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  Anyone else seen the shot fired  by spirtitus at weapon 762 because they "stole" the mini chest  rig and are making a clone of i like they did hs d3cr rig. 

 

I get there annoyed that the idea has been  cloned but surely if they never copyrighted or patented  it they dont have a leg to stand on. 

 

Personly  i think a lot of company's  steal  idea from each other now anyway. Plus not everyone want to  spent the    bigger bucks that a real  steel sprititus one cost

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TMC have been done over copyright infringement before. I've not seen the case you're alluding to but what makes you think that Spiritus don't hold the rights to their own design?

 

 

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If spiritus produce the best version of their product they can then they don’t need to worry about copies or reproductions!

 

 

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 Been all other  there instagram story. 

 

Not saying they dont have a copy right. Not saying whos right and wrong  here but Just  seem like a very unprofessional way to go about it from both companies.

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Oh boo hoo ! 762 are retailers they don’t make it they just sell it !  if they can get kit cheap from the Far East and people want to buy it ? Crack on , if some yank business can’t get its legal act together to protect ‘there designs’ (when you come down to it unless you’ve come up with some amazing new never seen before design then there all just variations of the same thing really) that’s there problem .

always happened always will .

so suck it up cup cake . 

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Do spiritus expect airsofters to spend £300 on a rig for occasional use, #outoftheirtinyminds.

I'd buy the copy even if I could afford the real mcoy, I base my opinion on issued brit kit I've used in the field, heavy as fuck & at times poorly made, so likely to let you down, whereas even the modern knock off kit is 100% better.

Anyway, everything in life is a rehash of something that's gone before, even if spiritus could get the copied kit banned, its no guarantee that people will then buy theirs ?.

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2 minutes ago, Tackle said:

Do spiritus expect airsofters to spend £300 on a rig for occasional use, #outoftheirtinyminds.

I'd buy the copy even if I could afford the real mcoy, I base my opinion on issued brit kit I've used in the field, heavy as fuck & at times poorly made, so likely to let you down, whereas even the modern knock off kit is 100% better.

Anyway, everything in life is a rehash of something that's gone before, even if spiritus could get the copied kit banned, its no guarantee that people will then buy theirs ?.

Spot on bud . 

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Well just been stoking the fires , went on there instagram and commented on the fact that they’ve accused 762of ‘stolen valour’ And what utter bullshit that comment is ! Now were’d I put my popcorn ? 😈😈😈

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47 minutes ago, Tackle said:

Do spiritus expect airsofters to spend £300 on a rig for occasional use, #outoftheirtinyminds.

 

 

Of course they don't, but then airsofters are NOT their primary market.

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27 minutes ago, Lozart said:

 

Of course they don't, but then airsofters are NOT their primary market.

Put another way then, who do then expect to pay such high prices then ?, LE & other government/corporate entities who are essentially not spending their own money, but using a dc3r rig as an example, with no plate capacity, can't see that many takers, other than gear whores

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5 minutes ago, Tackle said:

Put another way then, who do then expect to pay such high prices then ?, LE & other government/corporate entities who are essentially not spending their own money, but using a dc3r rig as an example, with no plate capacity, can't see that many takers, other than gear whores

 

They and all of their ilk are aiming at individuals that have a requirement for top end kit. Be that LE, military or private individuals that value quality of construction and design over getting a bargain.

To be quite honest this is the same argument that happens over and over again from airsofters that the high end gucci kit is "too expensive" when it's not made for them. Same as Crye et al, they're designed for high stress situations not a weekend skirmish! 

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Without a doubt, which is why I cringe when I see players spending £200 on a pair of crye keks, wtf is that about ?

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To be fair irrespective of cost and which market a product is designed for, if someone's stolen your design and reproducing it then you have every right to be upset about it. I'm not sure how patenting works when it comes to stuff such as tactical gear, I'd assume you can't protect every single design rather than specific features or similar. I'm sure CKinnerley will be along shortly to correct that haha

 

The pricing is what it is, we have enough threads on the subject, but generally you get the quality you pay for. As lozart said, it's not for everyone but those who can afford and would be interested likely won't have an issue with the pricing, they're aware of where the money goes

 

Using the phrase 'stolen valor' seems a tad silly as it's improperly used and you'd think someone in that market would know better but hey

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40 minutes ago, M_P said:

Using the phrase 'stolen valor' seems a tad silly as it's improperly used and you'd think someone in that market would know better but hey

There Murcan ! Yea basically what I thought as well , hence I went and did a bit of shitsturing ! 😇

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this is airsoft, when i was working on my project a common question from various folks who didn't understand the industry was why i wasn't considering patenting anything and the simple fact is in this industry patents don't mean squat.

 

i mean consider that literally the entire AEG industry is built around ripping off tm, or look at the odin speedloader, i ordered one from evike when they first came out it was not long after it arrived did clone versions spring up all over the place.

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1 hour ago, M_P said:

To be fair irrespective of cost and which market a product is designed for, if someone's stolen your design and reproducing it then you have every right to be upset about it. I'm not sure how patenting works when it comes to stuff such as tactical gear, is assume you can't protect every single design rather than specificity features or similar. I'm sure CKinnerley will be along shortly to correct that haha

 

The pricing is what it is, we have enough threads on the subject, but generally you get the quality you pay for. As lozart said, it's not for everyone but those can afford and would be interested likely won't have an issue with the pricing, they're aware of where the money goes

 

Using the phrase 'stolen valor' seems a tad silly as it's improperly used and you'd think someone in that market would know better but hey

 

The problem as far as the patenting/copyrighting thing goes is that the same laws don't apply in all markets. As evidenced by this little gem https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-china-u-s-intellectual-property/china-uncovers-almost-1600-us-related-intellectual-property-infringements-this-year-idUKKBN1D90AJ

 

That said, I wholeheartedly agree that Spiritus, Haley, Team Wendy (they successfully took FMA to court over their copy of the exfil helmet) etc should defend their IP rigorously but unfortunately in the case of some of these companies, as they're run by people more used to kicking in doors and dealing with complaints 5.56mm at a time they tend to have a rather "bullish" attitude when it comes to representing themselves online. Which mostly makes them look a bit childish to any and all observing from the sidelines!

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21 minutes ago, Lozart said:

That said, I wholeheartedly agree that Spiritus, Haley, Team Wendy (they successfully took FMA to court over their copy of the exfil helmet) etc should defend their IP rigorously but unfortunately in the case of some of these companies, as they're run by people more used to kicking in doors and dealing with complaints 5.56mm at a time they tend to have a rather "bullish" attitude when it comes to representing themselves online. Which mostly makes them look a bit childish to any and all observing from the sidelines!

Very true indeed mate if you create somthing it should be protected BUT playing devils advocate you’d think they’d have the sense to make sure they had decent legal representation (we are talking about the USA were you can get sued for burping at the wrong time if your not carful !)  and it’s NOT as if Chinese company’s ripping everyone else off is a new phenomenon now is it ? Which to be honest is the main reason I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them in this situation .  

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Just now, Druid799 said:

Very true indeed mate if you create somthing it should be protected BUT playing devils advocate you’d think they’d have the sense to make sure they had decent legal representation (we are talking about the USA were you can get sued for burping at the wrong time if your not carful !)  and it’s NOT as if Chinese company’s ripping everyone else off is a new phenomenon now is it ? Which to be honest is the main reason I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them in this situation .  

 

I would say that they've tried the standard "Cease and Desist" route and having had no luck have decided to aim for the customers sense of patriotic indignation. They're a small company and I would wonder just how much of a budget they're willing to spunk on what is a pretty frivolous lawsuit. I very much doubt that TMC in general and Weapon762 in particular are actually having much of an impact on their revenue stream, unless they actually ARE trying to get airsofters to buy their stuff!

 

I guess the problem comes for them when someone goes out and buys a knock off without realising and them has a go at them for it being cheap and shit. Of course, if you don't realise that NOT paying $300+ for a Micro Fight chest rig means it's either very second hand or a fake then you deserve all you get in my book.

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1 hour ago, Lozart said:

decided to aim for the customers sense of patriotic indignation. 

 

if you don't realise that NOT paying $300+ for a Micro Fight chest rig means it's either very second hand or a fake then you deserve all you get in my book.

Think your spot on with both points mate , Me personally I think they well and truly dipped out on point one though as you don’t really see that much HK labeled kit for sale in the states , you do get it just not as much as the rest of the world , Plus the realy hypocritical bit is the likes of Evike simply re-brand kit (lancer/avenger/etc) from the very manufacturers these high end US ones are trying to stop copying there kit !

Me personally I couldn’t give a flying what ever about Murcan patriotism! 

 

point two ? Again completely agree with you ,  If you think your £25 rig is the same as a £300 one then your f**king idiot and deserve what ever comes your way ! 🤦‍♂️

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In fairness the $300 was a guess plucked from the ether. I totally agree with you though @CKinnerley, unfortunately all the while there's a market for a cheap copy, the Chinese will keep hammering out clones be it chest rigs, helmets, industrial controllers or CG125s! 

 

But yeah, 100% agree with them defending their IP. If I could justify it, I'd get a genuine one. I really like the look of them!

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19 hours ago, Druid799 said:

Well just been stoking the fires , went on there instagram and commented on the fact that they’ve accused 762of ‘stolen valour’ And what utter bullshit that comment is ! Now were’d I put my popcorn ? 😈😈😈

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I can't find it on Twitter at all.... Can find their account, but only old tweets - nothing from this year. Please help this twittard...

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Twitter?? There's no tacticool gun/gear stuff on Twitter.  Seriously.  Facebook and IG are entirely the realms for that kinda thing.  The one and only automatic robot account I have that just auto reposts content from other platforms is my Twitter.

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