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Not sure if this helps or not, but I've just bought a Mil-Force Elite Tactical Molle vest from Zero One. £103 and so far it seems cracking. I've not had it to a game yet and not had it long so I'm not sure how it will hold up, but the quality seems great, very sturdy stitching and good materials. It came with a bunch of M4 and pistol mag pouches, an admin pouch on the front and a bunch of other pouches under the cummerbund, plus an attached sling and cooler pouch on the back for a hydration pack. Mine is multi-cam, but I'm sure it comes in olive drab and black. Of course, this is the point when loads of people who have had one of these post saying "what did you get one of those for, they're crap?"

Ooh, now there's an idea. I've just been looking at the KWA RM4 and it looks nice. I may end up getting the VFC 417, just because it looks freaking awesome, and then a few months down the line get the KWA. Get the 2 guns for just a little more than the cost of the TM 416. Ooh, the possibilities.

Aw man, I knew this would be the case. I really like the look of the 417. It's just that little bit different to the M4's that are all over the place. But I like the idea of the recoil and the fully functioning bolt. I've been looking at 417s on Land Warrior for £345 and the 416 on Fire Support for £545 for the DEVGRU version. They also have a custom version for £670 with optics and all the extras I'd be buying otherwise. I'll not be on the UKARA database for another month, so not buying just yet, but that just gives me more time to not be able to make up my mind. If I was to decide the 416 was to expensive and so take it out of the equation, is the VFC 417 a good buy at £345 to £400? Anyone with experience of it and feedback?

Hi guys, I'm going to be buying my first brand new gun soon and I've been doing loads of research into what to buy. I've pretty much narrowed it down to HK416/417. I've been looking at the VFC HK417 and think it looks awesome, I'm very keen to buy it. From what I've read and watched on youtube the general consensus is great unbeatable externals, very good internals (although I've heard some say the internals are questionable), a bit on the heavy side and the mags are two big for most pouches and expensive to buy. But that hasn't put me off. On the other hand I've heard great things about the Tokyo Marui HK416 Recoil Shock. Realistic bolt system, good externals and internals and once you've used the recoil system you'll not want to go back to a none recoil AEG. So the question is for anyone who's used either, or who has experience of using both, is the TM 416 worth an extra £200 for the recoil system? Also, how hard wearing is it. Is it likely to break after a few months of use? I have the money for the Tokyo Marui, but it would limit my other purchases for a while, accessories, load outs etc. so if it's not worth the extra I would rather get the VFC and buy the other bits I've been looking at. Thanks, any advice would be welcome.