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2 hours ago, MisterG said:

Lol

 

You weren't even born when the C64 came out.  I had one in my early teens.

 

And you still weren't born when I replaced it with an Amiga 500 😄

I know I wasn't born, but still it was my first pc/console/anything ;) 

Nowadays kids only know Xboxes or Playstations ;)

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Used to sit for hours on an Acorn BBC Micro, Vic20 and C64 typing code just to make a pixel move accross the screen in red.

 

Half the time it would come back saying error in line 2 or similar due to a typo in the book or myself. No way of amending it either!

 

I miss the old SHIFT + RUNSTOP...(press play on tape). then wait to press the magical Commodore Key.

 

45 mins later a game may load.

 

HA! Tape to tape was mental for copying games, seems bizarre now.

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What he doesn’t realise is any reputable shop will not send a RIF to an address that isn’t the UKARA number registered address. 

 

So even if I did give him my UKARA number, he’d buy it and it would have to be sent to me. 

 

That would be a crying shame.

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5 hours ago, Compulsive Reload said:

Yeah I haven't played the remaster yet, I'm an original spyro player tbh, ps1/ps2 era was the days. With frodo? What the actual fuck.



Yeah, "Legend of Spyro" Series voiced by Elija Wood. 

The girl dragon in it is pretty hawt.....

...I said nothing. 

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Personally, I think we should send the little scamp to bed with no dinner, then seE if  he wants to annoy the grown ups tomorrow.

And remember, there is always the naughty step after that 😎

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2 hours ago, Prisce said:

What he doesn’t realise is any reputable shop will not send a RIF to an address that isn’t the UKARA number registered address.

 

I'd be fairly confident that his intended retailer will have a "BB" in the name.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Slamz said:

Unfortunately it's not this clear cut. Technically a UKARA holder could go buy a RIF, then gift or sell the RIF to the OP and it would not be illegal. 

 

There is nothing in VCRA that mentions retailers or commercial sale.  All sales of RIFs are illegal, always, whether private or commercial.  You may adduce a defence.

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34 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

 

There is nothing in VCRA that mentions retailers or commercial sale.  All sales of RIFs are illegal, always, whether private or commercial.  You may adduce a defence.

 

I was specifically talking about UKARA not the VCRA in an attempt to show it's limitations, maybe I failed.

 

Is UKARA even mentioned in the VCRA as an acceptable defence actually? As I can't find direct reference. 

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Thing is your UKARA is normally the site membership number and that's the defence is it not? To show you're an active member of a Skirmish site and therefore have a legitimate reason for owning and transporting RIFs (to the site & home etc).

 

The fact that the number is also a green light for shops is a bonus and simplifies having multiple numbers for each (even though you can have multiple active UKARA numbers and site memberships).

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this, like most ukara based threads is going way off topic as usual, lets get back on topic & continue to roast the spacker that started it 😜, who probably isn't even old enough to buy a two-tone.

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Screw you lot going on about gaming on your commodore 64’s and you amiga’s I’m so old My first console was a brick ! you wanna try playing pong with your older brother with one of those , first game I played I woke up in intensive care on a ventilator !😳

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4 hours ago, Slamz said:

 

 

I was specifically talking about UKARA not the VCRA in an attempt to show it's limitations, maybe I failed.

 

Is UKARA even mentioned in the VCRA as an acceptable defence actually? As I can't find direct reference. 

No.  UKARA isn’t in any of the legislation, it’s an industry scheme to fulfil a defence to show that the intended use is airsoft skirmishing at insured sites

 

The VCRA doesn’t have airsoft as a valid defence either, only the following:

 

2)Those purposes are—

(a)the purposes of a museum or gallery;

(b)the purposes of theatrical performances and of rehearsals for such performances;

(c)the production of films (within the meaning of Part 1 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48)_see section 5B of that Act);

(d)the production of television programmes (within the meaning of the Communications Act 2003 (c. 21)_see section 405(1) of that Act);

(e)the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments organised and held by persons specified or described for the purposes of this section by regulations made by the Secretary of State;

(f)the purposes of functions that a person has in his capacity as a person in the service of Her Majesty.

 

But the VCRA does allow the Secretary of State to add other defences.  The skirmisher Defence is provided by the SoS by Statutory Instrument and not direct VCRA legislation, and that also does not specify the UKARA as a legal requirement 

 

5)The power of the Secretary of State to make regulations under subsection (3) shall be exercisable by statutory instrument subject to annulment in pursuance of a resolution of either House of Parliament.

(6)That power includes power—

(a)to make different provision for different cases;

(b)to make provision subject to such exemptions and exceptions as the Secretary of State thinks fit; and

(c)to make such incidental, supplemental, consequential and transitional provision as he thinks fit.

 

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10 hours ago, Immortal said:

Thing is your UKARA is normally the site membership number and that's the defence is it not? To show you're an active member of a Skirmish site and therefore have a legitimate reason for owning and transporting RIFs (to the site & home etc).

 

The fact that the number is also a green light for shops is a bonus and simplifies having multiple numbers for each (even though you can have multiple active UKARA numbers and site memberships).

 

Regarding my above quoted reply; if I am wrong could someone tell me what my defence is? 

 

In a nutshell I thought the site membership was the defence? Not the UKARA number itself.

 

Please, no jargon! Just simple stuff so I can understand as I clearly haven't.

 

No issue being told I am wrong but I'd like to know what the answer is.

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I was under the impression defence could be as simple as 'i know the guy.  He plays airsoft.  I have played with them x times' ?

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3 hours ago, Immortal said:

if I am wrong could someone tell me what my defence is?

 

As a seller?

 

It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence [of selling a RIF] in respect of any conduct to show that the conduct was for the purpose only of making the imitation firearm in question available for one or more of: the purposes of a museum or gallery; the purposes of theatrical performances and of rehearsals for such performances; the production of films (within the meaning of Part 1 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (c. 48)_see section 5B of that Act); the production of television programmes (within the meaning of the Communications Act 2003 (c. 21)_see section 405(1) of that Act); the organisation and holding of historical re-enactments organised and held by persons specified or described for the purposes of this section by regulations made by the Secretary of State; the purposes of functions that a person has in his capacity as a person in the service of Her Majesty; the organisation and holding of permitted activities for which public liability insurance is held in relation to liabilities to third parties arising from or in connection with the organisation and holding of those activities[*]; the purposes of display at a permitted event.

 

For the purposes of this [defence] a person shall be taken to have shown a matter specified [above] if: sufficient evidence of that matter is adduced to raise an issue with respect to it; and the contrary is not proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

 

[*] Which may mean the organisation and holding of airsoft skirmishing. This is defined by reference to “permitted activities”, depending if the Home Office today believes what the Home Office of 2007 believed.

 

I know that's tl;dr and not what you were looking for, but that is what your defence is.

 

The pickle is that "for the purposes of" speaks to future intent rather than past behaviour, and that the onus is on you to "show sufficient evidence" of it.  To me, that means a future booking to play airsoft at a skirmish site which has (or claims to have) third party insurance.

 

However, the Home Office circular only refers to "members of a genuine skirmishing club or site" (using essentially the UKARA system) as a defence.

 

Absent case law on a successfully defended prosecution, we don't don't what a court will and won't accept.

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10 hours ago, Immortal said:

 

Regarding my above quoted reply; if I am wrong could someone tell me what my defence is? 

 

In a nutshell I thought the site membership was the defence? Not the UKARA number itself.

 

Please, no jargon! Just simple stuff so I can understand as I clearly haven't.

 

No issue being told I am wrong but I'd like to know what the answer is.

 

You provide the seller with a defence by proving to them that you're a site member.  You don't need to defend yourself since buying a gun isn't a crime, selling one is. 

 

Weird distinction I know, but the myth of "my defence" has been going around far too long. 

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7 minutes ago, jcheeseright said:

 

You provide the seller with a defence by proving to them that you're a site member.  You don't need to defend yourself since buying a gun isn't a crime, selling one is. 

 

Weird distinction I know, but the myth of "my defence" has been going around far too long. 

 

Thank you for clarifying for me. All this time I have misunderstood. My own edition of fake news stops here.... :lol:

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I know it doesn't seem to make sense, but in practical terms it's easier to police a few sellers than many buyers.

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25 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:

I know it doesn't seem to make sense, but in practical terms it's easier to police a few sellers than many buyers.

 

That's the bit I had misunderstood as I thought it was visa versa. 👍

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1 hour ago, Immortal said:

 

That's the bit I had misunderstood as I thought it was visa versa. 👍

Unless you’re importing of course !!!!

The section 36 offences are 

 

 

36Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if—

(a)he manufactures a realistic imitation firearm;

(b)he modifies an imitation firearm so that it becomes a realistic imitation firearm;

(c)he sells a realistic imitation firearm; or

(d)he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to be brought into Great Britain.

 

 

Retailers and private sellers are concerned with 36.1.c

Buyers/players could be concerned with a,b & d

A foreign seller would not be subject to prosecution under 36.1.d but the importing buyer could be 

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