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I don't even know what we're discussing anymore... 😆

Welcome Carl (you youngster) All those in your list are good but are you sure you want to sink that kind of money into the hobby straight away? As Roger said, there are quite a few people selling their purchases for various reasons soon after getting them. Do a search for 'best starter gun' and read some of the previous posts on the subject. You can get a decent shooting gun for under £200 and although it won't have recoil or last round hold you'll get some good experience and better able to decide what to buy next. Plus its always good to keep your first gun as a backup. EDIT: Buying second hand may not be a good choice without a bit more experience. If you get something that isn't performing well or has a problem you won't know about it or be able to fix it immediately. Better to get something that has a known performance and with more experience you'll know what looks or sounds suspicious in a sale. We always advise to rent for your first 3 games so you can be registered with UKARA and it will give you some experience and influence your future choice of weapon... Having a UKARA number also allows you to buy a realistic looking gun.

Yeah, I think everything got confused by referring to the video as an example of lower velocity = more energy into target which ONLY applies to hollow point spin stabilized projectiles. Saying that lower energy = lower velocity or heavier projectile = lower velocity is just following the formula so not in contention. Are we all happy? 😁

Its a bit more complicated than that with airsoft BBs. Look up 'Joule Creep' but... Yes, a heavier BB will go slower and possibly further because its less affected by wind but that's nothing to do with what the video is showing.

I've had a few of mine (cheaper makes) for about 4 years with no degradation except a layer of dust. I doubt they'll deform unless in a poor environment like a garage or loft where they're exposed to extreme temperatures in summer & winter. Those in your list will be made of the higher end metal so I doubt you'll have any problems. Airsoft replicas will not look like blued steel if you want that effect (eg for an AK) but going by your list they would be painted/cerakoted anyway so should look 99.9% authentic. If the airsoft version is cheaper than a deac then go for it.

I believe what the video shows is the guy finding the best energy/speed for the hollow point to open fully to its maximum without over deforming. The higher speed/energy caused the bullet to deform too much (hollow point folding over itself or tearing the rim off completely) resulting in a smaller cross sectional area therefore higher penetration. Again, this has no relevance to BBs

Perhaps I misunderstood your original point but if you're saying less speed equals more energy at the target then you've got something wrong there.

BBs don't deform on impact so the energy dissipation is not equivalent to hollow point bullet dynamics. Energy dissipation is proportional to projectile cross section area which is why hollow points dump all the energy so quickly. Energy = 1/2mv² Where m=mass and v=velocity Because it doesn't deform the energy dissipation of a BB will not change so lowering v will result in less energy at the target.

SkyRC and Turnigy are trusted makes of chargers. Stay away from Nuprol Have a look through this thread:

I don't think the video has any relevance to BB ballistics. First off he's using hollow points which don't have an equivalence in airsoft. What he's 'discovering' is the well understood projectile speed vs impact damage trade-off. This is the fundamental dilemma between the two most common military rounds. Slower 7.62 will do more damage to un armoured target but less penetration to armoured ones. Higher speed 5.56 has more penetrating ability for armoured targets but less damage to unarmoured ones. But none of this applies to BBs using the magnus effect.

Yeah Tim, don't fiddle if it ain't broke. Adding buffers to short stroke is easy enough if you want to do that but its silly to throw money and time at a pistol when you're new to it all. Use it as is for a few games and learn by talking to others. Then you'll have a better idea if you want to upgrade a specific part or buy a new base gun and go from there.

Yeah, that's a good charger (Same one I have) Use 'Balance' charge mode. Hop rubbers may have deteriorated so be prepared to replace those but they're low cost and relatively easy to replace by you or a tech. Fitness is another matter 😉

Welcome back Simon 🖐 Yeah, if they charge with an intelligent charger they're fine. (What charger have u got?) You can get Lithium Ion (Li-On) batteries now but I haven't used any so duno if they're better. BBs will be fine. (Bios might be an issue so test a few to be sure) Nothin new except airsoft pew pews are much harder and more expensive to get with Brexit and Corona messing up supply. Very few European retailers ship to UK anymore. (Gunfire is the only one I know of that will)

Hi and welcome Yep, that will be fine for outdoor and indoor games. (Bit pricy in my opinion) Size doesn't really have as much effect on range unlike real weapons. Of course a longer rifle can shoot further but not always the case as there are many factors involved apart from barrel length. Do lots reading on the forum because most of these things have been discussed.

@furylemon97, try somewhere else to compare. Absolute was actually my first site and got my first UKARA there. I thought it was OK until I tried other places. 'Red Alert' is good nearby and so is Skirmish Wycombe' a bit further.

That's the first video I've seen of his. I'll be looking through his others 😉

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Essentially it cannot be seen by the public even in your own property. (Actual case of police being called because a person saw a pistol through a house window)

Appreciate the thought Oneshotscott 👍 As said plenty of times in different ways 😏 FPS vs Joules both rely on correct BB weight being calculated and this is almost impossible to enforce. (Sites can hand out test BBs but time and cost make that very rare) The best thing we can do is make sure the sites you go to actually chrono and encourage random testing through the day. Boycott sites that do not chrono so they get the message.

I prefer semi only games because there's more skill involved and none of these twats going for stupid rof to compensate for their crap shooting abilities.

Sorry to hear that gasman. Not the best time of year for it anyway.

I think its more of an issue using the players BBs because with both testing methods you can't be sure they tell the correct BB weight. It would be ideal for the site to provide some BBs for testing but the cost and added time at chrono makes it difficult. (I know some sites do it) Anyone who wants to cheat can still do a bit by setting hop to max before chrono anyway.

Same thing. Changing an IF to a RIF.

You can own a RIF without UKARA if someone gives it to you as a gift. Changing an IF to a RIF by painting it black or changing parts is technically illegal but if used properly for airsoft no one will care. But if its ever spotted by the public and police are called, you'll have some tough explaining to do...