Sitting Duck

Did you open n mess with box ??? Sounds to me like possible bevel gear too low putting massive strain on motor Also bad shimming nblittle grease is most likely Should be getting more RPS on 11.1v with top motor like that smidge under 30 I reckon

Agree the BOT looks nice and I'm hopeful that the fet issues of the past is behind them. It is ideal for people seeking a mosfet'd gun out of box and even if it goes pear shape the donkey work of installing a fet is already done. The Kong wizard is supposed to be a proper 3034 get which is regarded as best fet out there, so is fantastic get for £10 offer. Not sure if I'd pay full price for it but at tenner is a bargain not to be missed. Bit of a git to get ya head round at first but stuff like a 3 round burst 3034 fet is std programmed in which is pretty cool indeed. All the CM's are great guns, coz they have good engine/box in there, very TM compatible so spares upgrades are cheap n reasonably straight forward. All a question of what tarted up externals you prefer MK18 is slightly cheaper at Airsoft world and if you can fit the Kong in there yourself then that would be my choice but it has it faults like poxy lame crap mid cap mag etc... Luckily there are numerous models of CM's to tempt the potential buyers, G&G certainly got the options/model/choice bit right spoilt for choice I guess if looking for a decent M4 starter at a good price that don't break the bank

- lost for words, just this once

http://www.taiwangun.com/en/mk23-magazine but dunno what price they were from GF - but the socom mk23's are supposed to be TM compatible but check with others like sp00n etc...

took son to Young Guns in Chobham once.... he couldn't believe they didn't chrono any gun and it was a bit nooby for him so not returned Alas didn't get to or be bothered to wait around for the afternoon to shoot at the Mall's showcase day mega shame coz really looking forward to a quick blast game and drove 60m there & slow crawl 60m back in poxy M25 car park traffic

it is a HORRID green - zombie or puke green - it's absolutely disgusting and to kill a sexy black/tan MK18 like that is even worse. Zero One's 2-tone is ahem "replace-able" or more prone to removal from wear n tear so to speak and free Airsoftworld though could do their own show instead of changing rooms - changing guns - nice paint jobs (not too sure about more expensive "Wasteland" scheme but deffo not as wtf as SRC's Gundam - soz for repeat posting) http://www.evike.com/products/42979/ Now Mr Evike - are you seriously gonna ask for UKARA or try to charge me to repaint that mofo ??? Oh yeah coz it really does look like a RIF ffs Seen meaner looking Nerf guns but suppose to some out there in anime cosplay world they gotta own it so who am I to knock other people's interests - I play with toy guns ffs - how sad is that ???

zero one 2-tone all guns 4 free also.... http://airsoftzone.co.uk/airsoft-guns/starter-packs but christ what have they done to my MK18 & FireHawk - yuuuuukkkkkk airsoftworld's snakeskin is the sexy subtle alternative - well worth paying for that if I was starting out again

I best let hpa owners answer the rest Me I like tweaking n breaking n learning on aeg's as I think they are a clever bit of engineering - when it all works. Probably could of bought loads of hpa stuff the amount of stuff I bought lately LOADS But just feel to me it ain't the classic airsoft but more of a paintball conversion, but yes they do perform amazingly

The FH got to nearly 41 on a 7.4v and just done a 416 to do 30+ on SSG on 7.4v - how long the last only time will tell.... As for PolarStar - think I like the Tippmann over that no battery, one day if Tippmann's come down to what their paintball guns sell at or if they make a cheap easy swap out kit for other guns I may look into that but sod paying silly money.... As for ROF I think 20 to 30 is more than enough and plenty response - sure it is nice to have a high cycle gun but unleashing hell in proper games is a bit nooby overkill I feel, about 25rps is quite easy to achieve on most aeg's without shortening its life too much. Faster it fires then a good chance it will fail quicker is my main feeling and still some 12yr old kid with a JBBG 2 tone will take me out no doubt

Excellent sticky's but before you rush out n get a G&G M4 please read this: http://www.airsoft-forums.co.uk/index.php/topic/12854-new-player-guides-info/ Especially Ian's guide

Honestly dunno, I'm old skool not got hpa setup so can't comment but one day I might jam a solenoid in an old box and make my own is what I might do. Keep old box gears n tappet to load bb's, MAC solenoid, only stumbling block is gettingva "pattern controller" to control the burst or amount of time the valve is on etc... Small picaxe or audinio raspberry pi board will do the job I reckon - quite do-able But not exactly my cuppa mechanical tea atm, love the "fun" of cursing n swearing at the present AEG's Just feel G&G might be trying to reinvent the wheel a little bit which the standard CM wheels are quite good as they are

Not ultra impressed with some of the newer CM stuff... DSG FireHawk was dire The 300 BOT - hmm £170 still polymer and their fet's not got best reputation.... The newer stuff like split gearbox, fully electronic, new pneumatic nozzle, plug in battery notor modules.... Owner is gonna be f*cked for upgrade options in quite a few of those areas Believe it or not I love G&G CM's but think they might be shooting themselves in the foot if quality suffers and I think they are making it more complex that it likely will fail. More stuff to go wrong and screwed for usual choice or replacement parts. That is my gut feeling, think they need to not be too ambitious and make gradual improvements ensuring the new stuff is as solid as the tried n tested old skool stuff

Sorry to hear that - mega soz if I got on people's nerves I know I'm like Marmite.... But sorry you have reached a crossroads - if you don't get that enjoyment or buzz from something then you are getting old or need to maybe throw yourself into something new perhaps ? But glad you may still stick around - all that wisdom would be a waste to just pull out completely I do hope you can get your mo-jo back and return to the field now n then at least Hope you can get the bug again but wish you all the very best sir

peel the rubber out - remove glazed unit patio doors are worst - old ones could be prised up & off if they wanna get in they will - move old banger and take Range Rover Dog - pah they don't give a toss about poison a dog but luckily most are just opportunity trying their luck and hope somebody left window/door unlocked etc.... I leave lights telly's on now after being done by a stupid mistake and opportunist got a few things but was disturbed still $hits you up somebody been in ya house - bastids

battery is very very low amps so it will never last long charger is probably crap and the gun itself is a very low power cheap starter from a BB site perhaps the wisest thing is to buy a smart charger @ about £10 which should charge battery quicker and safely not over charge it charger will probably last longer than gun and so would be good if/when you upgrade to a better starter gun perhaps checkout fleabay for a cheap airsoft smart charger - but be careful about buying bigger batteries unless you know they will fit

I like to tweak/break guns and like to push them for $hits n giggles Stateside they like to go way too fast 35+ even 45+ on SSG's Me I regard 20 to 30 is more than fast enough so 25 is a comfortable max figure but I tend to stay on 7.4v lipo which means 20 aprox Nice to go nutz - son took the DSG FH & the 416 out for a blast and marshall actually used it to do a hit test on a couple of people - they called it But generally low 20's on a 7.4v I feel is quick enough for rof & response yes it will go @ 30+ but why use more ammo and higher juice eg: 2000mah 11.1v or say a 3000mah 7.4v aprox same size battery hats off to bolt snipers - they have one shot and so have to ensure their gun is really sweet to make that shot count plus they have to look at the great shot they just pulled being shrugged off and not taken Think the higher rof peeps should be seen to use their guns for support suppress/covering fire rather than go head to head with stock or slower guns but then the flip side is why should a higher rof gun be penalised - again its all about balance I guess And no I don't think I would take the DSG out much more - apart from will it last for yonks it is still a badly put together gun, probably put in a less powerful motor in her and use that motor elsewhere to be honest coz 40+ is mental and I seriously think DSG's are overated The 416 is beefed to 30 but have had problems getting her there - so yeah low 20's is deffo the preferred setup me thinks wtf lets go out with a compressor and a vortex and just decimate everything in our paths

pmsl - didn't understand at first - wtf is this an app to convert headsets to iphone or something Aaaaaaahhhh yes 4% yeah better charge ya fone

Both are great guns I have a few 42W clear - similar to G&G Carbine and a "few" G&G's ICS deffo seems a smidge quicker out of box rof G&G - well they are the number one selling M4 starters What G&G have done is made a load of different style M4's with/without rails etc.... So there is bound to be one that takes your fancy more my own favourite is MK18's for looks the bargain GC16 30th is a major consideration - can mount some stuff on there coz they supply 3 mini bolt on rails to handguard the handguard is much more sturdy than others M4 handguards ICS do make other types of M4 with RIS but you normally have to go above £150 think their hop - like a G36 is a bit bespoke to ICS but take nothing away they are a nice gun with good build all other parts are normal TM plus easier change of spring due to two piece box and spring release when storing gun But for me personally I like the look/range of G&G's and they are a nice gun to work on I haven't got around to ripping/tweaking my ICS yet so I can't say how they compare but think G&G use 8mm & ICS "may" use 7mm bush/bearings on mine I chose G&G's coz of the range to chose from in the £150 range and my first was the FireHawk which I had to had to have as I fell in love straight away since then I have been hooked on G&G but I still hold a lot of respect for ICS - always regard them as a very close 2nd to G&G Maybe I might tweak and spray and swap some bits around and give my clear ICS a new lease of life over the summer It really does deserve a bit more of my time - I have neglected her I will admit but was my choice over not so good SRC's until I got ukara'd soz for waffle - me it is G&G Mk18 or GC16 30th - only coz of the good range of choice I think the G&G plastic/polymer is a tad more robust than ICS plastic. Think the G&G is a little more flexible which may stand up to knocks more where as the ICS seems to be the more harder and perhaps brittle in cold weather - PLEASE NOTE - this might be coz mine is in clear plastic and it might have to be the more harder plastic than flexible polymer I do not own a black sportsline ICS so it would be unfair to say ICS receiver is not as good as G&G - just comparing my clear one to black G&G's

Thing is the moment you start tinkering with hop-up's there is always a chance you can actually make it worse before you make it better After have a nightmare on my 416 - 3 x hop units ok none of them hi end but jeez what mixed results I was getting....... stock one max fps but feeding issues on higher speed full auto new metal (cheapo) one tiny tiny drop if fps but nice feeding - would of ran with this but hop wasn't very effective crappy plastic one - feed perfectly but quite a drop in fps..... breifly explain - ShortStroke 2 teeth and was expecting to come down from hot 395fps TWG to about 350/360ish on stock spring dunno but must of got seals bang on in box even doing AOE which loses a smidge - still getting 385 to 390 on stock hop Metal one performed well feed & 360ish fps wise but not able to control a straight line like others - probably bad bucking or bad install eventually improve the crappy plastic one from dropping to 270fps to about 340 - still not perfect flight on a 407mm tbb but decided to go with that for a game My theory is there is a fine line as nozzle travels - probably this total travel may only be about 8 or 9mm - 6mm to feed a bb with a mm or two either side to load and push bb & seal to hop in one smooth transition The 3 hop units were different especially metal Vs stock hop and I also feel the total travel may not have say 9mm but more like 8mm this is despite me shaving tappet to increase start/finish position of nozzle, ensuring and try a few different tappet plates to ensure it travels back as much as possible without bending up at the end too much as it hits the end of cam travel one tappet when fully pulled back had a good 1 or 1.5mm slack - I could push nozzle further back home against head so 8mm travel was probably 7mm way too little to feed n seal properly - more reopening of box again refit best possible tappet I could find - also noted the tappet plates vary a bit - the one I'm using has the nozzle mount U "ridge" slight forward of tappet mount - where as shs tappet the nozzle ridge was further back and nozzle sat a smidge further back on the shs tappet plate (possible better feed but not so great rammed home against bucking to seal) Jeez what a f*cking nightmare and it seems to like mid-caps than high caps Never experienced so much grief - they normally punched as expected or there abouts and yes the red shs nozzle was same size or nigh on exact same size as stock nozzle fitted so wasn't expecting to grind nozzle which I decided against as if too much removed I could be boned Yeah I feel ya pain - the fps drop could be the nozzle not quite sealing 101% on the lip of the bucking that is where you might be losing and not the gun/box itself Yeah right pain in the ar$e I know

Kinda hard to fathom exactly what you are saying but "might" be the selector gears & plate wrongly aligned so it doesn't fire correctly probably 1 cog out on the gears like the common AK problem if the gear mechanism is out of whack a smidge

Agreed but a while ago on a totally different forum I've seen things really snowball and seen way too much mud slinging and stuff maybe OP was bull$hitting and got found out - dunno don't care. If they ripped/scammed others - especially me then I would care I'd very much doubt if we would choose any new company over our favourites - nor do I think AK2M4 has anything to worry about yet By all means expose the truth or inflated prices and all that - expose any scammers etc..... But it carrying on when point has been made and us continuing to rip it further apart is not need or a good image for this place perhaps

Near enough to me but got a crooked neck now ffs could of maybe gone a smidge more but the sides of teeth look to be slapping each other so by doing this you won't get the big initial pick up tooth snapping off at higher speeds (done that twice before penny dropped that you can't just drop a beefy motor & 11.1v in a gun) it is all down to your own preference and what increments you can work to in the end you can trim a thin 2mm washer/pad and slip behind piston head - once done up it will compress to 1mm thickness so taking a 1mm pad and doing the same would give you 0.5mm squish to push piston a smidge further back BUT it looks fine - the more AOE you do the more fps you will lose as stroke is slightly reduced but if you improved the seals - better o-ring on piston getting a better seal and ptfe on cylinder head, o-ring nozzle you claw back what you might lose doing AOE - aprox 10-15fps For added boost add a bearing spring guide - this will also compress spring a smidge more to put you back up or a little more than before Please ensure that EVERYTHING you add/replace operates smoothly and doesn't catch/snag one of the best tools you can have is a small set of craft files - coz a lot of them TM compatible parts very often benefit from a smoothing over You can chuck the best parts in the world in a box and still won't last as long as a load of old crappy parts from a spares box carefully assembled You are taking your time step by step which should yeild great effective results once you are finished AOE looks fine to me - but my friggin neck hurts now - next time rotate the bloomin' pic ps - what box is that - piston looks G&G-ish but brass cylinder I haven't seen in my v2 G&G's - usually blue cylinder

No offense chaps - but I think we have pulled this apart enough maybe unwise the way it was presented but reckon the op knows that now...... think the point has been made and don't think I'm gonna close my GF TWA LWA etc.... accounts just yet

With regards to cheating chrono I often wondered at the chrono - no mag required hold gun upright - marshall drops in his own 0.20bb the bb would roll down barrel stopping just other side of hop up holding gun at a slight incline to prevent bb rolling forward NOW chrono it - deffo bb is 0.20gms, the hop wouldn't really matter if it was wound right on coz bb stops just in front of hop now Readings should be slightly higher than a gun setup to fire 0.20's with hop on a little but suppose site could allow say 360 - 365 max as their own 0.20 bb was fired with no real hop/spin on it This would also save people who have their hop set just perfect for say 0.30 or 0.25's having to wind it fully off just for chrono As a few sites demand zero hop off I am lead to think Really never saw any joule creep on aeg's like I said - but maybe gas - green gas/propane may expand or behave differently as it propels bb Maybe - and this is just pure bollox maybe when it reaches end of barrel is reacts slightly as it exits the barrel pushing the bb hit the air outside Dunno about CO2 guns - they might also or might not have joule creep Would be interesting to see if the HPA guns have any joule creep as they are using normal compressed dry air - unless they add anything else so in effect what is being expelled is the same stuff an aeg fires so to speak If so then in "theory" if HPA's didn't suffer creep then it would point to the type of gas used in propelling the bb and would point to Gas Guns would only have to watched for creep But yeah end of day the chrono is not 101% perfect but it is a rough basic test to start to ensure we have similar powered guns within the limits of site Still could run a hot gun but that would mainly down to deliberate cheating rather than some gas guns having a bit of creep

Mr cheapo G&G here.... Did you look at the sexy MK18 (crap mid cap) or the GC16 30th metal both £150 airsoftworld and my own personal favourites - cheap and great value for money very nice to work on and tweak. Yes everybody has CM's but then they are the Ford Transit's of airsoft but.... if something is very popular/common it usually means it is a good bang for ya buck so to speak