Skara Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 From a kit question to airsoft ethics to insults.. Gotta grab some popcorn then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiceyRicey Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 On 1/30/2018 at 9:56 AM, L3wisD said: One on the right's plate carrier has shrunk in the wash!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skara Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said: I'm not the skinniest guy, but that takes some dedication to achieve.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Retired Moderators L3wisD Posted February 2, 2018 Mostly Retired Moderators Share Posted February 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, ImTriggerHappy said: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sako Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, L3wisD said: You just know those pouches contain pick ‘n’ mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albiscuit Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 18 hours ago, scalawag said: I think you may have read my musings on the VCRA inaccurately or certainly not how I intended them. Of course this affects nothing right now and as you say it seems to work ok, and I am glad you have all you need. My intention was to get across that if in the future airsoft were seen by those responsible for law making to be more "sport" than "military" then the skirmish player defence (be it UKARA or any other form of proof that is used) for buying RIFs may well be reviewed. In some respects things do never change, but equally change is the only inevitable thing in life, and laws do get looked at and reviewed as we have just seen with firearms legislation and indeed as we did in the past when the VCRA was introduced. I think we as the current custodians of the sport/hobby or whatever you want to call it always need to have an eye on what might happen to it in the future too, and make sure that we do as little as possible to cause potential future problems or increased restrictions. We are ok now, but lets also think of what airsofters and particularly new airsofters might have to deal with in the future. Some of the comments here I have, rightly or wrongly, read as "military style gear and the people who like to wear it are taking things too far for general airsoft events, you don't need it or it gets in the way of playing airsoft" That seems to me to be moving airsoft away from its military style roots, and more towards it being a sport or game and its that potential shift that makes my VCRA musings relevant. Its about having an eye to protecting the future thats all, maybe not for us because we are ok, but for those that follow on. Anyway nuff said, I will shut up on this now. No I get what your saying, I just didnt want to derail the thread further with another debate. I understand the future of the sport is in our hands but lets face it we still have laws somewhere about killing welshmen on a tuesday with a longbow from a castle top and no driving sheep over london bridge on every third Thursday etc (I know these are likely exaggerations, but a LOT of our laws are behind the times out of date and quite frankly any decent lawyer will get around) I think unless something drastic happens we are a long way off it affecting the sport/hobby in any profound way. I think your right if it does get reviewed then hopefully organisations and players alike (I know there are a couple of associations representing Airsoft) will have input and be able to help shape it, And im sure in these associations manifesto or plans this is the case, its certainly needed! Luckily at the moment getting a RIF is not too difficult, and we do not need a level of realism or authenticity in kits to prove we use them in a military style, and I hope any changes do not make it harder. I dont think we are trying to take airsoft away from its military routes at all, there are plenty of games and options open to those wanting a more military style game, certainly seeing more and more tactical type military squad games and events advertised. And military gear is not frowned upon, hell we all need slings and holsters or some kind of load carrying which can be classed as military, my main point is a typical skirmish is not a milsim or an immersion and all you need is eyepro. That being said nothing wrong with military styling, if that appeals. I have a mix of surplus gear (as its cheap and hard wearing and I do a lot of outdoor stuff) and hiking/climbing clothes I also use for airsoft which are not military as such but quite PMC looking and obviously a vest/belt and pouches set up. Trying to define a skirmish vs a milsim or reenactment style game is where any reviews will hopefully not blur the lines making it harder to obtain a RIF for a sunday runaround for those not wanting to replicate a look or go all in with the camo! Military styling will always have a place in airsoft but we do not all need to dress up as soldiers with full kit, backpacks, helmets with 5kg of gear on top or those silly looking scrim helmet topper things the uk army wears which look ridiculous on soldiers, totally pointless in the scheme of things in a general run around game. Personally, while I dont see the point in dressing up anymore (I USED to) for airsoft, I appreciate a well though out loadout, but it can be totally detrimental to the game turning up in bomb disposal gear or so many pouches and add ons you cannot feel your hits and I see this all the time, I have even been told by a marshal once or twice he saw a bb hit me I did not feel and I dont have a lot of kit hanging off me. But again we all have the choice to wear want we want - just not at the expense of other players in a normal skirmish, I understand milsims and filsims want a level of authenticity. And as mentioned before its about the attitude of the player not the cost/look of their kit. --- on reflection maybe my attitude needs to change a little, maybe I jump in a little too quickly on threads like this with my viewpoints, will certainly have a read back over my posts in this thread and make sure I come across as intended. apologies if I did come across a bit opinionated. 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Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted February 2, 2018 Supporters Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Albiscuit said: And as mentioned before its about the attitude of the player not the cost/look of their kit. --- on reflection maybe my attitude needs to change a little, maybe I jump in a little too quickly on threads like this with my viewpoints, will certainly have a read back over my posts in this thread and make sure I come across as intended. apologies if I did come across a bit opinionated. Good god man do not worry about how you come across and just say what you think, honesty is the best policy and all that. Anyway you are a million miles off the offensive benchmark, I set that high to give the rest of you plenty of wriggle room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 This is Trigger. Trigger isn't like other people on forums. Trigger doesn't care if his opinion offends you. Be more like Trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albiscuit Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 @ImTriggerHappy Cheers bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albiscuit Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 17 minutes ago, Duff said: This is Trigger. Trigger isn't like other people on forums. Trigger doesn't care if his opinion offends you. Be more like Trigger. I like trigger, he says what he feels and isnt apologetic for it, I actually cant see how people take offence to him, they tend to take it and make it personal and then get whiney as they cant see his point of view, mostly from what I can see he is right in the matter too. Bloody decent player too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, Albiscuit said: I like trigger, he says what he feels and isnt apologetic for it, I actually cant see how people take offence to him, they tend to take it and make it personal and then get whiney as they cant see his point of view, mostly from what I can see he is right in the matter too. Bloody decent player too! I'm very similar but I've been on my super duper best behaviour since joining these forums. I've had a bad history of being banned from gaming forums over the years. I'll have to do a Sunday at the Mall soon so I can meet Trigger in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solar Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 20 hours ago, ImTriggerHappy said: Haha you obviously haven't taken the time or just don't have the brains to understand what I write so I won't take offence at your ignorance. As for arrogant yeah you are probably right but hey I do back up everything I say As for belittling people only when they bring it on themselves as generally I am super helpful and an absolute ray of f*cking sunshine now please feel free to take offence at anything I write as I honestly couldn't give a toss . Merry Xmas and all that Edit: As for no blowback ask anyone on here who knows me if I am any different face to face. You talk about offence a lot but its not offence. You seem to class yourself as a "straight talker" but somewhere along the way you forgot that others will straight talk right back at you, which is exactly what I am doing. I dont know if you are just one of those people who has social issues but it strikes me that you probably just have an obnoxious online persona. So carry on acting the dick and dont be shocked when people treat you like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted February 2, 2018 Supporters Share Posted February 2, 2018 19 hours ago, Skara said: From a kit question to airsoft ethics to insults.. Gotta grab some popcorn then Devastator must be having a snooze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted February 2, 2018 Supporters Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Solar said: You talk about offence a lot but its not offence. You seem to class yourself as a "straight talker" but somewhere along the way you forgot that others will straight talk right back at you, which is exactly what I am doing. I dont know if you are just one of those people who has social issues but it strikes me that you probably just have an obnoxious online persona. So carry on acting the dick and dont be shocked when people treat you like one. Normally I am quite happy to get into discussions like this but it's pretty evident I would be wasting my breath here. Just understand I don't have an online persona it is just me and as for social issues damn straight I have no ability to socialise with nobheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 No need to start calling people dicks. If you ask me I'd say @Solar posts are way more obnoxious than Triggers. I don't see why it has to break down into personal attacks. Jedi will come in here and ream us to buggary if you don't chill dudes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningCh Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Solar has definitely come across more obnoxious in this thread at least. Some of his older posts are actually good (he wouldn't have 8 likes for nothing after all lol) It really does have that Readman97 vibe to it in this thread though. Although Solar's account was made in October 2017 so unless Readman made an alt account early on ready for when he quit. I doubt its the same person, just that sort of mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aengus Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Spoken to Trigger a few times. Obviously a good guy he just tells it straight and blunt which people can't deal with nowadays apparently... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted February 2, 2018 Supporters Share Posted February 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, Duff said: No need to start calling people dicks. If you ask me I'd say @Solar posts are way more obnoxious than Triggers. I don't see why it has to break down into personal attacks. Jedi will come in here and ream us to buggary if you don't chill dudes! I is chilled I is zen. People need to realise my issue is with that small minority of players who put dressing up ahead of being able to play the game properly or those that try and act overly military. Wear what you like as long as it doesn't mess with your ability to feel hits too badly. All gear does effect hit taking and everyone of us gets hits we don't know about because of it so we should all try and choose our gear responsibly. Those that claim they never miss a hit are plain wrong I am sensible enough to know I have and that sometimes people I shoot have through no fault of their own its part of airsoft. Yes people might argue its everyones right to wear what they choose but if it is having a constant detrimental effect on the game then sorry no you don't. A boxer would not be able to wear pads and a crash helmet would he? As for those that take it too serious and either get upset at the lighter side or even worse mouth off at players in game there or no words. At the end of the day if what I say offends then you are probably one of those people so I really dont care. But I dont hold grudges so if you want give me a holler and I will show you how to play properly Edit: As for Jedi he can take whatever action he feels as he knows I don't care and wont take offence either. Because he is a mate and one of those airsofters that is always welcome alongside (probably behind) me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scalawag Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Albiscuit said: No I get what your saying, I just didnt want to derail the thread further with another debate. I understand the future of the sport is in our hands but lets face it we still have laws somewhere about killing welshmen on a tuesday with a longbow from a castle top and no driving sheep over london bridge on every third Thursday etc (I know these are likely exaggerations, but a LOT of our laws are behind the times out of date and quite frankly any decent lawyer will get around) I think unless something drastic happens we are a long way off it affecting the sport/hobby in any profound way. I think your right if it does get reviewed then hopefully organisations and players alike (I know there are a couple of associations representing Airsoft) will have input and be able to help shape it, And im sure in these associations manifesto or plans this is the case, its certainly needed! Luckily at the moment getting a RIF is not too difficult, and we do not need a level of realism or authenticity in kits to prove we use them in a military style, and I hope any changes do not make it harder. I dont think we are trying to take airsoft away from its military routes at all, there are plenty of games and options open to those wanting a more military style game, certainly seeing more and more tactical type military squad games and events advertised. And military gear is not frowned upon, hell we all need slings and holsters or some kind of load carrying which can be classed as military, my main point is a typical skirmish is not a milsim or an immersion and all you need is eyepro. That being said nothing wrong with military styling, if that appeals. I have a mix of surplus gear (as its cheap and hard wearing and I do a lot of outdoor stuff) and hiking/climbing clothes I also use for airsoft which are not military as such but quite PMC looking and obviously a vest/belt and pouches set up. Trying to define a skirmish vs a milsim or reenactment style game is where any reviews will hopefully not blur the lines making it harder to obtain a RIF for a sunday runaround for those not wanting to replicate a look or go all in with the camo! Military styling will always have a place in airsoft but we do not all need to dress up as soldiers with full kit, backpacks, helmets with 5kg of gear on top or those silly looking scrim helmet topper things the uk army wears which look ridiculous on soldiers, totally pointless in the scheme of things in a general run around game. Personally, while I dont see the point in dressing up anymore (I USED to) for airsoft, I appreciate a well though out loadout, but it can be totally detrimental to the game turning up in bomb disposal gear or so many pouches and add ons you cannot feel your hits and I see this all the time, I have even been told by a marshal once or twice he saw a bb hit me I did not feel and I dont have a lot of kit hanging off me. But again we all have the choice to wear want we want - just not at the expense of other players in a normal skirmish, I understand milsims and filsims want a level of authenticity. And as mentioned before its about the attitude of the player not the cost/look of their kit. --- on reflection maybe my attitude needs to change a little, maybe I jump in a little too quickly on threads like this with my viewpoints, will certainly have a read back over my posts in this thread and make sure I come across as intended. apologies if I did come across a bit opinionated. Thank you it is nice to read such a considered response. I am not going any further round the circle with this except to pick up on your saying "military gear is not frowned upon". Whilst this may be generally the case, it seems from this thread that given the right set of circumstances it is viewed in a negative way or even ridiculed by some. If for example the gear is on the "wrong person" (see pics posted earlier in the thread) or if said gear is perceived as spoiling ones enjoyment of a game, as the wearer is not consistently calling their hits, or maybe it's even that people who wear it won't take notice of me and stop wearing it. It seems under these circumstances, and probably others too, that military gear is very much "frowned upon" by some because it is seen as not necessary, detrimental to game play and/or strange. I don't need to be told that I don't need it to play, I know I don't, but I still choose to wear it because I enjoy doing that. You don't have to agree with me, or share my views on it, that is perfectly OK, but please don't tell me again that I don't need to do it, I know that! its a choice that I make. I don't really care if some players miss a few hits or even more than a few for that matter its a game at the end of the day and the world won't stop turning because someone dosen't play the way I would like them too or I think they should. As has been mentioned before, airsoft in this country is probably not large enough to sustain more than the usual "Sunday skirmishes" and the occasional specialist events (milsim, speedsoft or whatever). If there were enough players in every genre of the game to support a regular monthly event for each specific genre, that would be great, but there aren't, and probably will not ever be. That being the case then we all have to find a way to tolerate the Gameplay, Dress Codes, and Idiosyncrasies of others at the events we do have, because there will always be a multitude of styles at pretty much whatever airsoft event you attend. We may infuriate each other with what we do, but that does not mean that either of us is wrong or right, we just hold different points of view about how to do airsoft. I think a large part of getting along is actually thinking about what you say or write before you say or write it and considering if you are really saying the other person is wrong. The world is not that black and white, and if you try to make it you will cause unecessary conflict. Considering the views of others as being equally valid as our own opinions doesn't mean that we are devaluing our own views or beliefs, it means we are trying to understand the views of others too and not trying to "win the argument" by belittling or devaluing the views of others. Discussion is not about "winning" or "loosing" its about broadening the understanding and knowledge of all parties involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters TheFull9 Posted February 2, 2018 Supporters Share Posted February 2, 2018 The best way to look like a Seal, is to write a book about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters ImTriggerHappy Posted February 2, 2018 Supporters Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, CKinnerley said: The best way to look like a Seal, is to write a book about it. Duh moment care to enlighten me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scalawag Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Aengus said: Spoken to Trigger a few times. Obviously a good guy he just tells it straight and blunt which people can't deal with nowadays apparently... I think talking with someone face to face is very different from non verbal communication or even talking on the phone for that matter. There are all sorts of subtle expressions, tones and signals that get lost when you can't see the person you are communicating with. Sometimes how we say a word can subtly change what we mean, as can the look on our face when we say it, and that just does not happen in non verbal communication. If you have prior direct contact with the person then you may well be able to pick up some of the subtlety in written communication, but if you don't know them at all then picking up the true meaning of something is very open to interpretation by the reader. Thats why so much that is posted with the intention of it being funny does not always seem funny to those who read it. Unfortunately I think that often what people mean to be bluntness in non verbal communication is actually perceived as aggression by others, which is sadly likely to illicit at best defensive responses or an aggressive response. It is very difficult to make bluntness work on the same level as face to face communication. Saying that you don't care if others are offended by it in my opinion does not help as it sets up the reader to expect to be offended. Sadly I think the range of human expression is not recognised by others these days as so much of our communication is in writing. Its made worse in my opinion as punctuation seems to be rapidly passing into obscurity. Thats sad because its task is to attempt to add back some of the subtle meaning that is not there in written communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aengus Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, scalawag said: ~tl:dr the youth are ruining english~ That's what emojis are for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest scalawag Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Aengus said: That's what emojis are for They do help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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