heroshark Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Tbf the stock tm mk23 is a similar price bracket to the ssx but the ssx has some bits pre upgraded. So the ssx will give some extra performance over a stock tm. But the ssx is essentially an upgraded mk23 clone and there's much better mk23 internal upgrades than what's in the ssx. So to pick up a clone and upgrade it is more cost effective and with the right upgrades you will out perform the ssx. Provided you aren't bothered by the metal slide, not sure what the cost would be if you added that. As for the ssp1 it's a kjw with a few internal upgrades. It does work out at a reasonable price if you where to buy a kjw and the same upgrades separate I did work it out once. Kjw are hit and miss which is why novs is. That said I'd rather have a tm capa than it, but then there's lots of gbb pistols I'd have over the tm capa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rups Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Adolf Hamster said: Meanwhile mans is here running a battered old tm hicapa on nuprol 4.0 for the past 2 years.... And bearing in mind that gun was at least third hand when i got it and the only "upgrades" are the hop rubber and barrel (which arent strictly necessary i just can't leave a gun stock no matter how good it is). Skara's passion for this is because he made the mistake you seem dead set on making and wants to save you the headache. He's a good guy and he might sound rude here but in his own words better to be honest and sound like a dick than lie. As you can see he's by no means the only one who's speaking from experience. Even the guy who got a "good" ssp1 is saying the same thing. End of the day you can buy what you like, but you're asking for our opinion and we're providing it. Thanks. But can you point out ehat makes even the stock tm better than the ssp1 im starting this airsoft thingy and this just seems good because as i understand its upgraded out of the box. The cost of tm 5.1 and ssp1 would be same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asomodai Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 42 minutes ago, Rups said: Thanks. But can you point out ehat makes even the stock tm better than the ssp1 im starting this airsoft thingy and this just seems good because as i understand its upgraded out of the box. The cost of tm 5.1 and ssp1 would be same. Have you completely ignored the entire thread? You want us to say get the Novritsch guns and you wont stop hanging on to the idea of getting one until someone actually recommends it. 99% of people will recommend a TM. There is a reason for that. You're new to the sport, you've been blinded by Novs videos. We are for the most part experienced airsofters on here and we are telling you, get a TM. TM's work flawlessly out of the box, great gas consumption so you can use them in the winter, completely upgradeable if needed and are utterly reliable. The chances of getting a lemon with the Nov gun are much higher. They dont perform as well and you are paying for the name. But if you insist on the SSX or SSP and you want to waste your money on something Inferior then a TM then get the SSP. Less to go wrong with it because it's not a blowback pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skara Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Asomodai said: Have you completely ignored the entire thread? You want us to say get the Novritsch guns and you wont stop hanging on to the idea of getting one until someone actually recommends it. 99% of people will recommend a TM. There is a reason for that. You're new to the sport, you've been blinded by Novs videos. We are for the most part experienced airsofters on here and we are telling you, get a TM. TM's work flawlessly out of the box, great gas consumption so you can use them in the winter, completely upgradeable if needed and are utterly reliable. The chances of getting a lemon with the Nov gun are much higher. They dont perform as well and you are paying for the name. But if you insist on the SSX or SSP and you want to waste your money on something Inferior then a TM then get the SSP. Less to go wrong with it because it's not a blowback pistol. Don't bother. It's just not worth it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Yukarin Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, Rups said: Thanks. But can you point out ehat makes even the stock tm better than the ssp1 im starting this airsoft thingy and this just seems good because as i understand its upgraded out of the box. The cost of tm 5.1 and ssp1 would be same. Ill give you the pros and cons of each , bearing in mind I agree with everyone else about getting the TM. Pros of the SSP1: Metal Slide (TM's is plastic) Hop up can supposedly lift heavy BBs (very little point unless this pistol is your primary, which would be stupid). Supposedly CO2 ready Cons of the SSP1: Spotty Quality Control, especially on the magazines. Expect feeding issues and the like. Not fully compatible with the Tokyo Marui standard (TM Hicapas are the original hicapa and the Novritsch is somewhat a clone) Heavy slide = Bad winter performance unless you use CO2 Pros of the TM: Plastic slide is very light which means the gun is very responsive and snappy, performs well in the winter. Legendary TM quality control, it will work out of the box with the only thing you have to fiddle with being the hop up. Thousands of upgrade parts available, probably the most supported pistol platform out there in airsoft. Good Magazines Cons of the TM: Plastic slide may eventually break. Hop up may not be able to lift Heavy BBs. Definitely not CO2 compatible at all. If you are genuinely new to airsoft and didn't know about the specifics of Novritsch's products its understandable why you could see that his products appear better. My recommendation, get a TM HI-CAPA, run it until the slide breaks (will be quite a while), then get a metal slide if you so wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroshark Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Also to note the kjw co2 mags are crap and don't last 5min. I've had one's not hold gas from new. And all sprung a leak after 4-5 bulbs max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tackle Posted March 14, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, heroshark said: Also to note the kjw co2 mags are crap and don't last 5min. I've had one's not hold gas from new. And all sprung a leak after 4-5 bulbs max. I think your off someone's Christmas card list 😒 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK47frizzle Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Unlucky i guess. All kjw mags ive had worked really well. I've had multiple 1911 and hi capa co2 mags from kjw and not had problems at all, except in the cold as expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tackle Posted March 14, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 14, 2020 On 13/03/2020 at 14:48, Rups said: Hi, so im wondering whitch is better. The non blowback or blowback. Help me out pls Fuck it, buy them both, you want them so just have them, you deserve them, you've worked hard for them 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroshark Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Got 5 or 6 of the bloody things. Then again it was when they where first out so could be something to do with early ones. Also happened with a few mates same issue with the 1911 ones. Complained to kjw and they just tried to sell me more seals and I thought fuck it I'll stick with standard gas. With a few mods and a nice aluminum slide it didn't run too bad on green tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DestrO Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 the SSX23 is a better rival to its counterparts than the SSP1 is to the other capas on market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr0-Magnon Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 I got one of the first batch of SSX23's, it worked very well......apart from the jamming/double feeding. Slightly frustrating that Nov's immediate reaction was to release a video telling people they weren't putting BB's in the mags correctly or even more ludicrously weren't pulling the trigger correctly. However this year they've released the "2020 Version" and guess what.....the main improvement is...drum roll please..... "All new feed lips"....but wait, I thought there was nothing wrong with the first lot Novy ol' boy!? IMO at least two feedlips should have been sent out FOC to anyone who'd bought the first iteration. Anyway I bought some and now really like my SSX23, it's quiet, shoots far and is reliable. Anyway, that was just me venting. As already stated, we don't know your play style. One is more suitable for CQB and the other long distance....it's obvious which is which, so only you can make that choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveocee Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 19 hours ago, Cr0-Magnon said: However this year they've released the "2020 Version" and guess what.....the main improvement is...drum roll please..... "All new feed lips"....but wait, I thought there was nothing wrong with the first lot Novy ol' boy!? IMO at least two feedlips should have been sent out FOC to anyone who'd bought the first iteration. I had exactly the same problem with my STTi clone mag lips. I tried to source some genuine TM lips and failed but instead ended up with WE M9 lips which are exactly the same fitment. Has been feeding perfectly since and for £9 I won't complain. My £40 STTi hopping 0.4's outranges pretty much all >350fps AEG's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMole Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I own a Standard TM5.1, a WE big dragon 7.1, a Mike Cripps heavily modified TM Goldmatch (£500 of mods) and a SSP1 (with cutaway slide and short stroked). I run all 3 on the highest gas that provides just less than 350fps at the time. TM plastic slide on the 5.1 happily running Nuprol Black in the cold. I have 15 hi-cappa mags in total 4xTM, 8Novi the rest ebay jobs I use the SSP1 as my skirmish gun, and its loud, fast and reasonably accurate and reliable. it wears a O-light Balder laser and 1500 lumen light, always run on black gas I use the Mike Cripps Special for IPSC and target work, it is laser accurate. it runs on Black gas all year round as recommended by Mike. It is an amazing pistol. 4" cluster at 25m The 5.1 is for play and I'm slowly upgrading it, Still plastic slide and normally on red or black gas. Is pretty good stock The WE 7.1 was an impulse buy. it's not accurate for anything other than close range skirmish, and is too hot just on green gas. Had to strip and rebuild it to get it to work OK The SSX-23 is for sniping. its quiet, accurate and longer range than most AEG's, runs green to black gas based on the temperature as per Novi's guides I've had no major issues with any gun However TM mags leak like sieves from the base O rings until you service and seal them Novi's feed lips benefit from a quick file to improve feeding on both the SSP1 and SSX23, his newer feed lips are much better Both TM and Niv's mags are completely interchangeable in my guns. Issues are normally fixed by changing router height Cheapy ebay mags often have issues with leaks and fit P.S. I also have AA G17 TM Python 4" TM Desert Eagle HSG B92 SRC B92 The hi-cappa's out shoot them all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad666 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 One thing i will add to that after reading these comments.. go TM.. I Collect TM pistols, my wife collects WE and she will agree TM has better performance but looks and feels like a toy out of poundland compared to hers. I was looking into getting the ssp1 and ssx pistols too but had bad feedback on these. But i do own a ssg24 and i had absolutely fantastic customer service from the NOV team when i enqired about the item and also advise on the scope and takedown of the rifle. I have worse customer service in our airsoft shops in the uk as all they want is your money and its worse when your face to face with them saying buy this it will make your weapon more accurate!! When you cant see a change as you already have a tight bore fitted with decent rubber and hop unit. Also i think steveoc is a pure knob gobler for replying that comment as it was pure rude and shouldnt be able to comment like that on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveocee Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 On 04/04/2020 at 14:50, Brad666 said: Also i think steveoc is a pure knob gobler for replying that comment as it was pure rude and shouldnt be able to comment like that on this forum! Shame nobody asked or cares for your opinion of me then. If you don't like something then use the report button, other than that you're just a random nobody on the internet disagreeing with another random nobody. **See not only did I reply I was also helpful to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Adolf Hamster Posted April 17, 2020 Supporters Share Posted April 17, 2020 On 04/04/2020 at 14:50, Brad666 said: Also i think steveoc is a pure knob gobler for replying that comment as it was pure rude and shouldnt be able to comment like that on this forum! strong first post...... also which comment are you referring to? because as far as i can tell steve's done his best to help the op in this thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skara Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 We all know Steve's a knob. But we don't tell him he just knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveocee Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Skara said: We all know Steve's a knob. But we don't tell him he just knows I think you'll find the term is "knob gobbler" 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skara Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Steveocee said: I think you'll find the term is "knob gobbler" 😂 ooooooooh. got it (not being an English native sucks) And yes, we knew that too already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Tackle Posted April 17, 2020 Moderators Share Posted April 17, 2020 See, Steves an international celebrity, & not rude at all 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveocee Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Tackle said: See, Steves an international celebrity, & not rude at all 😏 Curse of fame mate. Get more than 1 follower and you have to treat em mean to keep the likes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alimcd Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The Ted Crilly warning is one of the best things is seen in a while. Love this place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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