Killbox: Taking Airsoft to the next level

[Killbox]

Looking to step up your game in the airsoft range? Come to Killbox® in London, where you and up to six of your buddies can take part in an immersive team-building experience. Operating with airsoft guns and tactical vests, players progress through interconnected rooms while using their problem-solving skills to decode puzzles and codes. There's also an integrated electronic targeting system within each room that records every hit as well as its timing, providing real-time feedback on accuracy and effectiveness so you can hone your marksmanship skills. Are you ready for the challenge? Sign up today!

 

Launching in a secret blacksite in London in April, tickets launching second week of March 2023.

 

https://www.killbox.co.uk

Sign up to the mailing list to enter our competition to win a pairof tickets.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Killbox
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[Rogerborg]

Interesting, but it looks like two separate tasks mashed together: thinking, and shooting.  I mean, have you met airsofters?  

[Cannonfodder]

So it's pretty much an escape room with a bit of target shooting. I think I'll pass

 

[Adolf Hamster]

5 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

Interesting, but it looks like two separate tasks mashed together: thinking, and shooting.  I mean, have you met airsofters?  

 

I mean 0.25 out of 2 aint bad?

[Cannonfodder]

How much are you charging for this and how long does the event last?

[Herrgh]

[A]

 

 

Welp, this'll be perfect for that certain, masochistic breed of milsimmer.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Herrgh
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[Rogerborg]

1 hour ago, Cannonfodder said:

How much are you charging for this and how long does the event last?

 

Looks like To Be Decided.  London rents and rates, 7 at a time, and high amount of wrangling needed, they'll have to churn them through fast, and/or charge proper money for the full waterboarding experience.

[Cannonfodder]

2 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

 

Looks like To Be Decided.  London rents and rates, 7 at a time, and high amount of wrangling needed, they'll have to churn them through fast, and/or charge proper money for the full waterboarding experience.

So it'll be a stupidly high price for a very short time. The more I read about this, the worse it looks

 

@Killbox

"provide your blanket consent to being verbally abused, touched, shocked, force fed, restrained, tied up or subjected to any of the other actions or behaviours which one might reasonably expect from a military scenario."

Am I allowed to fight back in these senarios?

[Tackle]

Lol, right about now @Killboxis questioning whether this forum was the right place to announce his new venture....... 😂🤣😜

[Rogerborg]

[Cannonfodder]

I'm pretty sure the whole consent thing doesn't mean shit. I'm sure I remember hearing about doms at an S&M club being arrested for assault, despite having consent from subs. Killhouse might want to read up on the legal side of this if he doesn't want to end up in court

[Lozart]

7 minutes ago, Cannonfodder said:

I'm pretty sure the whole consent thing doesn't mean shit. I'm sure I remember hearing about doms at an S&M club being arrested for assault, despite having consent from subs. Killhouse might want to read up on the legal side of this if he doesn't want to end up in court

 

Pretty sure that was when all the subs turned out to be politicians or high court judges and the whole thing went away, wasn't it?

18 hours ago, Herrgh said:

 

 

 

 

 

[Cannonfodder]

2 minutes ago, Lozart said:

 

Pretty sure that was when all the subs turned out to be politicians or high court judges and the whole thing went away, wasn't it?

Not sure of the detail. I did find this though

https://www.lawcom.gov.uk/app/uploads/2016/08/No.134-Criminal-Law-Consent-and-Offences-Against-the-Person-A-Consultation-Paper.pdf

 

Page 7 section 1.2

 

A person is guilty of the offence of assault if- (a) of another he intentionally or recklessly applies force to or causes an impact on the body

(i) without the consent of the other, or

(ii)  where the act is intended or likely to cause injury, with or without the consent of the other

 

 

[Lozart]

8 minutes ago, Cannonfodder said:

Not sure of the detail. I did find this though

https://www.lawcom.gov.uk/app/uploads/2016/08/No.134-Criminal-Law-Consent-and-Offences-Against-the-Person-A-Consultation-Paper.pdf

 

Page 7 section 1.2

 

A person is guilty of the offence of assault if- (a) of another he intentionally or recklessly applies force to or causes an impact on the body

(i) without the consent of the other, or

(ii)  where the act is intended or likely to cause injury, with or without the consent of the other

 

 

 

I reckon they'll use the "as long as you follow orders, you won't be harmed" thing as a get-out clause.

[Adolf Hamster]

22 hours ago, Adolf Hamster said:

 

I mean 0.25 out of 2 aint bad?

 

replies to post about some new escape room with airsoft adjacent

 

2 posts later;

18 hours ago, Herrgh said:

 

Spoiler

 

[A]

 

 

 

 

[Rogerborg]

1 hour ago, Lozart said:

I reckon they'll use the "as long as you follow orders, you won't be harmed" thing as a get-out clause.

 

There really shouldn't be a problem as long as customers are properly informed about what to expect[*], and nothing causes lasting injury.  Heck, we pick up bruises and bleeders on a regular basis, and so does anyone playing contact sports, especially combat ones, so "injury" seems rather nebulous.

 

I'm not sure what "shocked" mean, whether that's zapped (good luck finding a safe and legal way to do that), or horrified when you're handed the bill.

 

Force feeding can sod right off though, that's got choke-hazard written all over it. I'd love to see them get liability cover for that.

 

[*] A point I keep broken-drumming about with airsoft sites.  Instead of those risible "waivers" that we all sign which mean nothing, sites would be better off investing the ink on listing the actual hazards that we're likely to encounters, their duty of care, and the limits of it.

[Tackle]

So, 7 friends agree to go to a secret location, pay loadsa wonga & sign a waiver that says "do what you like to me". 

What could possibly go wrong lol. 

.................... 

 

 

 

 

 

[Cannonfodder]

1 hour ago, Lozart said:

 

I reckon they'll use the "as long as you follow orders, you won't be harmed" thing as a get-out clause.

I'm no lawyer but I'd love to see them try to use that in court

 

25 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

I'm not sure what "shocked" mean, whether that's zapped (good luck finding a safe and legal way to do that),

Agreed, especially as tasers and cattle prods are classed as section 5 weapons. As for force feeding, that brings up more liability issues such as potential allergies

 

I see Killhouse hasn't been back since posting this so hopefully this will be one of those projects which get annouced before dieing without anyone hearing any more about it

Edited March 3, 2023 by Cannonfodder

[Tackle]

39 minutes ago, Cannonfodder said:

I'm no lawyer but I'd love to see them try to use that in court

 

Agreed, especially as tasers and cattle prods are classed as section 5 weapons. As for force feeding, that brings up more liability issues such as potential allergies

 

I see Killhouse hasn't been back since posting this so hopefully this will be one of those projects which get annouced before dieing without anyone hearing any more about it

Badly thought out hairbrained schemes that involve Airsoft, usually touted by by prepubescent middle class eedjits with tiny amounts of life experience/Airsoft knowledge/business acumen ?. 

 

Nah, I've never seen anything like that posted up on an airsoft forum 😏

[Hudson]

9 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

The forum to Killbox:

 

"Go away now!"

[Cannonfodder]

"Secret location"

 

A subtle way of saying we haven't found a venue dumb enough to let us do this yet

[Tommikka]

5 hours ago, Cannonfodder said:

I'm pretty sure the whole consent thing doesn't mean shit. I'm sure I remember hearing about doms at an S&M club being arrested for assault, despite having consent from subs.

 

5 hours ago, Lozart said:

 

Pretty sure that was when all the subs turned out to be politicians or high court judges and the whole thing went away, wasn't it?

 

 

******Be warned that reading up on this is at your own risk and isn’t for the faint hearted*****

At the very least this can result in crossing your legs, wincing and horrific images in your imagination 

 

Operation Spanner covers the investigation and prosecutions - the whole thing never went away.

Prosecutions took place escalating through magistrates, crown court and to the Old Bailey with guilty verdicts covering 8 convictions sentenced between 18 months and 4 1/2 years 

 

Appeals were unsuccessful in the appeals court, House of Lords and European court of human rights 

Guilty verdicts remained standing. 
 

Protests, a legal review and proposed legislation changes came to nothing.

 

For @Killboxthe situation remains that to the very least ‘consent is limited’ 

Let alone a basic duty of care if you’re ‘shocking’ someone who doesn’t realise that they have a heart condition.

It’s quite timely to think about a reckless act and being imprisoned for manslaughter 

[Herrgh]

3 hours ago, Tackle said:

Badly thought out hairbrained schemes that involve Airsoft, usually touted by by prepubescent middle class eedjits with tiny amounts of life experience/Airsoft knowledge/business acumen ?. 

 

Nah, I've never seen anything like that posted up on an airsoft forum 😏

 

Middle class, maybe. But not prepubescent in this case. The named director is 44-45 years old. He's also a "NFT and Metaverse specialist" at another company he's director of. And a crypto investor!

 

I swell with confidence that Killbox will be a success. Dibs on the NFT of the consent page on the website lol.

[Tommikka]

@Killbox

On a different tack the information quoted is contradictory - you can’t have full consent that cannot be withdrawn plus a safe word that withdraws consent

 

This ‘waiver’ is much worse than a waiver as it’s full of various words that have been thought of and thrown together 

 

 

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A themed escape room experience will be sellable to people 

The audience isn’t really airsofters.  They are either going out for a day of randomly shooting people or getting immersed into a themed scenario format.  They may like to play with some gadgets, go for a mission objective etc 

 

But the basic idea is right up the street of ‘experience’ days for groups, stags, hens etc 

If you’re just bigging up a story line then calm it down a bit, but if you are planning a ‘high intensity’ abusive experience then step back for a hard rethink  

[Herrgh]

I would just like juxtapose these two bits of the website:

[A]

 

 

Yeah, I don't think I'm going to be taking my family along for a fun day of being "exposed to and (potentially) participating in scenes of brutal and/or sexual nature." I don't think anyone wants to see their parents or siblings "consensually" force-fed while "consensually" hooked up to a car battery.