Rogerborg

It's a toss up whether the marshals will be able to cope with that, let alone the players.

Hmm, a different make and and model is coming in about the same energy? You're definitely not testing with 0.12? If not, you might want to check your chrono against another one. At the end of the day (well, at the start) it's the site chrono that will matter.

All the more to spent on extra pistol mags that you'll never use either.

My understanding is that EU sellers can charge VAT and duty at source, and have to do it for anything under £135. It's just that for reasons best known to themselves, aren't bothering. AliExpress sellers don't seem to have any problems with it - or at least with claiming that they're doing it, which isn't necessarily the same thing.

And we know that the laws don't make much sense when you could go and buy an airgun that looks identical with nothing more than a bit of ID, but we are where we are. We generally recommend renting for 3 games (over a period of at least 8 weeks) to get a UKARA defence, but if you don't want to wait, buying two-tone is a viable option.

As an example of how utterly fouled up firearms law is, it's actually not an offence to sell a Section 5 firearm. It's an offence to possess, purchase or acquire one though. This is the exact opposite of VCRA Section 36.

Was that me? What was I doing standing up there! Happy there we could play there, sad that we can't, happy that we're getting Depot 2.0, sad that it will never be Depot 1.0. Were you there for the day when the "last man standing" was actually hiding in the chest freezer in the kitchen? Seen at a site: Concerned Player: "Come down from there, you'll hurt yourself." Tree Wookie: "I'm a professional tree surgeon, I do this for a living." Concerned Player: "No, it's not safe, come down, it's not saaaafe." Risk averse people who choose to get hard plastic shot at their faces always confuse me.

Oof. Yes, what you've been sold there isn't an airsoft gun as it's over 1.3J and capable of full auto, which makes it by default a Section 5 go-to-jail prohibited firearm. One thing though, you are testing it with 0.2g BBs, not whatever random yellow blobs came in the box with it? I do have to ask because the top hits for it are from BBgunz4u style sites, or pre-two-toned.

Yes, that. Snap, 3 x timed, 1 x TRMR multishot, and I've mostly stopped taking them out in woodland now. The only time I ever threw a bright yellow .209 timed VTG outdoor, it landed right underneath somebody, banged, and they played on and shot me until I pointed out where it had gone off. They're just not a good solution to woodland problems.

/thread If you want something done right, do it yourself.

The tl;dr version.

That is a pickle, isn't it? I've been to sites with a strict[*] "don't touch anything that doesn't belong to you" rule, but that's a great way of ensuring that the only people picking up an item will be its owner, a marshal, or a thief - and the last two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. If there's a marshal in sight, I tend to wave them over, or pick it up and take it right to them, holding it out conspicuously. If not, it's a bit of a bind: I know that I'm not going to nick it, but if it's sitting in a place where I could, then somebody less ethical could too. Even moving something a little to a more or less conspicuous location can be a problem. I was briefly convinced that I'd had a TRMR nicked at a "leave it where it is" site, when some helpful chap had just lifted it off the floor and put it up on a shelf, exactly where I wasn't looking for it. 🙄 [*] Strict in the sense that they say it, but then a lot of sites say a lot of stuff that they don't really mean.

Then (unless they're CQB with a 0.25g limit or so) they're wasting everybody's time by chronoing at all. They're really chronoing bolt actions and HPA using 0.2g? There's actually a potential legal issue there, given the possibility for guns to Joule creep over the 1.3J / 2.5J airsoft definitions, and become section 5 firearms, or air guns. To be clear, I have no problem with that. Well, I mean, I have a problem with trusting players - again, that's just chrono theatre - but having a handy-dandy chart with weights and fps limits makes practical sense. My issue is really about how sites specify limits. When I see a site saying (e.g.) 1.2J AEG / 1.88J DMR / 2.32J bolt action, that's all I need to know to set up for that site by chronoing at home with the ammo weights that I'll be using. When they say 360fps / 450fps / 500fps, I have to go through the pointless step of converting those numbers to Joules, for no good reason at all. Worse, if they're thinking in terms of 0.2g, then it can lead to them using 0.2g for chronoing, with the aforementioned pointlessness and pitfalls.

Yowch. Opinions vary, wildly. They sell a lot of blue-and-orange tat, some of it with plastic gearboxes good only for backyard plinking. However, they also sell some of the exact same RIFs as you'll get anywhere else, and they can sometimes be cheaper. I've bought from them a couple of times, but I knew exactly what I wanted, and why, and had done the sums on it. They used to do a secret discount if you left something in your basket for 24 hours, but I didn't get offered that the last time I tried it - so went elsewhere. Their videos review by Sweaty Moobs Dom are hilarious, but not informative: they always lie about energy levels, and frequently show fps number using 0.12g BBs. There's also some risk of being sent a returned gun being resold as "new". They turn over a huge amount of stock, a lot of it flogged to nose-pickers, or drunken regret purchases. Approach with considerable caution, and don't buy anything from them that you can't also find listed at a more serious site like PatrolBase.

It's not about accuracy, or even about cheating the chrono, it's about it being the most useful number given the vast range of BB weights being used by players. Simply put, if a site says "350fps", then you'll have to convert to Joules and then back to the fps for whatever weirdo weight of BBs that you're using. Almost nobody (in woodland) will be chronoing with an actual 350fps limit, and no (woodland) site should be using 0.2g BBs at the chrono. So let's just skip that first step, and tell us the Joules number.

No, all I've done is take pictures of the serial numbers on my belt-full of BFGs. Even at that, I think it's vastly unlikely that I'd be lucky enough to catch a pikey who's pocketed one, given that sites seem to - at most - just shrug and say "Oh dear, we'll make an announcement at the next briefing". I've yet to see or hear of one locking the place down and frisking folk, which is what it would take. And from a liability and duty of care point of view, they're smarter to not get involved. I guess this gets back to my Default Rant #3, that airsoft is a delicious punch bowl spoiled by a very few turds bobbing around in it. If sites were a bit more proactive about punting wrong-uns right out of the hobby, it would be better for us and for them.

What a stupid, pointless idea. Of course, I love it. Airtac UK has been working on a shotgun tracer, so it's not that outré. https://www.airtac.me/product-page/shotgun-tracer Caveat, when I've done hop-up tracer units, they've always been rather disappointing, even when I've bought the most lumeny "UV" LEDs that eBay can provide (for pennies each). I'm not sure what you'd have to do to ensure that you get ones that are really UV and bright enough to charge up BBs in a fraction of a second.

Mine's half way through transitioning into a laspistol... and has been for ages. I mean, they work, and they work consistently, but I find it's more fun to BLAM-BLAM-BLAM and miss with a GBB than to sput once and hit with an AEP.

I can't figure out the threshold. The chap I saw on Facebook (which I can't find now, because Facebook) was flogging stuff in the tens of pounds, which surprised me. I'm guessing that if you get too many (or any) contested payments or chargebacks then they might put you on the guilty-until-proven-innocent list. Despite my habit of slamming in immediate but honest disputes/chargebacks at the first opportunity when a bad seller messes up, I do have a lot of sympathy with the good ones who get unlucky enough to be screwed over by a rogue buyer. Then again, a seller could send a tracked postcard saying "Whistle for your item" and might win the case. I hanker for the days when a fellow's word was his bond.

"Civil" "Service" though, but point taken, they'll have their targets just like any other low level footpads.

Site BBs in your mag, 0.3g or higher - I'd actually say 0.4g+ these days. If a site can't afford that, they've got bigger problems. And to veer dangerously close to getting back on topic, using a single weight of site BBs also allows dinosaurs to keep thinking in fps, as they'll only have three numbers to deal with: AEG, DMR, sniper. It just shouldn't be 0.2g BBs, and 350 / 400-something / 500, for the obvious reason that these numbers and energy levels won't represent what will actually be produced on the field when everyone switches to 0.28g - 0.46g BBs. There are exceptions, like CQB sites which only allow up to (e.g.) 0.25g, when the Joule creep over 0.2g isn't likely to be massive. But for woodland, in general, quoting in 0.2g fps figures is risibly old fashioned. Because at the end of the day (well, at the start of it), they don't really mean (e.g.) 350fps, they mean (e.g.) 1.13J, and all of their numbers for other BB masses are derived by converting 350fps x 0.2g to Joules, and then back again. So why not skip the pointless first step, and just specify and think in terms of Joules in the first place?

If you're not going to do it thoroughly, with an assumption that everybody is trying to avoid or cheat the chrono, then why bother at all? I really mean this. If you assume that everybody is honest, then a chrono is only there so that we can self-check. If you assume that there's even one problem person out there, then finding and catching them requires more than a cursory, easily skipped, and half hearted process. I'd far, far rather that sites did a lot more in-game chronoing with their own 0.3g+ BBs, punted guns back to the safe zone if they're a little over, and players off the site if they're well over. Anything else is just theatre. </rant number two>

That. It doesn't matter why you did it, it doesn't matter if you enjoyed it, if doesn't even matter if you copped out half way through and now you feel bad, man, because feelings don't alter reality. All that matters is that you did something, anything at all. Right, lunchtime cycle time.

Chargeback, no delay, no debate. We're far too passive about those sort of shenanigans.

Joules, every time. It's not the 1990s, and nobody (apart from indoor CQB) is using 0.2g any more. I've heard the argument that fps is easier to understand because it's one big round number, but that's self-delusional reactionary geezerism. Sure, saying "350fps" is simple, but it's not helpful when it's not going to apply to the majority of players, and they need to translate into Joules, then back to fps for their BB weight. Even worse is sites saying "Oh, everybody knows what we mean", when that's demonstrably not the case. I've seen multiple people on Failbook saying "Yeah, I'm shooting .32g at 330, that's fine, right? Under 350, yeah?" Anyone who has a chrono at home can set it to Joules and their BB weight, end of argument. Anyone who doesn't, well, they don't matter to the argument, because what are they going to do with the information? Look at retailer clamed fps? Those are (at best) results for one example, not the one that you'll receive, and when sites start to specify in Joules, and chrono with site 0.3g+ BBs, then retailers will eventually follow along. </rant>