Sitting Duck

its different - but then so am I actually I'd say I'm unique though many others refer to me as some odd looking mofo

looks to me like some leftovers arranged near each other n not assembled together 101% how the f*ck do ya adjust the motor height don't look like mag will fit in properly either some guns had an orgy and this wasn't the by-product of the result it was the friggin' afterbirth ffs abortion - heck a backstreet abortion in my book some bell-end toying with the idea of AK L96 love child... what do ya think ????? f*ckin hideous and that is being kind

Hmmmmm - tough one coz I personally haven't used guarder springs - only stock and/or shs & element what is gun shooting at - has the AOE been done? a m110 will put out aprox 365 - BUT if a box hop nozzle is perfect seal a m100 will get close to that instead of its "supposed" 328fps or 100m/sec figure Often to compenstate for slight - and I mean slight air loss a 105 or 110 can be installed to get to 350 trouble is sometimes springs can be pushing out a smidge more than say 110m/sec and good seals can take this to even 380fps+ when AOE is done you can expect a drop of 10 to 15fps but normally when this is carried out the seals in box are checked and improved upon eg: good double o-ring cylinder head plus possible ptfe tape wrap, o-ring nozzle, new well lubed piston o-ring, polish cylinder etc etc...... so in effect though you lose15fps you claw back most of this with better seals now if a bearing spring guide is fitted over a cheap std one then you can expect to add 10fps on top - so you could end up with a great sealed box on say 105% of its original fps even though you lost 15fps doing AOE - if you really get it sweet Still ain't finished coz if you fitted another nozzle with o-ring and didn't check/compare old & new the new nozzle may be a smidge shorter and you no longer get a good or decent seal against hop bucking and so your fps can plummet or too long nozzle and it may create feeding issues - jeez it is bloomin' nightmare if you don't take your time to check stuff And all this stuff on springs n fps means nothing if you do not have a chrono to test your results coz as I mentioned the final figure can really really vary a hell of a lot I'd do the best possible checks you can on old spring first - really ensure your piston hardly moves once past the cylinder port and I mean really hardly moves - big difference between a good seal and a great seal AOE must be done - not should, it must be done if running a gun @ 20+rps not a case if it piston will snap at pick up tooth - the very big first lug on piston it ain't a case of if it will - it is a case of when it will snap off - so AOE must be done in guns firing into 20's imho All springs will lose some of their tension over time - aprox 10% perhaps in 6 months eg: gun fires 330 new but later on it is dropping to 300 - though some may also be wear on seals too One day I'll get around to getting say a couple of m130's - get then shoved into an old shredded piston using a few spacers to compress spring a little more inside piston say a further 5mm each end bolt the spring into the piston with a 100mm M6 nut + bolt - with 2 x 5mm spacers so its really compressed then leave it for a fortnight or month to lose some ooomph..... this might lose a bit say 10% = a m117 spring power, short stroke a box/piston 2 teeth to arrive at aprox 350 coz spring has lost a bit of its initial tension then there is a good chance that m117 power will maintain its power very reliable & for a longer period of time - well that is the theory one day I may get around to testing if it actually works out Springs are a bit of a lottery there are different types but I tend to use the std consistent coil springs with a decent thickness of wire some have more coils in centre so initial start of compression is easier and once piston is moving the tension escalates in the middle onwards yeah soz can't say yes or no to other spring - get gun running ok and see what happens first is my guess at this moment

fleabay - search for "compression springs" should be able to get a bag or box of 50 or so springs for under a fiver delivered may need cutting/stretching a tension - pull spring type but worth a shot or you may find something in a weird place like a clicky bic biro pen or something soz can't help on semi selector issue as I ain't broke or dismantled my cyma - yet failing that grab a cheapo replacement from TWG or patrolbase: http://www.taiwangun.com/en/cm-030-tan-cm?from=listing&campaign-id=19 - yeah I know its tan but cheap as chips http://www.patrolbase.co.uk/airsoft/asg-glock-18c-electric-airsoft-pistol.htm#.VXG0b0bqfIU - ahhh crap its out of stock atm (same stuff just rebranded cyma to ASG - cheers to sp00n for review n info on this)

Yes they say SHS torque nd speed motors do run warm/hot but my feeling is that these motors are running under more load/cycling faster etc..... I bought some really cheap motors and they REALLY ran hot - even just on their own outside of box testing http://eud.dx.com/product/long-high-speed-airsoft-aeg-motor-844112910#.VXGgfUbqfIU magnets are mentally strong but think the build or assembly is pi$$ poor - even polarity on both long n short was labelled wrongly the case was bigger and was too tight in an ak motor frame that motor height adjustment wasn't smooth so I have strppied and rebuilt the short one into an old 28tpa ferrite to make a frankentorque which runs cooler than the cheapo one did still to do a proper test on it but seems a beef of a motor and really really hard to turn by hand now.... Still gonna stick to my fav Big Dragon M160's and wait for shipping To the OP - make sure piston is not all full metal teeth - you gotta have a few plastic teeth if going faster if full metal piston is used and you get PE it will make a big mess coz no weak point to break/shred piston (imagine all steel teeth/gears/pinion on motor smashing into each other - that mess will be costly - smashed 12:1 gears etc...) As you go faster n faster it creates more n more issues to deal with I have learned the hard way you can't just chuck in this n that - often stuff will bust unless you do other work etc..... As you may go past 25rps once wired up - you "may" get two other things happen Pre Engagement or get closer to the risk of it on a m100 spring setup Double firing on semi also may start to occur, especially on a fresh higher charge or C rating battery if these symptoms happen then you have to move onto more work like looking at a higher spring: M110 or M120 spring and coz your over fps you have to shortstroke a tooth or two or three etc..... Shortstroking is a bit of guess work for many often each tooth will reduce fps by aprox 6.5% - don't ask but I need to get out more Airlabs highly recommend shortstroking a little on the more tweaked guns but like I said as people go faster it involves more additional work therefore if people can be content with 20 to 25rps there shouldn't be a massive amount of work/problems creeping in 20rps should be do-able on stock - nearly 25 can be done on stock gears if you really really really use thick as f*ck wire soldered direct to motor on a v3 often stock gears are ok for most or perhaps use 14:1 or 13:1, 12:1 is maybe a too higher ratio imho and 16:1 gears are really 17.5 ratios so I got mugged OP needs to check bevel height and ensure piston has some plastic teeth & AOE etc.... when rewiring the box coz once it is rewired on thicker stuff you may gain a small percentage - up to say 5% it probably will be fine but there is a very slight tiny risk of getting to say 27+rps and sailing closer to PE more so if it is a fresh 7.4v off charge it will be pushing out 8.4v+ etc.... I'm sure new wire will greatly help but check a few things when you got your box open

Soz for double post but am trying to break it up a bit........ http://www.poisonappleairsoft.com/product/poisonapple-airsoft-silver-wire-cable-2m-upgrade/ that is da $hit you want if fitting 16awg silicone wire is tight inside ya gearbox I could link to the stuff I use but not giving all my secrets away and you have to buy my stuff in about 10m lengths anyway coz it ain't cheap To anybody else reading this - it takes a fair bit of work to get ya gun firing faster n faster You box will go faster.... it WILL f*ck up faster it WILL wear faster it WILL run hotter as more more heat is created - yup you guessed it - faster So with all this in mind I strongly urge people to go slowly as you tweak your gun and learn as you go - often you get to a point where in my opinion around 25rps is plenty and a good balance of tweaking vs durability to OP - rewire box and on motor connectors - hold upright and blob solder each side of elbow don't blob solder on it coz it may run down into connector and not fit on motor contact (I did that and had to cut/refit another connector - so hold upright and surplus solder runs back to wire - not connector) If after all that and she is still running quite hot under normal use then I would suggest you check shimming... YES your box may be running sweet but if the bevel gear is set low then as motor is wound inwards it pushes bevelm, it pushes that poor bevel too much and it runs tight against the bushing/bearing - creating more strain/heat This is not your normal schreechy sound but it deffo puts additional load on motor..... On the motor - it is a very strong neodym torque motor and will just grunt along turning but strain/wear/heat is taking place So ensure bevel is shimmed perhaps a smidge high rather than a smidge low I say a smidge - and I mean a smidge - normally on quality gears you will not need hardly anything on top of bevel the thinnest thinnest shim on bushings - max or maybe 2 x thinnest shims on bearings - max any more and by my reckoning you are shimming bevel too low You should check and really pay attention to bevel gear height in your gearbox - every box is different but check out some guides coz this crap is important in high speed boxes - and not so fast boxes if you want them to run well Think that just about covers it from me for the moment - but heck I'm still breaking n learning myself soz if I went way way overboard and don't worry if some of this is just pure crap 99.9% of what I type is just that

battery will be ok @ 20c - kinda of scraping it a little on the higher beefy setups as I run 25c to 35c on my guns - some go nutz and run 45c+ batteries but c'mon..... on that setup me thinks you may want 35c tbh but that is not the problem me thinks its ya wire holding ya back AND it is a beefy setup for UK sites with our not so mental rof & rps as over the pond it is capable of hitting 30+ on 7.4v or 40-heck 45+ on 11,1v and probably go BANG !!!! @ 25rps you do start to get a risk of Pre Engagement creeping in on really heavy slow returning pistons though it shouldn't occur until you go over 30 - but it could be getting close Hence the PE warnings about pushing guns too far - trust me and plenty others on here we have busted a few pistons along the way - well I've broke plenty of guns taking the mega pi$$ To be honest I think if box was rewired you should of got near 20 rps on stock 18:1 gears and would of been fine for many people worst rip off gears are in fact 16:1 gear sets - recently found out they are aprox 17.5:1 so htf can they call them 16:1 or 16.65:1 - jeez that ain't a 10% but only 5% gear ratio change over stock gears it will still get warm coz it will be doing lots more work so even if motor/mosfet can keep up it will be running at least twice possible a bit more than stock 30rps compared to say 14rps out of the box - so yeah it will get warm but hopefully we try to give it as least resistance as possible You gotta rewire it first and see if she runs better - probably need to go up to 25c at least at some point but depends on room available for battery I guess - but deffo rewire first n see

It will certainly help - it won't make matters worse and I presume you have got deans and not Small Tamiya small tamiya, multiple breaks/joins in wiring, thinner stock wire, and the motor connectors needs a possible blob on 90 degree bend/elbow You need the thickest wire from battery - fet & motor you can get in there fet signal wires - tiny thin crap - heck 26awg is fine though wouldn't go any thinner deans - least joins/breaks in wire etc.... - then motor connectors is next resistance Sounds like a v2 - it was v3 I say consider solder wires to motor BUT only if all running 101% sweet but that would be on v3 - if v2 don't solder wires direct to motor coz its a git to service gearbox later (just try to blob the bends - or the connectors will just blow like a thin blade fuse under stress) Your setup on 12:1 & high torque motor will unleash 30+ rps on a 7.4v - 25c to 35c battery (if you are way below that it is coz there is lots or resistance/choking it) That setup you are fitting together is quite a beefy setup - and I strongly advise: DO NOT CONNECT 11.1V TO GUN OR PRE ENGAGEMENT MAY TAKE PLACE !!!!!! No offense but doubt if you did all your homework coz 11.1v will go too fast and smash f*ck out of piston/box 12:1 gears might have been a little too much perhaps(12.65:1 ratio me thinks) you have effectively increased cycle speed by 50% on gears & also the neo motor another 40 to 50% so you have doubled the stock speed at least onm old gears n motor but wiring is still stock - jeez oh n spam on semi - keep firing on just semi say 2 shots per second for a minute (120 single shots in a minute) Then you will know what a warm gun is like - it is like a mega stress test some mosfet guy on youtube does to test his work (the guy really knows his stuff - way more than I will ever know) Actually don't do it for too long - actually don't do it at all until you have rewired and reduced resistance points like I said earlier (your stock wiring will deffo not be able to cope) SOZ - mega OTT reply but that is some serious oooooomphy setup - ya gonna get a bit of heat especially if spamming - DEFINATELY WITH $HIT WIRE and only doing the job half done so to speak

or two, or three.........

Build it, but paint it vivid 2tone orange/black Then own everybody with a JBBG looking gun And wipe their smug grins of there snobby faces (well that is what I wanna do for laughs)

That wasn't in a game - that was his ex when she found out how much he REALLY spent on guns

LOL - yup I got shot in the ol' chap but first time I admitted because everyone says blimey he must have had a powerful scope cheeky bastids - got shot smack bang on it - think it was shaft rather than stingy ouchy bell end OK OK - FFS DUCK WAY TOO MUCH INFO AND PLEASE NO PICTURES OF ALL PLACES - at Epsom Tunnels in the gloomy darkness ffs - yes that tiny area - but not that tiny still if it had hit the balls/sack/bell-end that could of hurt a lot more just a little lower etc..... Only blokes understand the uncertain delicate area down there..... you can take a wallop in ya crutch and think - wow that ain't too bad then drop a reasonable light object in ya lap and be in absolute agony But yeah - JEEEZ FFS MATE - I said Sorry he said.... (F*cking will be next time you are in my sights I thought) but yeah it stung a bit but wasn't quite as bad as I was first expecting - man down, old chap down mayday mayday get some ice

Clean barrel coz it often has crap in it Try a few makes n weight of bb's 0.20 & 0.25 often 25's though heavier maintain better accuracy FPS is not the be all n end all TM often shoot 300fps but outrange many 350fps guns Depending on gun, you can get a ZCI tbb and a metal hop with a couple of different rubbers for about £50 Idea being make up barrel hop etc and swap over with stock barrel etc... If no improvement you ain't boned anything You can buy the best parts in the world but if fitted badly it will be worse than stock Some guns perform really really well out of the box too Chuck money n time at any gun any you can get it to perform better if you know what you are doing But often that wisdom takes time to learn I'm still breaking n learning BTW Your gun won't hit 100m most hit 45 to 60m Max, a good gun a bit more and better groupings but don't believe all the bull$hit out there There is no easy upgrade, you need to see how gun performs first n set hop/sights as best as you can I got a couple of guns that are amazing stock cheapo guns actually 2 of the same ak's One hit a thin aerosol can say 80ft away 4 out of 5 times Others I might only get 1 or 2 ting that can out of 5 Until you try or see what other guns are like compared to yours don't worry You can chuck £100 heck even £200 at a gun and see very little improvement if you blindly think I must change this n that with more expensive stuff Often modest parts fitted well work just as well The gun is only half of it, the skill of the player holding it is what normally gains victory Soz for long lecture but see how your gun performs first and get used to it, no point opening fire on enemy beyond your guns range or your ability And a sniper will often outrange you so pick engagements wisely

MAINTENENCE Look after ya gun And you gun will look after you ???? No Dave its just look after your gun Soz, keep barrel clean Empty mags at end of day or spring in may loses tension result in crap feeding Ensure gun is dry fired on semi to also reduce losing tension on main spring when storing gun Use decent BB's, etc Bottom line only mess n change stuff IF IT REALLY NEEDS IT well until you gain a bit of experience

Wasn't having a pop at you m8, you played wisely with your gun on your first outing Now you can get stuck in more, watch out for that spotty 12yr old though

I might get my Blue Peter Itsy n Bitsy craft box out & have a go myself Looks like best of both worlds without the tortue or face imprint (It's not that I ain't very manly or hard - just if I don't wear full face I scare the younger players)

Thorpe Park - not too far from the Mall in Reading then

Yup, chill chaps. We all camp up or "strategically lay in wait" if you like from time to time Op was at disadvantage and admits he will get better gun to get stuck in more.... £50 or £500 gun - it is still a toy gun And no matter how expensive or good you are You WILL at some point get taken out by some spotty 12 yr old with a JBBG springer/plinker Probably humiliating as you would rather die by stealthy knife kill anyday A sneaky but effective way of winning some games is to hide a man, telling him to stay put n do nothing... That happens and my team lost a good 5mins maybe 10 looking for last bloke Sneaky bastids but fair play to enemy team - think they was trying to bury the bloke alive if they had a bit more time getting ready It is a game, people play differently especially if situation changes. I'm judging nobody - and if I was. I would take a good look at myself first coz I am far from perfect. This may or may not come as a shock to some you chaps somebody post up a YouTube of where is the love ? Or Harry Enfield Scouser's - Alright Alright calm down calm down Just had a re-read of where it started to go off the rails or derailed WHOA THIS TIME IT WAS OFF THE RAILS ALREADY - so don't accuse me of derailing it think it all went a bit pear shape when mention a cheaper gun taking out somebody with a more expensive gun.... Yes - I can relate to that - male competitive ego n such like like beating a BMW M3 at the lights in your mum's Ford Fiesta 1.1L I guess (ahhh long ago memories) but like I said that spotty 12yr old will have you one day with his JBBG springer "BEZ GUN EVVVAAAAAA" But yeah getting a kill is great especially if they would normally have you @ 60m+ & yours is only 40m but the spotty git is gonna take you out @ 20m (yeah there was a strong tailwind helping him) Soz to OP, see if you can limp along with ya AK12, get a decent starter RIF when ya ukara'd then if you want to take your time getting AK a bit better I can help answer any questions on shoving in another box etc... forget metal rails etc..... at best it will be a nice show gun perhaps once done to use a just a backup or the odd outing It is still a very little and not ultra robust gun that won't fair too well if abused or you into trees/walls etc..... But yeah all done up, spray black and punching better it does get some looks and questions thinking you imported it from Russia or something Then they lose interest quickly when you tell 'em what it is - lol (f*ck 'em, I enjoyed doing it anyway)

Tactical Warfare Airsoft Croydon (Addington)

Just give them a call, send 'em the pics in an email etc...... they can give you the true honest answer how much or if its worth fixing heck they might have some s/hand bits n bobs off broken ics's etc...... worth a call I reckon

try fire support - http://www.fire-support.co.uk/ best ics mofo's in UK if you want see if it can fixed up or cut your loses - but deffo check out fire-support as they are probably your best bet for ICS bits

ehhh - it is one of the primary colours All of us now & I'm telling soz very bored n tired best get some kip

jeez some sites are full of more crap than me - I'm loaded with crap btw Yeah bollox - if me & duck jnr turn up then he not got ukara so he got use a jbbg or 2-tone jeez - so why the f*ck can a newbie rental have a RIF and others gotta have an IF f*ck off trying to quote the vcra to us ffs - it is about buying a RIF - owning/gifting/is totally different Oh and here's one for the site's legal team - say I bought my RIF before VCRA came along - perfectly legal back then

cm037 & a cm028 if you want longer mofo - sorted cheaply for cqb and woodland (not 521 or 520 - too cheap) £75 well spent to test the russian water or vodka