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I'm trying to cut down on smoking & saying G&G's - both are very hard for me Raider or CM18 for rails - polymer but good polymer guns or GC16 30th is metal but less rail space but all the same unless you are gonna bolt on kitchen sink attatchments

£200 full metal M4 with rails & battery could be a bit tight unless you buy s/hand or could import if ukara'd cheaper metal guns are not always better than decent polymer ones GC16 30th is good buy but not full rails - though suspect it would do most people's attachments tbh

a hire gun would be more effective than using a torch - soz couldn't resist don't go too nutz on buying up a mofo torch if you not got your own gun just yet a cheapo torch just to find ya way from from some dark basement could be wise but if ya want dark - pah go to epsom tunnels and see what dark is really all about (ya mum told you to eat ya carrots and she was right)

I'm liking this new member already reduces my crappy spam count and saves my fingers wearing out typing the same old same old I'm still a newbie learning all the time from them really clever mofo's out there welcome aboard

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That is a peq battery and is designed to fit in one - but a good price deffo get a couple like many have said carbine don't have much rail space as front wired in handguard though you could have a low height box on top but you got the full M4 handle on there possible options - check out componentshop or hobbyking for batteries to fit in your current gun or consider other options like rear wired/fet and a stubby stock to fit in much bigger block batteries (this is a bit more involved though but worth considering if wiring in a fet at some point)

Blimey - ya didn't have to quote everything - lol aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes I see your dilemma...... best thing I can suggest is contact airsoftworld and have a chat, they have a bloke there that does the 2-toning and he is very creative to say the least - they do some "wasteland" style schemes, not cheap but shows there are options perhaps certainly better than say some other 2-tone styles out there: http://airsoftzone.co.uk/airsoft-guns/two-tone some of the guns in the above link are feckin' hideous to say the least yes the cm18 could be pig ugly if 2-toned over the sexy 2-tone it comes in, maybe they could blue up some of the tan bits leave black receiver and just paint some of the easier to get to bits so to speak - grip, sights, crane stock etc..... Have a chat with them - if you are paying for a 2-tone service on top of the gun then its only natural you would wanna check & discuss it The Kong II is worth getting at that discounted rate, I admit I haven't fitted and played with mine all wired properly in but it is supposed to be a proper fet that performs well once wired into trigger the "avacado" ones are not proper fets they are just a plug in burst wizrad that do work ok but a bit hitn miss on some guns/batteries The Kong can be used in plug/play mode for time being but it is designed to be properly wired into triger contacts as a fet to really unlock it fully For a discounted price of a tenner I also said yes please as any basic fet would cost you £10+ Once a gun is fet'd externally (outside the gearbox), then the main work is done and mosfets can changed very easily or quickly once the trigger is wired up to a fet and the motor wires run in new wire - that is the main bit of installing a fet yeah email or give them a quick ring and speak to them about 2-tone options - can't hurt, and sure you both can sort out something A raider is maybe a good cheaper option for getting rails and short one would be ideal for cqb too 2-tone can be "altered" or assisted in general "wear" quite easily unless some paint is accidently spilt on it The GC16 has a nice long run of rails on top and a bit of rail space option on handguard to mount grip it is also quite sturdy unlike some other hanguards which is very loose & wobbly - snakeskin looks nice I will admit all the CM's are just tarted up carbines - just with slightly different externals/barrels - all good sturdy internals inside

I "think" the BOT is still polymer/abs and about £170-ish so when you compare that to a £150 metal GC16 - you are paying more for plastic receiver & a so-so mosfet at best The CM18 is a sexy looking gun and perhaps is one of my favourites said before shame they didn't do a 30th CM18 or Raider instead of the 26 30th edition (GC16 (front wired) classic style handguard so to speak is great but should of done a Raider/CM18 (rear wired) with RIS/rails) I'd have paid a bit more for a metal Raider/CM18 Raiders are great starters @ £123 I do think the long is perhaps too long @ 357 and the short is uuhhmm perhaps a tiny bit too short @ 233 and I love the 275 GC16 & CM18 as I feel they are perfect all rounders imho FireHawk's are great headturners - dinky mofo's that you will always get comments - usually: "F*ck me that's loud" I will admit it can get on your nerves and also your team mates too all day long - especially in echo places like cqb tunnels etc.... But wtf - at least ya team will know if you are still in game defending/attacking on other side I do not get commision for G&G and I don't think the sun shines out of their ar$e either I totally slate the new DSG FireHawk out of the box, and even with tweaks I'm unsure as to if she will really last long term I strongly urge anybody to think seriously about getting a DSG FireHawk - they are that bad and no semi and pi$$poor DSG performance amongst poor crafstmanship in the build etc........ Normal FireHawk's are worth considering, they are a good gun - with semi and if you wanted to you can make them quite quick without needing a DSG build - you could hit 20+ on 7.4v, even higher if you used higher speed 12 13 or 14:1 gears plus a rewire fet & a stronger neodym motor but go easy as you approach 30rps to avoid damage to piston/box The BOT I seriously doubt if I will buy, nor the other CQB gun they do - that retails at about £165 - £170 The DSG FH was over the £150 mark I set for a CM (Airsoftworld do CM18 @ £150 others do it for £155) So taking into account the poor HC05 DSG plus the track record of G&G fet's and over the £150 limit - nah I don't think so Once you go over that £150-£170 and if ukara'd etc.... you can start to get some nice metal guns eg: BI-8001 - now this needs a tweak here n there but is nice possible next step up gun This is just one example but is one I have recently treated myself to though is still to be tweaked properly I doubt if I would buy a higher end G&G TopTech gun at this moment in time - but that might change perhaps On the other hand I am not sure about some of their new stuff coming out with super duper electrics (more stuff to go wrong and not G&G's strong point in the past perhaps) The split gearbox - well has been out a while in ICS especially new bb loading system - hmmm kinda means these newer guns may have special bespoke parts rather than TM compatible parts I'm old school - love the mechanics of the box and its workings etc..... That all said my own feelings is get a G&G starter you like and just use it out of the box for a while...... After say 6-12 months you may notice the performance has dropped a little perfectly normal as springs lose tension seals wear etc..... THEN consider having her serviced/tweaked by somebody or ONLY if you feel confident and can set aside time should you consider doing it yourself - though if you have some common sense you should be fine first time is always the worst - but they are very nice guns to work on so I can say they are not as bad as my first few guns Read up as always - ask loads, take pictures & above time and you should be fine a little service tweak at first - correct AOE seals/nozzle maybe new m100 spring then later maybe you can look to upgrade her if you so wish (motor faster gears fet etc....) keep it sensible - I really do think a gun firing between 20-30 is enough for most peeps in UK The faster they fire the shorter it will last - in general terms, also the CM is not a CNC gearbox - so don't go real nutz you could replace the small tamiya on there with a deans connector asap - but keep battery to 7.4v lipo (do not go for 11.1v lipo without a fet - in fact if you do the upgrades later on you probably won't really need a 11.1v)

Google up who makes Echo1 guns and how they are made, assembled, rebranded or slung together in USA. Me personally I don't quite think the starter JG guns have better boxes than G&G CM's. CM boxes have had 8mm solid bushing/bearings and radius boxes for over 18 months.... Yes maybe early boxes may have failed more in the past. But up until recently JG boxes were 7mm plastic bushings and not radius boxes. But just recently they have started use solid bushings and I am quite sure they have started to radius the boxes at front too. But make up your own minds if G&G are any good or not for what it is worth if you wish to go down the p90 route..... if you seek to obtain a cheap additional boneyard/spares-repair one to upgrade to 400+ fps then "maybe" you could see if a ukara'd m8 (or yourself once you have skirmished) would purchase one of these: http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90tr-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19 http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90trk-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19 http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90tr-sd-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19 I do not know what these are like - but at under say £90 they might be worth considering if p90 is a must have Blimey those cheap p90's all under £90 sold out straight away - all 3 types in stock this morning (think I'd best stop posting all them good offers I find - none left for me - jeez)

Think they only break if you are american...... Mainly coz G&G send all the faulty guns stateside - they both hate each other Seriously - it seems "some" US techy's hate G&G big time favouring more of their own stuff or I think JG and some others who may produce or help to produce the Echo1 guns over there Perhaps even more G&G hate has emerged as G&G copied seigtek Dual Sector Gear design (Many techy's hate the cheaper SHS & Modify copies already as it was a US idea/concept and Riot/Seigtek is far superior) customer wise - even american owners seem to be very pleased with them if you look on US retailer sites reviews ALL GUNS CAN FAIL - They will very likely fail quicker as they are made to fire faster and more powerfully Perhaps taking a CM starter box to nearly 35-40rps with 400fps will be pushing it too far - it is not a high end box reinforced etc.... But it is not a bad box by no means - it is a good decent box all the same in a good starter gun. Me personally think I only need a gun to shoot 20-30rps @ 349.99999999fps - that is plenty for our UK sites then that will do and try to make it use that properly by improving its accuracy...... I like them and some others do - yes the CM's are not ultra high end - they are not supposed to be at that price They sell so many of them each year after year - they are not absolute piles of junk that some haters say they are No G&G are not perfect - some of their higher end stuff has had problems and some of their new stuff emerging I may not be impressed with but think G&G starter guns - (forget mosfet or dsg Mr G&G) - their starter guns are a good beginners platform to get started with.

No it's the players that work better in the UK - ooh meeeeoooooowwwwww just kidding to any o/seas players the other bit was just a lot more guides/parts/tutorials on opening up the v2 or v3 gearbox's (though as far as guides go - you only need one good comprehensive guide and common sense) as long as you take your time take pics etc... I'm sure you will be fine

It was that airsoft society is more of a US based forum and have explained some US techy's hate G&G raise an enquiry about SHS DSG and enjoy the wrath as oppossed to seigtek for example (no I'm not having a go at airsofters across the pond but many feel very strongly about Riot's DSG) hence I just wondered about the forum & boneyard as it is typical american - we tend to say breakers yard I feel The enthusiasm part was gonna upgrade a rather bespoke gearbox as your first attempt rather than a convential v2 or v3

So are you in US or UK coz kinda confused tbh kinda guessing UK but boneyard and other forum + higher fps makes me think USA G&G starters are still rated highly on Evike & AGI - by customers anyway just a lot of techy's like to pick holes in them but like I said they are not in same league as the higher end stuff but still fantastic value good reliable guns with very decent boxes - there are a number of less quality for more money guns out there up to the owner what they buy/use in the end - its their money so buy whatever you like/feel I admire your enthusiasm though

First off - I don't know why but a fair amount of techy's on US forums hate G&G and also SHS - well anything from far east They like G&P, Seigtek, Lonex - yes very good but so they bloomin' should be for the extra you pay I can only presume you yourself are from the other side of pond as you are probably talking about Evike's boneyard items Which is fine coz UK sites have lower limits than stateside ones so you could use a higher fps gun But if you are lead to think that G&G boxes break like toothpicks then I suggest you may read on a bit more coz that forum has a great tutorial on build higher speed guns etc... clearly stating numourous times you don't need to go mad a lot of the time certainly don't need to have all hi end stuff to acheive an improved box/gun Yes TM are way better than a standard G&G starter gun - much like comparing a Lexus to a Kia/Hyundai so to speak I will gladly accept the TM is better - but hardly a fair match when they are at different ends of the spectrum Me personally I'll stick at the lower end for now and learn as I go, my actual skills in skirmishing certainly don't to me warrant a higher end gun just yet, I will need to gain a bit/lot more skill in playing and maintaining aeg's first I feel well tbh I'd probably just end up taking the cheaper guns as far as I feel they can go within moderation/reg use etc.... To each their own as they say, but me personally - I tend to think of the saying: Fine clothes do not make a gentleman, it is not the gun but the player holding it that can win the game (yes a fantastic gun helps a bit but don't guarantee jack - well that is just my noobish humble opinion)

GOT IT A BFG FOR EXTREMELY DEAF PLAYERS ..... WHAT ??? I SAID: BFG FOR EXTREMELY DEAF PLAYERS

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The good thing about G&G's is that you have a few good model/styles options for quite a reasonable price so you got change for batteries/charger/mags/eye pro etc.... ICS are nice and they start at around same price as G&G's at fire support but stuff in the £150 mark are very much the same just with long/short barrel or different stocks, think you gotta pay a little more to get the £200 mark with some nicer models I got a ICS 42W 2 -tone/clear - well a few and they are nice but most of those in that range were the same style like I said nice gun all the same, reckon a little quicker rof than G&G out of box, clever AR release etc.... But I just like the G&G starter (£120-£160) range of guns, a few choices what floats ya boat but effectively all the same inside just a CM carbine with tarted up front ends really - but all the same good robust build that work well and a dream to work on As for other makes/brands - well depends on your site.... if you was playing only cqb and close cqb then it could be semi only - pistols mp5k ???? if you was playing a mixture semi/auto cqb then stubby M4 - FireHawk/Short Raider or AK74 or G36 if you was looking to say also try out mid range woodland then maybe add on slightly longer GC16 CM18 or 300+ barrels (it don't mean or guarantee better range but if you got room out there then no point just using a smaller gun/pistol on larger areas) You can use anything really but perhaps go for 229-300 size guns for a general all rounder gun - well just my opinion

avoid G&G BOT - no I ain't got one and probably won't reason their fet's haven't got the best reputation and much better ones out there from £10 or build ya own for £5 (plus their new FireHawk HC05 was crap so I don't think much of G&G's R&D dept lately) the GC16 30th offers the best value for must have metal peeps £150 airsoftworld.net short raider/firehawk are short - well yeah but being short they are not likely to bust unless you start using them as hammer/crowbar etc... other makes of plastic guns are very brittle but the abs or polymer or whatever it is used in the CM's stands up very very well if you have £150 to spend then either GC16 30th if you must have metal or CM18 - abs/polymer/plastic but sexy darling of a gun - crap mid cap - leave that in box coz G&G mid caps are not great like some of their fitted mosfets or £123 - short raider will do perfectly also people always think metal is a must - but numerous guns are polymer eg: G36, UAR, ST, ARX - sure there are loads of modern looking guns out there for cqb - short raider - 233 barrel, firehawk 110, cm18 or gc16 - 275 barrel (think that is correct aprox but don't sue me if I'm a tad out) though it don't matter that much but just saying shorter guns could be better suited for tight turns/corridors than a longer mofo but cqb most crap is under 50ft for example

Kinock was an ugly ginger bastid - he stood no f*ckin chance Maggie was no oil painting but deffo easier on the eyes than Neil

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http://www.cumbria-airsoft.com/dates.html May 16th - Saturday it seems, think about 2/3rds play Sunday but my local one also plays Saturday hope that ain't the one with lapse eye-pro safety

I absolutely suck at airsoft but still good fun all the same...... If you can't skirmish very often, if you can fire a few shots off in ya garden its still good Not just talking about just pop shots at some target, there are loads of things you can do. using cover effectively is not as easy as people think, the experienced players are so damn good they hardly emerge from cover to take you out When you think you got that sussed - then try shooting with your other hand or peeking left as they say So as you emerge from cover on your left & shooting left to keep as much as possible behind cover - yeah that is not easy to master When you watch from the dead zone the pro's finish the game, jeez they are in a different league - they don't move they glide it seems Those people I watch and try to learn from. Kid myself that I might get anywhere near their level.... I know you get people all pulling in different directions, but reckon if you give it a few visits you and some others will soon put together a little squad Then you can all learn from each other, strengths/weakness and become more effective as you work as a small group of players trying to acheive objective Well that's the theory - even then the best players/teams can have bad days when nothing goes right for one reason or other Remember not to take it tooooooooooooooooooooo seriously - I know you can get all pumped up but it is still a game so try to have "fun" if possible It is a toy gun - and a load of people "playing" with toy guns, yes some are really nice expensive toy guns all the same but it ain't the gun, but the player holding it that helps win the game in the end (and it is just a game - so try not to get stressed too much if it ain't always going to plan)

http://www.airsoftmap.net/Skirmish/ couple up there in lake/cumbria though dunno if they are still going but its a starting point perhaps.... welcome to forum & nice gun btw

They are a bit of a bollock ache v2's There are a couple of ways to route the wires in box and in grip most go for the standard wire each side in box but if using much thicker wire and 2 x fet wire's say on a rear wired box it can get a bit cramped by motor, so options are widen box at rear and run both motor wires down back, only fet wires go across motor entry in box G&G default is to run two seperate wires out of both sides of box, then run both at back of grip rather than either side of motor The DSG I ran both at back of box, both at back of grip, one laid low on negative terminal of motor, then positive ran the long way round motor on top of negative Reason being there is a blank or plate on bottom of grip motor plate preventing a shorter direct route - could cut a groove but routed it as was allowed.... It did actually lay quite well - was pleased coz thought it would never fit in on such thicker wire - but it did go in there quite easily in the end - well reasonably easy Still a bollock ache all the same, luckily there are a few options but yes you can solder on a v2 but is regarded as more of pain to remove & service box where as v3's remove frame/motor cage, and you got access to box - even solder/desolder the switch wires without needing to open box fitting a fet on a v3 & upgrade wire can all be done without opening the box - though as we know it don't hurt to crack it open and aoe,seals,grease to ensure she is fet & juice ready...... Yes only worked on a few v3's but I do like them as being a bit more user friendly to work on especially electrical wise & test purposes with motor cage on and test away deffo an improvement on the older v2's in my humble opinion. But that don't mean I prefer AK's over the Fords of Airsoft - M4's (I ain't joining the dark side just yet but admit they got a better build/layout)