Snitching Vs Warranted Concern.

[Cr0-Magnon]

Yeah, I wasn't quite surely what it was when I saw/heard the blank firer as it's not like the Marshals pre-warned anyone and it was just a regular open skirmish day. The Marshal had a word with the guy and I didn't hear it for the rest of the time I was there, but seems the answer to my question was "No...unless you're a regular"

 

Seems us sensible lot will have to sit around in the "safe zone" with full eye and hearing protection.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Cr0-Magnon

[Adolf Hamster]

i've played fields that have on occasion used a blank firing pistol as part of "find the macguffin" games, and in that context ie on a site that allows loud bangs, with everyone under no illusion that the game will end in a literal bang, i see no issue.

 

however random players carrying them as a secondary?

 

at best someone recognises it's a blank, and continues play accordingly

 

at worst someone mistakes it for a real gun, and reacts accordingly

 

in neither case can i see the use of a blank firing pistol in leui of an airsoft pistol has any utility to its user.

 

 

as for cheating chrono? ban 'em, ban their mums, ban their hair, ban their pet chinchilla, ban their best freind's mate's plumbers aunt, ban their children and lay a curse upon their house unto the 9th generation.

 

as for sites that have insufficient chrono/enforcement procedures? well i'd say play somewhere else but that's how i ended up leaving the sport when i ran out of sites.

 

 

 

[CrackCommandoUnit1972]

What's the point of a blank firer at a game?

 

No bb's are coming out of it so you can't hit anyone with it.

[gavinkempsell]

  On 28/08/2023 at 17:42, CrackCommandoUnit1972 said:

What's the point of a blank firer at a game?

 

No bb's are coming out of it so you can't hit anyone with it.

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Possibly because it's the only place they can fire it without someone reporting it to the police.

[C-Diddy]

  On 28/08/2023 at 17:42, CrackCommandoUnit1972 said:

What's the point of a blank firer at a game?

 

No bb's are coming out of it so you can't hit anyone with it.

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Stand in front of someone firing it and I beg to differ

[CrackCommandoUnit1972]

  On 28/08/2023 at 17:57, C-Diddy said:

Stand in front of someone firing it and I beg to differ

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Where I play, there a bang rule but you still have to be pointing a loaded rif at someone. If they don't take their hit you can then shoot them.

If someone shot at me with a blank firer, I might shit my keks but I wouldn't be taking a hit.

[Cannonfodder]

  On 28/08/2023 at 17:57, C-Diddy said:

Stand in front of someone firing it and I beg to differ 

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Blank firing guns have to have the barrel blocked

[C-Diddy]

  On 28/08/2023 at 20:32, Cannonfodder said:

Blank firing guns have to have the barrel blocked

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Yes, they have the barrel blocked so that the gas can cycle the action. 

 

From close range/point blank range, a blank could seriously ruin your day.

  On 28/08/2023 at 18:03, CrackCommandoUnit1972 said:

Where I play, there a bang rule but you still have to be pointing a loaded rif at someone. If they don't take their hit you can then shoot them.

If someone shot at me with a blank firer, I might shit my keks but I wouldn't be taking a hit.

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Not the point I'm making

[Tommikka]

  On 28/08/2023 at 21:15, C-Diddy said:

Yes, they have the barrel blocked so that the gas can cycle the action. 

 

 

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UK legal blank voters have the barrel blocked to ensure that they cannot be converted to fire projectiles from live rounds and also to ensure that the vented gas does not go forwards 

 

Blank firers do vent their gas

[Rogerborg]

  On 28/08/2023 at 21:15, C-Diddy said:

Not the point I'm making

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How many guesses do we get?

[CrackCommandoUnit1972]

I would take a hit if someone shot me with a Nerf gun. In fact, I would shake their hand.

[EvilMonkee]

  On 28/08/2023 at 21:15, C-Diddy said:

Yes, they have the barrel blocked so that the gas can cycle the action. 

 

From close range/point blank range, a blank could seriously ruin your day.

Not the point I'm making

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I think the point that Diddy is making is that Blanks Firers are still dangerous.  I remember in basic training our Flt Sgt put a styrofoam coffee cup over the end of a blank firing device.  Pulled the trigger, and it was shredded by the shotgun like debris that still comes out the end of the barrel, blank or not.  You can lose your eyes if someone shoots a blank too close to you

[C-Diddy]

  On 06/09/2023 at 17:52, EvilMonkee said:

I think the point that Diddy is making is that Blanks Firers are still dangerous.  I remember in basic training our Flt Sgt put a styrofoam coffee cup over the end of a blank firing device.  Pulled the trigger, and it was shredded by the shotgun like debris that still comes out the end of the barrel, blank or not.  You can lose your eyes if someone shoots a blank too close to you

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Yes, exactly. Must admit my only experience with blank rounds is through real steel with BFAs attached, not actual blank firers, which, as pointed out, do have blocked barrels.

 

Appreciate the clarification. 

[Skullchewer]

  On 23/08/2023 at 20:23, Cr0-Magnon said:

"Errrrr....I know who it is, they're a regular'

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Cool. I'm off to another site, see you around.

[SheriffHD]

One thing I've seen a couple of times is people lying about what weight they use at the chrono.

 

[Rogerborg]

  On 07/09/2023 at 11:53, SheriffHD said:

One thing I've seen a couple of times is people lying about what weight they use at the chrono.

 

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<Mounts hobby horse>

 

Which is why sites should be putting their own BBs in for chrono, and 0.4g, not 0.2g

 

</dismounts>

[Adolf Hamster]

  On 07/09/2023 at 14:57, Rogerborg said:

 

<Mounts hobby horse>

 

Which is why sites should be putting their own BBs in for chrono, and 0.4g, not 0.2g

 

</dismounts>

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I mean i can see the validity.

 

I'd go with keeping a stash of speedloaders at chrono with the common weights, ask the player their weight and stuff a few of whatever they say in there.

 

Alternate version, i once made a device for extracting 10bb's from a magazine, think a stub of inner barrel slightly turned down at one end and a pin stuck in the other. Its original purpose was to releive midcap syndrome but such a device could easily be used to extract [known number of bb's] and weigh them.

[Cannonfodder]

  On 07/09/2023 at 15:16, Adolf Hamster said:

I'd go with keeping a stash of speedloaders at chrono with the common weights, ask the player their weight and stuff a few of whatever they say in there.

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Iirc that's what they did at urban assault but with magazines rather than speedloaders as the majority of players were using M4 variants 

[Rogerborg]

  On 07/09/2023 at 16:04, Cannonfodder said:

Iirc that's what they did at urban assault but with magazines rather than speedloaders as the majority of players were using M4 variants 

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Yup, my local CQB sites do that, loaded with 0.2g, with a maximum site weight of 0.25g, so it's reasonable on the face of it.

 

However, what it doesn't control for is when some clever-dickhead is intending to rock 0.4g in his HPA'd m4-mag Franken-Cappa, knowing that it'll chrono much lower with 0.2g and that the chances of being caught are essentially nil.  I lost a fingernail to what I'm convinced was that scenario.

 

There's no perfect solution, but if everyone was informed and honest, then we wouldn't need chrono. If you're going to do it, and do it for safety reasons, you might as well do it properly, and on the precautionary principle.

[Cannonfodder]

 

  On 07/09/2023 at 17:23, Rogerborg said:

There's no perfect solution

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Unfortunately I think the only way to ensure nobody is cheating the chrono would be to only allow 1 weight bought on site, however I'm sure I'm not the the only one who'd avoid a site with such rules

[Rogerborg]

  On 07/09/2023 at 19:20, Cannonfodder said:

only allow 1 weight bought on site

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The only way to police that is to test in game.  Do that, do it a lot, and many of these issues will get caught.  Don't do it, and whatever you did it at the start of the day was just theatre.