Sitting Duck

It is a very tragic waste of a life the kid could of been thinking to reach for gun and drop the weapon first on floor (like he sees in movies/tv etc...) BUT - the officer had to make an immediate split second decision yes he could of shot shoulder or another area that may not have been so life threatening but then he hardly emptied a mag or finished with a final head shot after the 2 body shots So yeah with hindsight he could of done things a bit different and kid would still be alive but then the kid could of not taken it to the park too The kid probably screwed up when officers spoke to him - c'mon what teenager/kid follows instructions or does as they are told straight away - maybe he didn't hear or thought he should drop weapon on floor then put hands on head etc - who knows & we might never know for sure what kid was thinking Terrible tragic waste of a life - poor mum etc...... and just more airsoft bad press we could do without if it happened in this country I would like to think armed officers would be a little more cautious BUT then I ain't gonna be feckin stupid enough to tempt fate and take stuff out to the park either The gun looked very real at first glance - orange tip removed - open park area - pointing it at people Stupid kid - and that is what he is/was and just asking for trouble but still very sad for kid's family

I bought a B500A1 & Well D68 (M4 & G36 cheapo) at first and they could at a scrape work ok-ish and I do say ISH on cqb but never really for anything at woodland site but AK12 is longer (even though they probably used the D68/AK74 inner barrel in there) so may not be compact for cqb - but chock has given it a good boost with a proper G/box to give it back a bit of ooomph out in the field I gave in and bought one and probably never get around to putting in a g/box as it slowly dawned on me about bucking & maintaining it once I had her out the box - damn it Think most of us would like the traditional AK's to be a little more "mount" friendly like the AK12 but alas the AK mounting system is a bit limited and often needs a little mod or tweak to fit some rails on there if they are not specific to your own AK: side SVD quick detach or screw on TM type AK plus the RIS battery cover that seems to fit only on some cyma 39's there is also another one I found recently but seems overkill to me http://www.khmountain.com/airsoft/product_info.php?products_id=3268 on the DIY side of things - the best possible DIY mount seems to be this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hunting-Dovetail-to-Weaver-Adapter-Picatinny-Rail-Scope-Mount-100mm-Length-/331327022780?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item4d24a126bc note how it is curved underneath to help affix to top/battery cover though you still have some bumps or ridges to file down/remove or groove the rail underneath - quite likely the curve or contour may not be a perfect or complete 101% match but certainly better than most "flat" underside rails The main pain is it being a tad short 100mm, a 150mm would be better but suppose fit 2 x 100mm I guess At least if this DIY version was fitted then it wouldn't be such a pain to change battery for some compact AK's The side fitted mounts or 39 mount could be a pain if battery was in top cover The Tri-Mount on KH Mountain has the main rail raised maybe too much I think and the main iron sight on AK sits very very low, so moving back just the rear iron sight even on a slightly higher rail will very likely require the from sight being raised too perhaps Hence the AK12 has real advantages with its more modern out of the box rail look but there are some possible rail options for classic AK's and do hope Cyma might do a " 12 " based rear end AK coz I do like it. Plus the Airsoft AK's do hold up very well even if you hate them - they do hold their own if you give them a go OOoopps soz for going on - probably leave my AK12 as is for now as I said I dunno when I will get round to it (If I actually bother doing the g-box mod - but mega kudos to Chock)

http://grangeairsoft.com/tippmann-hpa-m4-carbine-pre-order/dp/1312 nearly half the price of a polar but still not exactly cheap when some paintball guns are much much cheaper than other tippmann stuff: http://www.store.justpaintball.co.uk/paintball-guns/tippmann/tippmann-bravo-one-tactical.html dunno if anybody has got hold of a tippmann m4 from grange just yet - but blow (excuse the pun) blow me it ain't an absolute bargain when compared to paintball stuff OK - CO2 option and new area they venturing into but still gonna wait n see if price drops to say £250 or there abouts..... Not knocking it - it is great and can see some paintballers crossing over to airsoft but think I will still wait or jam an airline & mac valve into to something (battery req) - let the old gears run without spring/piston tap an airline into cylinder head - run pipe to mac/solenoid out of back of old gearbox but tappet plate still used with gears to load bb's to hopup - little micro switch trigger solenoid ROF can be tweaked up or down by voltage - no major drain coz m120 spring gone so just spins gears plenty of small regulator valves can be fitted to adjust fps and later advanced versions can have a small pic chip or controller circuit to adjust the solenoid "on" time or burst of air volume firing out of cylinder head etc...... Well that is the basic concept in turning old crappy aeg into HPA and is probably quite do-able if you have time or build a mental Vortex mofo from bits of plastic pipe etc..... Can see HPA growing - but atm it is still expensive for what it is - but convert or a diy kit could mean we get hpa and can still use all our favourite models n tweaks n barrels n stuff rather than be tide to polarstar/tippmann stuff

no battery req either like polarstar - yes very very tempted good to see it ain't too silly rof - though 25 would of been better max rof Co2 is a nice touch/option if your tank runs out but reckon it ain't so quick & easy to change over back at safe zone in cold pi$$ing down rain but option is there all the same (dunno why fps would come out on Co2 mag - maybe GG/Butane option might appear maybe) yes been dreaming about one of them for a month now hovering over pre-order button @ Grange But if I do click on it then my wife will be wearing my balls as earings this chrimbo (I actually prefer them where they are and easier to pop into H Samuel on Christmas Eve) afraid I will keep dreaming maybe until spring/Birthday time - keep telling myself it isn't the traditional AEG Airsoft but still having trouble stopping the "buy me" screams (nothing compared to the screams I will make if mrs duck carries out her threat - no promise I think)

eh ???? fanx for the fanx but think this post was very useful and saw a nice gun anyway to each their own for looks and colours/customise etc.... (me personally the colour isn't as important as the actual reliability and accuracy but to each their own)

ABSOLUTELY NOT - this is still breaking the law/rules (yes it can be gifted but still puts the legit UKARA player in an awkward position) If retailer won't do it then why would any player risk it and get their ar$e chewed soz but forget that request - I have tried to help ya as much as i can but doubt if many will cross that line for you - so best not ask that crap I know any 18yr old can buy an osh i boom on JBBG coz I have done it the BFG on zero one may still need form filled out and they may or may not sell to overseas/non-ukara people but that is down to retailer - their choice think JD Airsoft sell a training grenade too but unsure about their rules/regs as well as not sure if they will ship overseas Some sellers will ship some won't (Evike in US will ship to UK but think Airsoft GI won't ship to UK) I would suggest contact Zero One or get your bro to get OshiBoom from JBBG but doubt if any on here will assist you in buying one I'm afraid

like has been said - 2 tone target pistol means jack it is only when you skirmish that the bright orange can give your position away quicker than RIF Like I said a little tiny bit of black paint could be " spilt " on it at a later date but no UKARA then no RIF, still 2-tone is fine and I got a 2-tone CO2/GG pistol that is fine as it is

"rapid" pistol could be quick with an AEP with lipo but pi$$ poor 200fps power Green Gas about 350-ish or CO2 will go to about 450-ish Some of the ASG / KWA CZ range will take both CO2 & GG mags - aprox 22 bb's and has some kick ar$e blowback and fire quicker on CO2 too if not UKARA'd then 2-tone blue slide will be ok and could have a splash of black "spilt" on it

Think it applies to RIF - this is the main reason for UKARA like I said I bought an OshiBoom n blanks with no UKARA http://www.justbbguns.co.uk/subcateg/534/FLASHBANG-GRENADES/515/OH-SHI-BOOM/ plus they also seem to ship to Europe & Ireland - site has prices in Euro's but on ES site they don't seem to list BFG's - so maybe they don't allow them in Spain or don't wish to ship these BFG's overseas (some places prefer people to collect in person some pyro's rather than than post - even to UK addresses) Blow me - JambWow dressed as Santa on main page and some tart dressed up as Mrs Clause jeez that guy is desperate to sell crap on JBBG

in UK "some" things - RIF = black guns require defense or UKARA database entry and maybe some retailers also might req a few checks on BFG's n blanks but think most don't as they are like fireworks on there own They might be some restrictions on BFG's in some countries like Spain but Spain seems less strict than UK on black Realistic Imitation Firearms (RIF) Either way - it would be worth given Zero One a call I reckon on Monday and they can advise you/brother on anything like this

not sure if you need UKARA for BFG's tbh RIF - yes but 2-tone and some other stuff No I got my Oshiboom from JBBG and 2 boxes of 9mm blanks (100 9mm blanks) - before UKARA'd But when ordering Dynatex from zero one, the order was halted until I completed the form I had to d/load, fill out, scan & email back the pyro form from zero one even though they had my UKARA on file (not sure if it was coz of buying 300 x 6.02 primers with BFG - they were on crazy offer at time) Think there was no mention on the form if I was UKARA'd - just declaration I was sesnsible 18+ and understood the do's/don'ts safety issues etc.... basically zero one covering their ar$e I guess Have ordered primers from JD Airsoft but gave them my UKARA anyway.... LWA sell these primers too but when I looked they were out of stock a while ago So think the law on BFG's and blanks especially is a little unclear but think most retailers may not be as strict as when they sell RIF's and all that After all - the blanks & BFG's are sort of just a firework banger in the end and as long as you are 18+ you can buy thunderflash, bangers, blanks, rockets & catherine wheels etc..... As well as 2-tone IF & 2-tone blank firing guns I think I am not gonna use the word "flawed" but is kinda crazy why not all places check or fill out a form etc.... yes a little blank is quite safe if used correctly - but detonate 100 together like a box of bangers and that is dangerous much like a 2-tone IF can still have some sod's eye out I guess if used foolishly Soz for rant - end of day think Spain's Airsoft laws are not as strict as UK - seen loads of cheaper black RIF's and air pistols/rifles I think for sale in Spanish Toy shops for adult purchases so doubt if Spain req defense as such (Ireland doesn't req defense for RIF - but think Germany has a possible rule no full auto airsoft guns but dunno if that true) weird some of this defense malarky - but hey its still banned down under in Australia and blanks/pyro's BFG's etc.... is a little unclear - but think Zero One will know if they are ok to export to Spain

as an alternative you could also look out for Dynatex Blank Firing Hand Grenade http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?products_id=2415 from that site we - in UK have to fill out a form & scan/email it back to them but maybe - and I do not know what their policy is for spain but they do ship overseas http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/delivery_info.php That BFG is a timed BFG taking 9mm blanks or will take 6.02mm shotgun primers with adpter (basically cut a tube about 20mm long that is 9mm outer dia & just over 6mm internal) Impact BFG I have Oshiboom as well as the timed BFG above - both types are good 9mm blanks are about 3 or 4 times as much to buy so worth getting/making 6mm adapter (think if you use imperial size tube it works best 3/8 outer & 1/4 inch inner diameter tube) Alas that site is closed until Monday now but worth looking at and they do ship overseas best of luck

Well perhaps flawed is a strong word but I wouldn't say it is completely 101% perfect Already said I see both sides but we continue to abide by it Yes it can seem to suck or be a bit daft on occasiosions and have thought about this n that but any further checks will be more time/hassle/money We abide by it (UKARA) and that is that - already said about it is site putting their name behind the players and not just gonna do that for love. I retract my statement that it is deffo flawed - but I wasn't just moaning about it rather saying how grateful I am for it Though wasn't they going to implement photo id but that never happened ??? It is a basic database that is all it is, could be more involved but thankfully it isn't (besides even with additional checks that would cost it still would not be 101% perfect I guess) A thanks to all members & retailers - but its a supply n demand chain in the end. If retailers don't do this UKARA then they wouldn't sell so many RIF's and vice versa, we couldn't buy them - so both parties need each other in the end So who is scratching who's back in all this - we all are

Oh it is deffo flawed - but then what ain't in this world ??? You abide by the rules to get something that does actually exist in hard real terms but the database is what is used by retailers to check/verify we have a reason or defense you could even do 3 x half day walk on's - than 3 full days (so the OP could play for 1 day but as 2 x half days if paid in 2 lots) The site may not be ultra $hitty, I mean they run site to make a possible small profit even sites that really enjoy airsoft can't do all the stuff at a loss & just love of it Plus they are the ones who are putting their name down behind a player Yup most places do make a small charge - my site does but they got pi$$ed with too many players doing 3 games get UKARA and just pi$$ off or hit n run so to speak So yeah I totally see both sides of this UKARA coin, and yes its far from perfect BUT though sometimes we moan about it, it could be a LOT LOT WORSE and more involved Heck CRB checks are not cheap - I have had to had a few over the years but my job paid for it plus CRB check is like a MOT - it is valid only up to that date of issue - could be going up for GBH or affray but my CRB 6 months ago says I no previous...... This could also leave to maybe or or two of us who may have done a small stretch or cautioned for a pub brawl when we was younger - that pops up and it could lead to unrealistic judgements perhaps.... I mean it a bloomin' toy gun ffs and if I was some mad sick physco with half a brain I really think I could make up a pain inflicting device - or just grab a tin of black paint and spray it all black etc.... (There a a number of things that can done and I am not gonna list or give anybody ideas) BUT back on topic, this UKARA system is some basic way to keep our crap kind of - sort of regulated a little bit atm we don't have CRB checks, no medical/mental health checks or photo id though photo id might not be a bad idea in my book - but any extra checks/info will cost time/money before anybody thinks I am taking the pi$$ or just moaning - I am grateful that we have this basic form of database and will continue to abide by its terms & conditions (not really much to ask & just common sense) Armed Forces & UKARA - still have to go by the rules - maybe possible a little daft when using real firearms on tour and that is why the UKARA lapsed but what in life is really fair - very very little Final thought - not to be taken the wrong way and in no way a pop at anybody.... Church going Christians - pah I know plenty of real genuine honest christian people with true integrity & morals do anything for anybody and they don't go to church but you don't need to go to church to pray or be a decent chrisitian By that I mean Armed Forces or UKARA'd or both does not completely guarantee anything like being a sensible airsoft player with a high level of safety awareness for those around them (none of that was checked and how could it be checked with just 3 skirmishes under ya belt) OK soz if I trod on any toes - please do not take any crap I say the wrong way it ain't perfect but we go with the flow and this UKARA stuff could be a lot worse in the end

UKARA like many things is far from perfect.... Like many many regs n rules these days No CRB check or sanity check I'd fail that one I could of done a 10yr stretch for armed robbery Come out do a few games and go n get my next RIF for my next job - no I am a sort law abiding guy really Just coz you had it n in armed forces means little to UKARA I'm afraid and we all have to follow those rules You play at a few sites so ask a couple to see if they may help but doubt if they will coz they can't really Sucks but afraid few will do it if they go by the book Maybe the site might renew if you get 2 games in quick That sounds fair to me but each site operates differently But 2 games quick if you was a regular and only just expired this year coz you was away - well that is what I'd do

Not taken any of my AKs apart yet so no AK expert BUT was just saying these cheapo guns are not designed to be taken apart regularly So say you change hop up rubber in 6 months time then these cheapo guns may and I say "may" not hold up well over time and like my B500A1 ooh it is a git to open where as a TM compat M4 pops open much easier to say change hop up rubber It is not gonna be an easy gun to maintain coz of its cheap build Just thought about stuff like changing hop up rubber and ooh crap its all gotta come apart again OK well you could pop in say a 400mm barrel and hop up n rubber, but still if it needs a bit of cleaning, servicing & tweaking then it is not same as servicing "normal" AEG's that was what i was meaning and thought it should be taken into account before buying c'mon CYMA knock out a new AK12 rear end by the New Year maybe ????????

Got mine today, not really played or fired it but a quick couple of things Barrel is 100m shorter than it could/should be - chock did mention this I know BUT - one thing that should be noted and I never fully realised.... This is NOT gonna be a regular skirmish weapon I think coz it won't be so easy to service and maintain - eg: - hop up clean/replacement - the 2 halves will have to come apart again to replace hop up - so the threads will soon strip Now hopefullu somebody like CYMA or maybe JG may remake the ar$e end coz it is just a usual AK front end but more modern body - can't be that hard to remodel a reg AK47 body - I mean we have numerous options to replace a cheap plastic CM28 with a metal body so maybe CM or JG will remake a half decent plastic and maybe later metal body This will make the gun easy to service and maintain - atm don't expect this AK12 to last if you keep taking it apart like I said - but better body and you are onto a winner I reckon I like it - sort of modern AK - ergh yeah that was the idea I know but think it would be a good cross over from the normal M4 user to try out So c'mon on Cyma & JG - make a proper body and start making us a better AK12 reckon it will be a good seller - well I will buy one/two will play more with later but hopup replacement can be a bitch on this Viper one so don't rush out and buy it if you thinking of using it a lot chaps

if its the one that long stick battery that goes down tube then do some checking first..... obviously it will be longer 7.2v = 6x1.2v 8.4v = 7x1.2v 9.6v = 8x1.2v if it is like the thin "stick" battery then be careful - you only have so much room like in some AK's where they use stick battery's depending on AK stock used it "should" fit but on longer batteries you may need to ensure the small tamiya/wires are short as there is gonna be less room left for wires. Also I would suggest sticking to well known makes like Vapex perhaps as some other makes may be a tiny bit thicker and can be difficult to fit inside the tube - it is tight even on good battery makes work out what room you may have by adding on 1 or 2 cells for 8.4v or 9.6v sticks first before you buy compact little gun but pi$$er for changing battery quickly & easily on them

well done sir - if I didn't have so many guns I would be getting 1 or 2 not much to add but I think 5% off coupons are still valid = £66:50 delivered codes horse or coconut but if you wanna save a little more then crazyeyes = 7% = £65.05 delivered (£4:90 saved) dunno why Dom does those bloody daft youtube discount codes total tw*t on coconut - who the heck got his bird to do the horse one and crazy eyes will scare young kids - but hey they help get a few quid off so wtf AHHHhhh double wtf - ordered one - dunno when I will get round to swapping it out but for 65 I could not silence those "buy me" screams no more - damn it

well she sounds quicker but vid sound & wobble is a shame what battery you running in that atm - don't matter coz stubby will let ya shove anything in with less messing about etc.... well done - see how she goes but she got some oomph in her now

keep them well out of the way and remove all mag/batteries etc..... they are feckin dangerous even to drunk adults let alone young kids so always should be treated with respect when he starts school them maybe a nerf gun (5/6/7 yrs old etc...) around 10-ish then show him under close supervision airsoft stuff hopefully by then he would of learned some respect and common safety sense even with nerf some basic eye protection - blah blah blah and this respect will carry over when he is ready to venture into close supervised airsoft well that is my take on this - and perhaps a slow & safe(ish) way to introduce kids to sport if he don't like it then simply tell him this Christmas: Its Nerf of nothin' son

indeed - G&G most fire @ 330 to be used at either 100m or 350fps (yeah I know 330 is over 328(100m/sec) but most sites aren't that ultra strict) either a very very lightly used possible import or 115/120 spring change end of day though it is to the SITE CHRONO - that is the final ruling even if another chrono says this or that the site goes by their chrono end of only way to be sure is to wait n see what that site chrono says before you go too mad opening her up and getting stuff changed - admit most chrono's should be fairly accurate but get it properly chrono'd first - tin cans means jack or low batteries in chrono can give inaccurate results soz if you have had it properly chrono'd already but the "was shooting around 370" seemed a little unsure you can leave gun nearly fully cocked/spring compressed and this can lower or take some tension out of spring if you have proper access to chrono try leaving it cocked overnight & see what she fires in the morning perhaps

Dunno what I admire more - the gun or the ol' geezer's loadout Think it is called the South London Dodgy Car Dealer loadout I love it :) 'ave some of thaaaaat !!!! (in a Mike Reid / Eastender voice) Come to think of it I reckon it was the farmer who owns the land and all this lot are trespassing - and that is a REAL gun..... "Get orf my furkin land you barrsturdssss" - in an Emerdale voice

box mags are 5k drum mags are about half that usually with battery seriously overkill and some sites/players can object even if used as a supposed support M4 gun as i said is a bit noobish - but used just for last game when usually the team results are all over and wtf - lets kick some a$$ for a laugh check with site/players and use sparingly coz it is noobish to use all the time BUT - end of day - last game - perfect for getting back at all them non-hit takers think Marshal's should have one in their M4 machine pistol and inform peeps they will taste HITS big time if they don't take their hits - bet that will ensure more fair play

You don't normally use them for regular battles as they are a bit overkill or noobish - the last game of day is when it comes out as it is just a laugh and a free firing frenzy trying to take n hold positions on last game really (if peeps objected too much then it would stay in bag but normally is just for laugh) I have a couple of the manual wind ones - still holds about 5k but 1 wind is like a a M4 mid cap - about 100 or more before winding again it seems ensure your mag catch is good coz it is a full bag of bb's in there (1kg+ depending on bb weight) mental stuff but like I say normally used on last game coz if everybody ran with this then it would be a bit daft trying to emerge from cover & advance You may need to check with site and players too as some places do limit this sort of thing as is a bit ott - fun but ott - but hell ya,.... you lay down some serious covering fire