mind, It can be a very fun site, but it hangs in the balance because it would be easy to spoil a game if the teams are unbalanced or if one little thing gets missed out in the mission brief. It will take continued evolution to keep games on track. I am personally not a fan of CQB, but this is definitely one to experience at least once. Myself and the buddy I went with both commented that it would be good for an occasional treat, but not as a regular week in week out skirmish. We will probably revisit again with the next 6 months especially if some of the layout and sight line issues are worked on. This site is ideal for shotguns (In daytime) and I had great fun with my KSG. A fellow forum member had an AA12 which was also very effective. Tracer units and torches are ESSENTIAL to having a good time in my opinion. Bullpup Watch: My KSG and Fake Bullpup (P90). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgePlaysAirsoft Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I had a cracking (half) day - was great to meet you too. Its a great place - it is quite small, sure but its quite dense too. The lighting and sound was a great touch. I will be feeding back my thoughts to the organiser but can't wait to visit again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albiscuit Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Would LOVE to try this place out!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Retired Moderators L3wisD Posted July 22, 2019 Mostly Retired Moderators Share Posted July 22, 2019 Well bugger me.. Seth K actually did it. Surprise of the year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibbsOnTour Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 I was invited but couldn't make it... Reading this was a tough one😥 Sounds brilliant though! Well done @Seth_Erebor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tackle Posted July 22, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 22, 2019 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth_Erebor Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Tackle said: 😢 1 hour ago, BibbsOnTour said: I was invited but couldn't make it... Reading this was a tough one😥 Sounds brilliant though! Well done @Seth_Erebor Plenty of dates coming up soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDcase Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Well done Seth for organising it 👍 Sounds like it has potential to be a great CQB site. Looking forward to going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted July 22, 2019 Supporters Share Posted July 22, 2019 6 hours ago, Tackle said: 😢 Me neither and cqb is my thing, we are obviously not special enough lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth_Erebor Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Will be running another day in 3 weeks and more after that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted July 22, 2019 Supporters Share Posted July 22, 2019 28 minutes ago, Seth_Erebor said: Will be running another day in 3 weeks and more after that Nope the insult has been dealt, I could of come over and given you pointers on playing and marshalling but obviously @Asomodai attempt at giving you good PR was more important. How much are you paying him? Actual cash, free games or are we talking sexual favours in your nice porcelain toilet cubicles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth_Erebor Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 1 minute ago, ImTriggerHappy said: Nope the insult has been dealt, I could of come over and given you pointers on playing and marshalling but obviously @Asmodias attempt at giving you good PR was more important. How much are you paying him? Actual cash, free games or are we talking sexual favours in your nice porcelain toilet cubicles? That would be telling I didn't actually know he was going to do a review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted July 22, 2019 Supporters Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Seth_Erebor said: That would be telling I didn't actually know he was going to do a review. Yeah yeah like any of us will believe that. It's @Asomodai we forgive you snuggling up for a free game, always guessed you were a bit cheap 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak2m4 Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Nice one, always good to see new sites opening up. Even if it's a little pricey you probably only play the morning or afternoon. I've been to small indoor / cqb sites which have been rammed to capacity and no fun at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrAlexanderTobacco Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ImTriggerHappy said: Nope the insult has been dealt, I could of come over and given you pointers on playing and marshalling On 24/06/2019 at 21:22, ImTriggerHappy said: You are missing the point. You get to spend all day shooting him 🥳 # Not that I didn't slate Seth in that thread too - either way fair play @Seth_Erebor sounds like your hard work played off, interested to see some videos of the site if anyone at the next game has cams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted July 22, 2019 Supporters Share Posted July 22, 2019 22 minutes ago, DrAlexanderTobacco said: # Not that I didn't slate Seth in that thread too - either way fair play @Seth_Erebor sounds like your hard work played off, interested to see some videos of the site if anyone at the next game has cams! You do realise every post I made on this thread is a pisstake right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth_Erebor Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, DrAlexanderTobacco said: # Not that I didn't slate Seth in that thread too - either way fair play @Seth_Erebor sounds like your hard work played off, interested to see some videos of the site if anyone at the next game has cams! Ah thanks, it's all fun and games Yeah, it's been in the works for a while so I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes. Not taking my eyes off my other goals though, but this gives me a testbed of sorts. 57 minutes ago, ak2m4 said: Nice one, always good to see new sites opening up. Even if it's a little pricey you probably only play the morning or afternoon. I've been to small indoor / cqb sites which have been rammed to capacity and no fun at all We're looking at two very intense 3-hr sessions, you'll feel like you've played a whole day. I really want to have a mixture of sessions, fast-paced for "that" crowd and also slower more tactical sessions. In time I'll see if we can host a similar setup to what Battle Arena broadcasts. The eSports (can I call it that) setup we have in the works (pending approval from the company holding the patent) will look great, run smooth and be clearcut as fencing (I assume fencing is pretty binary). Not that I'm a fan of Call of Duty but this new Gunfight game mode looks interesting. I will be testing a 5v5 version, see how it goes. For those that can, as in the game, the loadout changes each round. I think that's a cool dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tackle Posted July 22, 2019 Moderators Share Posted July 22, 2019 I think we all gave Seth stick in the past, it became a bit if a "sport", am I right in thinking, according to Asmodias's review, this "new" site has been up & running for quite some time, in use by a number of third parties, & seemingly not Seths brainchild, just a location he's managed to secure for airsofters to also use. Just sayin is all 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth_Erebor Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Just now, Tackle said: I think we all gave Seth stick in the past, it became a bit if a "sport", am I right in thinking, according to Asmodias's review, this "new" site has been up & running for quite some time, in use by a number of third parties, & seemingly not Seths brainchild, just a location he's managed to secure for airsofters to also use. Just sayin is all 😉 I enjoy it, just a bit They have an escape room, parkour, laser tag and other groups that were only alluded using it. Airsoft will only be another feather in their cap so to speak. But what I will do with it will have Seth written all over it. Did I just refer to myself in the third person? Time for bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasbrisas17 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 If you guys have another game please hit me up!!! An hours drive from me but its closer to a lot of my friends so we would love to play in a CQB place (The south needs more, too many woodland). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth_Erebor Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Lasbrisas17 said: If you guys have another game please hit me up!!! An hours drive from me but its closer to a lot of my friends so we would love to play in a CQB place (The south needs more, too many woodland). You're closer than I am! haha I'll let you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keldon Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Sounds like a nice little place you got into @Seth_Erebor will be keeping an eye out for the next game day as also only an hour away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted July 23, 2019 Supporters Share Posted July 23, 2019 I am now waiting to see how many people who gave him shit start trying to be all matey now. Now Seth is potentially a site owner the sycophants will come out in force. Airsoft groupies who would of thought they would be a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asomodai Posted July 23, 2019 Author Share Posted July 23, 2019 Come on guys. I dont particularly agree with the way Seth has presented himself on the forum in the past. But then again how many of you have acquired a site to run for airsoft use? Its a big undertaking and should be applauded. All this simmering sexual tension towards Seth doesn't particularly fit in with the narrative of a review thread, let's stick with that general theme eh? TLDR: Site is good, needs to be well run to be a success, let's see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrAlexanderTobacco Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said: I am now waiting to see how many people who gave him shit start trying to be all matey now. Now Seth is potentially a site owner the sycophants will come out in force. Airsoft groupies who would of thought they would be a thing? As I said earlier it's not like I didn't slate him just as you or others did - but, come on - you've got to admit that the self-styled AFUK dreamer has actually managed to kinda move forward on his dreams a little - I def feel a little bad about trying to shoot him down despite him clearly putting quite a bit of work into finding an interesting location etc. I remember reading an article yonks ago, which came to mind when I heard of the good news re: Pilgrims - Jony Ives from Apple talking about how trying to work in a creative environment in the UK can be quite shite owing to how the default approach from people is to pick holes in someone's idea, shoot it down, tell them it'll never work. It's good to an extent because finding issues can improve the outcome, but not to that degree. Conversely in the US people just tend to be more supportive - will paste the article here once I've found it. Anyway yeah to sum up - I read that article, agreed with it, then years later did the very thing I disagreed with - sorry Seth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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