Airsoft Vs Milsim - Differences ? Opinions ?

[Esoterick]

I like games where there's an ammo limit and where the sides wear different camo as playing spot the band is not my favourite game. Although I normally play skirmishes as they easy to go to at the last minute. I've only played milsim type games run by Airborne Airsoft but I was really concerned that everyone would be really snotty about what you are wearing which wasn't the case.

 

The first day I played there all our kit was in these buildings(each team had a building) so as I left I said bye to the guys on my way out and pretty much everyone came up to me and shook my hand and we exchanged "well played" etc. - One thing to note was we were massively outnumbered and although we held our own for most of the day we eventually lost. It was nice to see no one got salty about it and saw it as nothing more than a game.

 

Personally I'd always want to play on the rebel side as most games i've seen advertised have one side in Multicam/MTP and I don't have any interest in that when there's lots of interesting camos on the market. I'll probably have a look at a weekend event at some point, I just wonder if people will start getting a bit funny as most players, myself included can get a bit funny by late afternoon on a single days skirmish as they get tired.

[n1ckh]

For me personally, I'm looking forward to my first milsim event in december I'm an ex serviceman but I'm not doing it to hark back to the 'good old days' (great memories but some really bad ones aswell)

 

For me, its a change from skirmish days. Its a chance to meet new people & possibly new friendships, yes it's playing pretend soldiers at pretend objectives but how many of us do get immeresed in a days pew pew pewing lol

 

Above all, it's the enjoyment, challenges & socialising which I don't get much being a lone parent as my kids come first

[Okto Eight Milsim]

We tend to factor in an MTP equipped force because so many players wear it and we try to be as inclusive as possible.

 

However, we agree, there are so many interesting camos out there.

 

Next game, we also have DPM, Flecktarn and most of the Russian camos represented.

 

Because people often conserve energy and arent playing flat out like they often do at a skirmish, people tend to be chilled and good natured at our games. We inject a fair amount of tongue-in-cheek humour so people dont get too up themselves and we only play for maximum 8 hours each day.

 

 

 

Personally I'd always want to play on the rebel side as most games i've seen advertised have one side in Multicam/MTP and I don't have any interest in that when there's lots of interesting camos on the market. I'll probably have a look at a weekend event at some point, I just wonder if people will start getting a bit funny as most players, myself included can get a bit funny by late afternoon on a single days skirmish as they get tired.

[RandomTrashy]

I think there has been some really great points raised here, I guess I can throw in my 2p!

 

I think ammo limits are important but also agree that 30rd mags really don't work, I think 60/80s are perfect as it is enough to make you worry about trigger discipline but enough o put a few shots at a target. After firing some real steel recently it was mad being a noob and knowing you can hit a target at 400 yards with one bullet takes the need for more rounds away in a real steel sense.

 

I don't believe everyone needs to be in crye or gucci kit, head to food to be a good milsim player to be fair I'm not fussed what people wear as long as they fit in with the unit or team " eg everyone in mulitcam " and have the correct kit to operate correctly in the scenario given.

 

There are some really pretentious / Walter Mittys in the milsim scene you just have to smile and walk away from them. Ive heard everything from Ex SAS to serving Para lol anyway.....

 

I do play Stirling Airsoft milsims as many have mentioned they run some of the strictest and most testing events in the UK. The Valley in Nov is a very testing environment where on a hard routine weekend you need everything on your back for your entire weekend. But It's one of the most rewarding things I have done esp when it was -5 and pitch black at 3:30pm being fit an able to move with weight on your back is essential. I've seen some bad accidents and people also turn up totally unprepared and risk hyperthermia and injury.

 

Milsim is not just acting and role play, Its not just what kit you have. But how you approach everything from ground movement, communication and tactical movements during any exercise from room clearing or detaining suspects to vehicle entry . Its not a spray and pray attitude running round willy nilly..but a calculated and organised individual that on the ground makes you an efficient and reliable subject.

 

Hope that all make sense

 

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My first real steel shooting .308 and .556 / .223

 

[deebo]

Think this is what people mean. Suggest you sit in the corner and think about what you said.....

[shortman]

I agree with deebo, i think its seems to be the two differences more between the have a laugh skirmish and they take it too seriouse milsimmer. I just want middle ground, i want the organised feel of milsim but to still be smiling and having fun. If i wanted to be so hardcore i felt like i was in the army or to the point where i feel like im on an sas training ground id go join the forces.

[Lozart]

Why does it have to matter how or why you do what you do? If someone takes what they do more seriously why are they wrong/right?

 

We're all running around the woods with toy guns FFS.

[Okto Eight Milsim]

Yes but isnt this the point. The OP describes the Stirling/Tier 1 approach which is fine if that is what you want.

Not everybody wants that, there are other organisers who cater for the different flavours, right through to milsim light and the more object focussed skirmishes.

 

The problems occur when people become so locked on, with their particular milsim flavour of choice, that they cant see anothers point of view.

 

Decide what flavour you want, play with whom you want and just accept that not everybody likes what you like.

[shortman]

Im not saying it is wrong or right, just that i think its the more overly serious approch that puts some off trying milsims. Almost like thier needs to be an inbetween the two levels of play for the less seriouse milsimmer whanting a more serious skirmish.

[deebo]

The content isnt why i said it lozart just the last post. Said about people going to far into it and then kinda a 'be all you can be' advert thrown in. Made me lol

[Lozart]

The content isnt why i said it lozart just the last post. Said about people going to far into it and then kinda a 'be all you can be' advert thrown in. Made me lol

 

Yeah, that's why I edited my post. Misunderstood your intent originally.

 

 

This whole thing is turning into a bit of a pissing match though. Find the style you like, play it. There's no need to judge others for wanting to do a different thing.

[Okto Eight Milsim]

We offer a bridge between the Stirling/Tier and milsim lite approach. We are one of many milsim flavours.

 

The problem occurs when passion for a flavour is seen as preaching.

 

The OP is obviously into the Stirling flavour.

 

Nothing wrong as long as he accepts he will get a minority support on a general airsofting forum and nothing wrong with us giving feedback providing we recognise his right to like what he likes.

 

You are all customers. Everybody has the right to like what they want.

 

We post up details of our games and activities. We appreciate that most have little or no interest, but we post to provide a diversity on an airsoft forum and for the benefit of those who ARE interested.

 

Surely the OP is indirectly promoting organisers like Stirling which is no different an approach.

[ImTriggerHappy]

At the end of the day play the type of airsoft that suits.

You get people that take both seriously and people that dont. They are both necessary to keep airsoft alive.

[Jedi_Master]

We're all running around the woods with toy guns FFS.

Speak for yourself, at my age I tend to just walk around in the woods .

You go first, I'll cover you.

[beastmode]

Playing my first milsim with Okto Eight in December. Really looking forward to it and getting away from the unorganised skirmish environment. I try and play skirmishes like a milsim in some ways by preserving ammo and working as a team when possible but some people just don't want to play ball.

[n1ckh]

Playing my first milsim with Okto Eight in December. Really looking forward to it and getting away from the unorganised skirmish environment. I try and play skirmishes like a milsim in some ways by preserving ammo and working as a team when possible but some people just don't want to play ball.

 

Most of the time we get split up from respawning but get back together when we can, sticking together & playing along side eachother, we've learned eachothers play style & habbits

 

Down with the ruski's lol

[shortman]

I too am playing with okto in december and also playing at longmoor on saturday which is a steping stone style event. With some milsim rules.

 

I do agree we should all play the game we each like to play. But hey lets be honest, we have had 4 pages of banter/disscusion/argument. Has made for a good read and disscusion if nothing else

[TheFull9]

I'm trying out a sim type game for the first time as well myself shortly, Sennybridge at the very end of October. Certainly interested to see what it's like overall, the types of people that go and maybe to try some other similar games by different companies afterwards just so I have an idea of why people play these sorts of events and the variety that's available (as discussed, there's clearly various 'levels' to the overall notion).

 

For some time I'd only go to sunday games by myself, then I started always going with my brother which was definitely good and I've never massively enjoyed going to any games alone if I'm honest. I've done a couple of the events that Arnies have put on which are around 40 hours long but purely made up of small fun games involving weird and wacky objectives with comparatively little shooting and lots of social with chilled out camping overnight. Ideally I'd quite like to go to that sort of thing a couple of times a year, but I don't think it has the 'cool' factor that most people seem to be looking for, which is a shame.

 

I played at UCAP Sandpit a couple of months back with my brother, another buddy and a ragtag bunch of uni students that I sort of knew-ish through said friend and FB and although the staff at the site were mostly shockingly sh*t with overall terrible games, I ended up having a really good day purely because the group of guys had a similar mindset to me in that they were very much interested in cool gear and guns etc and running around shooting but purely within the fun little delusional realm we create on the BBwrz battlefield. No shouting or getting worked up over the game itself at all, just getting in the action where we could and chilling out inbetween regens etc just generally talking and having a laugh. Overall I find (or at least think of) the whole gameplay aspect of using airsoft weapons to be a sort of watering-hole or binding glue to use for bringing people together and giving us all a common ground and subject to chat about. I'm fairly confident that any group of airsoters who've all been in the game at least a couple of months or more could talk pretty much indefinitely about guns and gear and game styles and sites etc etc etc; there's so many facets to the hobby and things to talk about.

 

So yeah, I'm hoping the sort of slightly enforced-teamwork and 'camping' aspects of a milsim style game vs the average day skirmish will generally lead to more opportunity to speak to people and have those times inbetween pew-pewing to make acquaintances and generally indulge in the aspect of the hobby I really like the most; which is the discussion and social slightly more than the actual shooting and running. I enjoyed boiling up a rat pack with my buddies during the down times on exercises and other similar stuff I've done so far in my work, but there aren't a huge amount of airsofters in the forces and while I like a lot of the people I work with that's more of a coincidence than anything, because often we don't have anything in common other than the job itself.

[n1ckh]

I too am playing with okto in december and also playing at longmoor on saturday which is a steping stone style event. With some milsim rules.

 

I do agree we should all play the game we each like to play. But hey lets be honest, we have had 4 pages of banter/disscusion/argument. Has made for a good read and disscusion if nothing else

 

Hope to see you there then buddy so pop over & say hello mate

 

I'm on the MDF side

[RandomTrashy]

We offer a bridge between the Stirling/Tier and milsim lite approach. We are one of many milsim flavours.

 

The problem occurs when passion for a flavour is seen as preaching.

 

The OP is obviously into the Stirling flavour.

 

Nothing wrong as long as he accepts he will get a minority support on a general airsofting forum and nothing wrong with us giving feedback providing we recognise his right to like what he likes.

 

You are all customers. Everybody has the right to like what they want.

 

We post up details of our games and activities. We appreciate that most have little or no interest, but we post to provide a diversity on an airsoft forum and for the benefit of those who ARE interested.

 

Surely the OP is indirectly promoting organisers like Stirling which is no different an approach.

 

 

I'd be happy to come along to an event ! I'm happy to try all types of airsoft

[Lozart]

 

 

I'd be happy to come along to an event ! I'm happy to try all types of airsoft

 

That's the spirit!

[Sacarathe]

Though I've yet to play Milsim, for me milsim is the pleasure of the anticipation when not engaged, the friend or foe recognition by uniform, and the magazine size limits (no more than 4x real). I've resigned myself to no milsim till I learn to drive though. :/

[deebo]

Hope to see you there then buddy so pop over & say hello mate

I'm on the MDF side

Me and shorty are playing the NATO team. Think we may have chatted on fb a bit. We will defo say hi and probably have a good laugh shooting up the russians haha

[Albiscuit]

Hope to see you there then buddy so pop over & say hello mate

 

I'm on the MDF side

 

 

Will you be making the shelves....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'l get my coat!!!

[beastmode]

I'm with the Russians so look forward to shooting you guys