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[ImTriggerHappy]

3 minutes ago, Seven said:

 

I would argue for 'publicly executed on the Buckingham Palace lawn'... But that's just me.

No because while she did run off to join ISIS she wasn't really a terrorist.

 

After watching her interviews it is pretty obvious she is thick as fuck and while in my view having no common sense and the IQ of a retarded goldfish should be a capital crime the PC crowd disagree. So all you can do is leave the daft cow to rot in the situation she created or a cell.

[Seven]

Guilty by association in my book.

Collusion, sleeping with the enemy, call it whatever you want.

Finding justification in what ISIS did and does and agreeing with it... Then actually joining them. We have no idea what she was up to over there, she may very well have blood on her hands but simply being a part of it is enough...

 

Nah, bring back medieval torture and execution for treason.

[Sacarathe]

1 minute ago, Seven said:

Guilty by association in my book.

Collusion, sleeping with the enemy, call it whatever you want.

Finding justification in what ISIS did and does and agreeing with it... Then actually joining them. We have no idea what she was up to over there, she may very well have blood on her hands but simply being a part of it is enough...

 

Nah, bring back medieval torture and execution for treason.

 

Is this post satire?

[Seven]

1 minute ago, Sacarathe said:

 

Is this post satire?

 

What part could possibly be considered satire?

[Druid799]

11 minutes ago, Sacarathe said:

 

Ah, so you do have an opinion then. I can't speak for trump (I'd like trump if pence wasn't in the picture pulling his strings), but ms begun has not put herself in the spotlight at all, when she left she did it of her own volition, albiet as a 15 year old groomed (for sex), and was in the news more because of the cluster nature of that event than the actual act; and when she returned to the public eye it was because she naively allowed unscruptuous journalists to interview her without anyone looking out for her welbeing. And those journalists failed to point out that when she was interviewed she was surrounded by ISIS sympathisers and couldn't really speak ill for them for fear of, you know, being murdered the next day.

 

Your premise that she "put herself" is wrong.

 

To save you asking where I might stand on the greater issue (largely irrelevant here) I think it's a great injustice that she has commited a crime in the UK and then gotten away with it without any punishment under law. That is offensive to me, she should be back here doing the time for her offences (whatever they might be).

Firstly of course I have an opinion on this , everyone should !

secondly I have to say the minute I read you like trump you become completely irrelevant to me , the ‘man’ (and I use the term purely on agender basis) is egotistical bully nothing more nothing less to even mention him in a discussion about ‘empathy or respect’ is absolutely farcical ! He couldn’t spell the words let alone understand or use there meaning , he’s a dangerous buffoon !

As to the little Isis girl , yes she was ‘only 15’ but your modern15yr old girl is a hell of a lot more savvy and world wise than one from 20-30 yrs ago .

Did the journo’s exploited her ? of course they did that what journo’s do !

Was she ‘surrounded’  by Isis supporters ? Again of course she is she’s in an internment camp for hardcore Isis families (which she’s obviously one off as she’s only now surfaced ) BUT and this is the crucial point she showed absolutely no remorse of any kind and the only reason she wishes to return is because the paradise she left the uk no longer exists .

Sorry to disappoint but I don’t actually care where you stand on the question my friend .👍   

[Sacarathe]

16 minutes ago, Druid799 said:

Firstly of course I have an opinion on this , everyone should !

secondly I have to say the minute I read you like trump you become completely irrelevant to me , the ‘man’ (and I use the term purely on agender basis) is egotistical bully nothing more nothing less to even mention him in a discussion about ‘empathy or respect’ is absolutely farcical ! 👍

 

The title of the thread.

 

The "I'd" is short for "I would", not "I do".

[Druid799]

21 minutes ago, Sacarathe said:

 

The title of the thread.

 

The "I'd" is short for "I would", not "I do".

Ok so you say you ‘would’ like trump if Pence wasn’t pulling his strings (that’s a bit foil hat 😳) correct ? So by that very statement you do like him so we’re back to my original comment but point is if you want too I’m certainly not going to tell you you can’t , just means I’m not going to consider your opinion as valuable on anything that’s all .  

[Vulpiness]

1 hour ago, clumpyedge said:

 

 

May be a buzz word but it’s been around a hell of a lot longer than most people realise and not just the start of 2018

I'd actually be interested in the history of that. 

1 hour ago, ImTriggerHappy said:

No because while she did run off to join ISIS she wasn't really a terrorist.

 

After watching her interviews it is pretty obvious she is thick as fuck and while in my view having no common sense and the IQ of a retarded goldfish should be a capital crime the PC crowd disagree. So all you can do is leave the daft cow to rot in the situation she created or a cell.

Yeah, pretty much. 

[Vulpiness]

3 hours ago, Druid799 said:

 ‘Empathy and respect’ are meaningless buzz word to you I actually understand what they mean ,

Empathy ? Try holding someone’s hand while there dying on there own AND they know there dying .

Respect ? helping a 98yr old man to stand so he can salute the cenotaph with tears streaming down his face because he’s still racked with guilt that he lived and his mates didn’t . I have .

So whilst discussing wether it’s appropriate to use targets depicting Trump and the Begum ones does NOT use these words .

You my friend are a special kind of snowflake !🤦‍♂️

 

Stuck a nerve there druid? 

I had grandparents, emphasis on had, I've done both those things. 

I'm sorry if you you have only experienced acts of empathy and respect in grand, one off gestures, that is indeed a a very fine thing to do.

But it can also be small acts, daily, saying hello to your building manager, of a morning, not flitting past him on the way to work, thanking shop assistants when they take your basket, or listening politely when someone speak about whatever bulshit religion they believe in. 

Those two people, are still people, and when I last looked, this was still a civilized society that did not stoop to such levels, we do not peddle hate and hostility. 

One of those people is a diplomatic ally, the other a civilian. 

Your problem with it is you do not like them, my problem is it could be our Queen up on a target, or Sir David Attenborugh,  or the 98 year old you have so fetishized above, and I understand how I feel about that, and how some other people feel about these characters,a nd how that creates division and discordance within our community unnecessarily by pillorying their image. 

It seems for you, empathy and respect are grand spectacles, they need not be, it's just what you do. 

You seem to think I'm in some great row, or upset by people doing this, I'm not, I'm offended, I'm also offended by the smell of dogshit, and small children, offended, does not mean upset. 

And I am a special kind of snowflake, an iron one: 


But allow me to end by saying, I don't wish for you to feel bag, it is a very fine thing for you to be so hardy, and unaffected by irritants, but don't expect us all to subscribe to your philosophy. 

When someone says they're offended, they're being restrained, what they in fact mean is someone is being rude and that they will remember that. 

Cheers,
 

1 hour ago, Seven said:

 

I would argue for 'publicly executed on the Buckingham Palace lawn'... But that's just me.

Now see this is genuinely offends me.

Let me explain, historically executions have been preformed at the tower of London, this rides roughshod over that tradition. 

 

[Guest]

I subscribe to Stephen Fry’s opinion on causing offence I’m afraid

[Seven]

13 minutes ago, Vulpiness said:

Let me explain, historically executions have been preformed at the tower of London, this rides roughshod over that tradition. 

 

 

Haha, have it at the tower if ya like, venue means little to me but at least the scenery would be a bit nicer and more room for people with regards selling tickets. 😉

[Vulpiness]

1 minute ago, Seven said:

 

Haha, have it at the tower if ya like, venue means little to me but at least the scenery would be a bit nicer and more room for people with regards selling tickets. 😉

But then we charge less per head and end up letting the bloody riff-raff in. XD 

[Sacarathe]

1 hour ago, Druid799 said:

As to the little Isis girl , yes she was ‘only 15’ but your modern15yr old girl is a hell of a lot more savvy and world wise than one from 20-30 yrs ago . 

 

Modern. 🤔 I'm guessing you don't know what groomed means.

 

48 minutes ago, Druid799 said:

just means I’m not going to consider your opinion as valuable on anything that’s all .  

 

I like flowers.

[Prisce]

I’m not sure if I’m finding this thread entertaining, or frustrating. 

 

All I do know, is it could be ended sooner with a FacePalm reaction. *wink wink* 

 

🤦🏻‍♂️ Will suffice for now.

[clumpyedge]

29 minutes ago, Prisce said:

I’m not sure if I’m finding this thread entertaining, or frustrating. 

 

All I do know, is it could be ended sooner with a FacePalm reaction. *wink wink* 

 

🤦🏻‍♂️ Will suffice for now.

 

 

Got you covered

 

[Immortal]

7 hours ago, Sacarathe said:

Modern. 🤔 I'm guessing you don't know what groomed means.

 

Not every bad situation means the perp had no free will to do it.

 

People do have to take responisibilty for their own actions and others can't always be blamed for them.

[Vulpiness]

1 hour ago, Immortal said:

 

Not every bad situation means the perp had no free will to do it.

 

People do have to take responisibilty for their own actions and others can't always be blamed for them.

She was a child, we do not condemn children for their actions, only adults.

Now she is an adult, and she is pro-war crimes. This is different. 

[clumpyedge]

4 minutes ago, Vulpiness said:

She was a child, we do not condemn children for their actions, only adults.

 

Bullshit.

 

Plenty of "children" have done some horrific things and been punished for them, in some cases punished as if they were an adult because the age they were at, at the time says they should have known different.

[Vulpiness]

Just now, clumpyedge said:

 

Bullshit.

 

Plenty of "children" have done some horrific things and been punished for them, in some cases punished as if they were an adult because the age they were at, at the time says they should have known different.

Yes. They are punished. But they are not condemned. They are allowed an opportunity at redemption, and their records sealed. 

Children need to punished when they do wrong, and if this moron had run away to join ISIS and then realized it was a fucking awful idea, she too should be punished. 

But she didn't, there was no realization. She just picked a side, a side that lost, and she is a child no longer, she has hanged herself. 

 

But I reject that a child, any child, having been a troubled child, and knowing that for me the causes of that were external not internal should have to live forever with the consequences of youth.  
 

[clumpyedge]

Just now, Vulpiness said:

Yes. They are punished. But they are not condemned. They are allowed an opportunity at redemption, and their records sealed. 

Children need to punished when they do wrong, and if this moron had run away to join ISIS and then realized it was a fucking awful idea, she too should be punished. 

But she didn't, there was no realization. She just picked a side, a side that lost, and she is a child no longer, she has hanged herself. 

 

But I reject that a child, any child, having been a troubled child, and knowing that for me the causes of that were external not internal should have to live forever with the consequences of youth.  
 

 

 

Personally I think it depends on the crime to whether or not they deserve redemption. Case in point the James Bulger case one child has not (that we know of) done anything since release. The other has broken the rules of his release numerous times and broken the law, should he be allowed more and more chances?

 

This girl knowingly went to a country at the age of 15 which is above the age in which we by law say that children know right from wrong (think the age is currently 10?)

 

 

[Vulpiness]

5 minutes ago, clumpyedge said:

 

 

Personally I think it depends on the crime to whether or not they deserve redemption. Case in point the James Bulger case one child has not (that we know of) done anything since release. The other has broken the rules of his release numerous times and broken the law, should he be allowed more and more chances?

 

This girl knowingly went to a country at the age of 15 which is above the age in which we by law say that children know right from wrong (think the age is currently 10?)

 

 

and at 17 contracts are not legal binding because children are morons. Also it's 8 I think, at 8 you can got to court. 

The" other one "did those things as an adult, and should face the law as an adult. (and as an aside if he presents an unreforming, ongoing threat to our citizens, he should be executed.) 

I'm just saying, children aren't adults, we draw the distinction for a reason, cause of their lack of life experience and context, at at 15 I was a prick, and racist, and I was causing all sort of hell to people who didn't deserve it, because that what life was like for me, and consent, and all these other things we take for granted in adult life, were high ideals for philosophers in ivory towers that had absolutely no reliance on the "real world". 

My life experience was people taking the shit out of me, and every nice person watching on and saying nothing, and my mother being an utter nutcase.  

We start children off in a situation, school, families, that very often isn't "normal" but to them, that is their norm. 

They didn't choose that, is just how it went.

I can absolutely see how systemic school year racist Islamophobic harassment, and the all too often ineffectual response. could drive someone into the arms of terrorists, it happened often enough in Ireland.  

Children don't stay children, and there is a point where we need to draw a line,t hat line isn't 15, if it was, adults would be dicking them. 

[clumpyedge]

2 minutes ago, Vulpiness said:

and at 17 contracts are not legal binding because children are morons. Also it's 8 I think, at 8 you can got to court. 

The" other one "did those things as an adult, and should face the law as an adult. (and as an aside if he presents an unreforming, ongoing threat to our citizens, he should be executed.) 

I'm just saying, children aren't adults, we draw the distinction for a reason, cause of their lack of life experience and context, at at 15 I was a prick, and racist, and I was causing all sort of hell to people who didn't deserve it, because that what life was like for me, and consent, and all these other things we take for granted in adult life, were high ideals for philosophers in ivory towers that had absolutely no reliance on the "real world". 

My life experience was people taking the shit out of me, and every nice person watching on and saying nothing, and my mother being an utter nutcase.  

We start children off in a situation, school, families, that very often isn't "normal" but to them, that is their norm. 

They didn't choose that, is just how it went.

I can absolutely see how systemic school year racist Islamophobic harassment, and the all too often ineffectual response. could drive someone into the arms of terrorists, it happened often enough in Ireland.  

Children don't stay children, and there is a point where we need to draw a line,t hat line isn't 15, if it was, adults would be dicking them. 

 

 

Fair points, hadn't thought of it like that! thanks for your input

[SgtTalbert]

38 minutes ago, Vulpiness said:

Children don't stay children, and there is a point where we need to draw a line,t hat line isn't 15, if it was, adults would be dicking them. 

 

So 16 then

[Sacarathe]

2 hours ago, Immortal said:

10 hours ago, Sacarathe said:

Modern. 🤔 I'm guessing you don't know what groomed means.

Not every bad situation means the perp had no free will to do it.

 

You couldn't make this stuff up. 😑 People that are groomed often have no ideological free will.

 

2 hours ago, Immortal said:

People do have to take responisibilty for their own actions and others can't always be blamed for them.

 

Absolutely they do, that's exactly why it's so bad that she has gotten away with her transgressions without any punishment under law (which as we know, the only known possible offence is [as a child] joining a terrorist group). People should be outraged that she had no trial, no lawful punishment. She got away with it - no one should be able to join a terrorist group and face no lawful punishment.

 

And while some people that says being made stateless is a punishment, that's no better either because it's arbitrary punishment without law, ahah, without a trial, it isn't 'proven' that she has contravened any laws. It doesn't matter our opinions, if she got treated this way anyone could be next, would you like to be punished without the state proving you did something wrong?

[Vulpiness]

1 minute ago, SgtTalbert said:

 

So 16 then

I believe 18 is the current line drawn, the boy who killed that girl on ayr would have had identity hidden til 18, and will be given a new one, records are sealed at that age for less notable offenses.  

That's up for debate. 16, 18, 21? that's something you'll need to ask a physiologist, a hormonal specialist, a teacher, a judge, parents and a policy maker for. 

Should adults be screwing teens? Some people say no, make it 18, some people say 16 isn't keeping up for the time because 12 year olds are screwing each other on a regular basis, there isn't a consensus. 

But given how the bullshit at my school continued til I left it behind, I'd suggest something more, in the later side of that. By 19, I was someone unrecognizable. 

Maybe age is the wrong metric to measure. 

We also have to recognize that teenagers are high as fuck. Like when I got rejected by one girl I was into, I went off the RAILS, because it seemed like the end of the world, because hormones and emotional inexperience. 

Discipline in our schools is so poor, maybe if it was harsher, we wouldn't have these sorts of issues. 

The fact is, we've never had so many kids trying to kill themselves, half of all girls cut themselves, and we're getting on a tangent of a tangent here, but, that didn't happen in the 1950s, and maybe ti was faith, maybe it was discipline, maybe it was better parenting or promoting independence, or authority, or maybe the ones who were troubled weren't in school at all, but we do have this problem now, and it serves the purposes of absolutely no one.