Speedbird_666

My Cyma CM650A (SR47) for £85 arrived today, courtesy of the Patrolbase sale. I bought it as a cheap loaner. But I like it, I like it a lot. I might end up using it a lot more than I originally intended.

The issue is that there are so many solid M4's out there, that it's actually easier to compile a list of manufacturers/product lines to not buy. Also, you don't mention your budget. So I will tell you a few of brands that I would personally avoid: - VFC: look great externally but are made of cheese internally. - Ares: Funky electronics (that will do 3rd burst) but are made of cheese internally. - KWA: Apparently are reasonable guns, but proprietary parts can be a ball ache for upgrades. - Krytac: See KWA - SRC: Nasty - Specna Edge**: Looks ok externally (and loads of rail/length choices), but are wank internally. Once re-shimmed, greased and a fair few parts switched out, will work ok until the gearbox shell breaks because...you guessed it... it's made of cheese. Again, this is my personal avoid list - I'm sure the others will disagree. **Note, my criticism of Specna is leveled only at the Edge Series. The 'Core' and 'One' series are supposed to be reasonably decent as they have (according to rumour) different OEMs.

There were some cracking deals to be had on Patrol base. £85 for a Cyma CM.650A/SR47? Oh go on then...mine arrives Thursday. I even had consent from the missus. There were a few Specna Edges for £70 - £100, which was worth it just for the external parts. Nearly added one to the order, but the missus would only let me buy the one gun.

I use one of these for CQB. I don't even run a stock on it (although I bought the adapter should I change my mind), just a single point sling on the back and a vertical grip. Not sexy, but I love it.

Seen this floating around FB today. Not sure what to make of it....

Therein lies the rub - each manufacturer has a different idea of what they should label their spring power as, and two supposed identical springs from the same manufacturer can yield different results due to manufacturing tolerances. The quality of the steel and the coil pattern are also additional variables. As taking apart a CZ Bren can be a bitch to replace the cylinder, I would use the quick change mechanism and source either a weaker spring, or even consider cutting one down . Personally, I would put the ASG M95 spring in @~365fps and shoot a 1000rds or so through it. There's a good chance that the the FPS will drop to sub 350fps as everything beds in.

My bad guys. I dragged the politics into the thread. Apologies.

Interesting. So you are implying Democracy is a bad thing because you didn't get the outcome you wanted? I don't remember the late '90s/early '00's as halcyon times. Two costly wars, huge public spending, financial collapse and a cute note left in Whitehall - 'there's no money left'. But hey, that's all OK! Labour wouldn't have given us a referendum. I won't comment further on this, consider the above rhetorical - this thread should remain as useful information for post-Brexit buying and not politics, but previous comments whinging about the outcome of two Democratic voting processes deserve a little push-back. TTFN... 😘

I would be interested to hear how a Labour Government would have done any better... 😉

I think this is inevitable in the long term for Airsoft. Facebook hates anything contrary to their arbitrary values and politics in the bubble known as Silicon Valley.

I had double-shooting in semi with a fresh battery, it would settle as the battery voltage dropped a little but it was still heavily pre-cocking. The newer motors apparently have Neo-magnets.

This is why I put a Nano ASR in mine. At some point I might stick a WarFET in. But it works nicely as-is. I wouldn't run an 11.1v. Mine, like @RonLancs had overspin when I tested it. You can get a solid 15-16 RPS with just a high torque and 7.4v LiPo. That, and a 11.1v would be harder to get into the very limited battery space, whereas a 7.4v Turnigy Stick battery fits perfectly into the mock gas tube. Again, the gun is very usable out of the box, upgrades can come later.

Here you go....😉

I stuck a Gate Nano ASR in mine, with 16AWG Alpha wire. Didn't make that much difference TBH. You can argue that it helps the trigger contacts, but I had guns running 2S LiPos for nearly a decade without a Mosfet and they never had an issue. Best upgrades are - a thorough barrel-clean (the stock barrel is decent enough), a new hop rubber/nub, adding a deans connector and maybe a higher torque motor. Total cost under £50. I would leave everything else stock until it breaks. Mine was actually reasonably well shimmed and greased out of the box. The CM.045 is a chunky thing (all AKs are), so once you start bolting things up front it becomes pretty nose-heavy. I found the stock grip to be a bit uncomfortable when trying to do stuff like reloading. A £5 Cyma Ergonomic grip helped sort that.

I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole TBH. It's over-priced for what it actually is, and CYMA (the OEM for the gun) make better models - cheaper. Cybergun are twats, and you are paying a premium for shittily-implemented Colt trademarks. Personally for a similar price, I would be looking for Cyma Platinum series or Specna ONE series (not Edge - they are shit), possibly discounted ICS offerings, ASG Proline Armalite M15 (made by Lonex) or even A&K full metal jobbies.

Yeh, I said the same thing on his status update. A cheap T6 single-mode drop-in can be had for £6-7 quid off eBay. Problem is the current shipping situation from China.

Hogue Stock (Link here):

Here is some additional information from another EU company that specialises in RC stuff. It adds some useful and concise context. So it's a rule that the UK has imposed on ANY import under £135 from anywhere in the world. Google-fu found me this: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021

This times 1000. Some airsofters are happy to drop hundreds of £'s on shitty accessories/scopes/rails systems etc to hang off their guns, but when it comes something that's actually really useful, they seem to think a £50-60 Chrono is too expensive. BUT @ak2m4 has recently started selling these chronos for £25. I've heard they are quite well regarded within the Airgun community so are probably worth a punt at that price.

D’oh! I got mixed up, you are correct, it’s Gunfire I got the message from. Still relevant to the thread though.

Just got an email from *edit* Gunfire. They will only fulfil orders over £135 from 1st January onwards. No reason given in the email or updated T&Cs.

Classic Army generally OEM ASG's lower-end M4 (Armalite branded) style guns. That particular gun is known outside of Europe as the 'Classic Army CA4 M-Lok 10'. There is a KeyMod variation of the gun known as the 'KM' series. There are a fair few reviews on YouTube for the Classic Army variations of the gun. It looks like it's decent. Here is a review of the KeyMod variant: And a review of another variant (which ASG also sells as the 'M15 Operator'):

So it sounds like we have a trade deal. Hopefully that still means cheap pew pews from Poland in the new year - once all this Covid stuff is sorted.

G&G Combat Machines get used as rental guns on some sites, so they are fairly reliable. You are more likely to cause a failure after 'upgrading', especially if you try to do it yourself. Think of them as a Ford Fiesta. Functional, gets you from point A to B relatively efficiently for thousands of miles. But take a bog standard Fiesta, drop in a monster turbo with no other modifications whatsoever, and watch it go bang very quickly as you rag it around. Airsoft guns are the same, you need to take a balanced approach to upgrading. Want to upgrade the gearing? Well, you also need to consider battery and motor options. Can the Piston take the additional stress? How's the Angle of Engagement on the sector gear? Are the bushings robust enough (Combat Machines use sintered bushings which aren't great). Is the gearbox properly radiused? These are all variables that need to be considered. Best saved for your second or third gun. Buy a good starter gun, Combat Machines are fine but there are other comparable options, and use it for a good few skirmishes. Start then to think about what would improve your airsoft experience with the gun. Quite often, it's a case of consigning your first gun to backup status as when you total up the upgrades it's cheaper to just buy a better gun.

On your first RIF? good god no! leave it the fuck alone until it breaks. When you've got several guns - where you've even got a backup for your backup blaster, then sure, take your gun to bits and do whatever you want - because if you fuck up (and you will to start with) you can still go out and play. But if you only have one gun, and you are not experienced in teching AEGs in any way, leave it alone or pay a respected tech to do the work for you.