THE TM MWS thread

[MJ88]

How would i go about upping the fps on my mws?...any feedback would be appreciated cheers

[Guest Yukarin]

36 minutes ago, MJ88 said:

How would i go about upping the fps on my mws?...any feedback would be appreciated cheers

Longer inner barrel, tighter inner barrel, NPAS.

[MJ88]

cheers! what would be the best inner barrel i could buy? cost ain’t an issue  probably talking 250mm🤔🤔

[DopeYourScope]

1 hour ago, MJ88 said:

cheers! what would be the best inner barrel i could buy? cost ain’t an issue  probably talking 250mm🤔🤔

 

What's your plan with the gun? keep it under 1.3J or DMR build etc?

Been told you can get away with a Maple Leaf 250mm crazy jet and keep it under 1.3J without an NPAS

[Kayzeroth]

4 hours ago, MJ88 said:

How would i go about upping the fps on my mws?...any feedback would be appreciated cheers

Long and tighter Inner barrel along side with a high flow valve. i personally recommend the G&P Nozzle Valve 5.0 (The Red One) is variable so you can control how much you can obtain!

[RobHedley]

11 hours ago, Davegolf said:

GBB guns mash up BIOs usually

I second Dave here. i used BLS Ultimate Heavy 0.4 and about 1 in 5 just split apart as it came out of the end of the barrel. Also left a white residue on my mags, bucking and inner barrel. It may just be this batch or this brand but I wasn't impressed.

[itsme]

Just now, RobHedley said:

I second Dave here. i used BLS Ultimate Heavy 0.4 and about 1 in 5 just split apart as it came out of the end of the barrel. Also left a white residue on my mags, bucking and inner barrel. It may just be this batch or this brand but I wasn't impressed.

try green devils, i have shot about 400 rounds with them, no residue or split bbs so far.

 

i don't know any belgian store selling non bio bbs under 0.4 so i got to do it with bio's. 

 

I've seen people say to use geoffs but the only geoffs i can get are bio bbs aswel, are they even selling non bio ones?

[RobHedley]

On  another note, I am now the proud recipient of rest of the John Wick Conversion kit that @LVOA-D bought for the upper and lower receiver.

 

Top guy and completely painless transaction. If only all purchases were like this!

 

I will be getting a second MWS and building a DMR with this front end. Cannot wait to start the build. The John Wick AR-15 is actually a Taran Tactical TR-1 Ultralight and plan to build it the same. I have already priced up the BCM Stock, Pistol Grip and foregrip through Brownells!!! What is happening to me!!! Luckily I saw sense when I priced up the same Trijicon Accupoint Scope and it was $1,399 before tax, shipping and import!! I will be getting something different!! At least I haven’t completely lost it!!

 

[itsme]

12 minutes ago, RobHedley said:

On  another note, I am now the proud recipient of rest of the John Wick Conversion kit that @LVOA-D bought for the upper and lower receiver.

 

Top guy and completely painless transaction. If only all purchases were like this!

 

I will be getting a second MWS and building a DMR with this front end. Cannot wait to start the build. The John Wick AR-15 is actually a Taran Tactical TR-1 Ultralight and plan to build it the same. I have already priced up the BCM Stock, Pistol Grip and foregrip through Brownells!!! What is happening to me!!! Luckily I saw sense when I priced up the same Trijicon Accupoint Scope and it was $1,399 before tax, shipping and import!! I will be getting something different!! At least I haven’t completely lost it!!

 

very nice, i saw the two john wick movies last weekend because of you guys and the conversion kit, not my usual cup of tea but it was some good stuff! loved how the action was detailed and not shaking all over the place like most action movies. also keanu checked on his mag to see how many bullets it still had which was awsome imo!

 

Does the kit need a pts ring to fit the rail or does the outer barrel have a "wider lip" as wo1f refered? 

 

@LVOA-D why did you sell those parts, you just wanted the lower? got some pics of your build?  

[RobHedley]

10 minutes ago, itsme said:

Does the kit need a pts ring to fit the rail or does the outer barrel have a "wider lip" as wo1f refered? 

@itsme Not 100% sure but the lip on the outer barrel does look wider that the TM original from memory. Hopefully it won't as I struggled to find anywhere with stock last of the PTS Ring last time I looked.

[itsme]

31 minutes ago, RobHedley said:

@itsme Not 100% sure but the lip on the outer barrel does look wider that the TM original from memory. Hopefully it won't as I struggled to find anywhere with stock last of the PTS Ring last time I looked. 

i'm not sure what you mean, you had a hard time looking for a rail that would fit without the pts ring? 

[RobHedley]

2 minutes ago, itsme said:

i'm not sure what you mean, you had a hard time looking for a rail that would fit without the pts ring? 

 

Oops, a bit of finger trouble with the typing. I mean't I couldn't find a PTS ring in stock anywhere apart from in Honk Kong last time. However that was about 2 - 3 months ago that I looked.

[itsme]

2 hours ago, RobHedley said:

 

Oops, a bit of finger trouble with the typing. I mean't I couldn't find a PTS ring in stock anywhere apart from in Honk Kong last time. However that was about 2 - 3 months ago that I looked.

I see hehe. im wondering if i should get a ring or just look for a barrel that will fit the rail. 

 

I really want a heat treated barrel or anodized blue outer barrel but i'm not sure what to look for. (which ones will fit the MWS and won't need the PTS ring.

 

[Boristhedriver]

Hi guys, long time lurker, first time poster. Here’s my baby. Have some tan alternative fittings (peq, stock, grip etc) for different loadouts. 

[Davegolf]

You gotta love a UGL

[itsme]

@Boristhedriver Welcome brother, nice lookin' gun you got there! 

how does the noobtube work? 😛 

[Kayzeroth]

Well, go ahead and grab some coffee and hit play on that Spotify Playlist

 

Hello guys, Cheers from Panama City, Panama. (Central America just in case)

 

i bought my MTR16 a couple of months ago and was waiting to be a least on half of the build i am planing to share with you guys the excitement, the process and the findings with the journey

 

 

So, i have played once on a game and also several practices with my team as you can notice some scratches. 

I have to say that is one of the very best GBBRs that i have tested, i have shot with KWA LM4s, GHKs M4 and G5 and this is one of the most quality out of the box that i can feel.

Of course upgrades are necessary to give that personality and punch that the gun deserves to have

 

I play Milsim / Hardcore Milsim like 90% and even tho my main roll on my team is to be a sniper ( got a JG BAR10 tune up with Action Army Parts hitting 400 fps with 0.43 @3.07 Joules if you are interested)

i really wanted to go for the GBBR experience by being DMR/ Assault when i have the change or not allowed to play sniper at some areas or specific games. also being one of the instructors for some drills on the Practices with my team is great to have the your very own mainstream gun :v

 

Vanilla version of the gun was like this

 

 

 

 

My Limits for DMR are   2.23J máx. – 490 FPS

and for Assault are 1.60J máx. - 415 FPS

 

did some research since i was point blank on how GBBRs worked, had a clue but definitely not a Pro. decided to go for the ORGA LEX05 6.05 410mm for the inner barrel with the Modify TAN hop up and SixG nub ( classic copy paste from the 1st pages of the thread)

 

 

Dont you love that outer barrel? i really enjoy this design

 

Since the MTR comes with a 250mm even tho it came on a 16" barrel ( a shame on my opinion) i decided to go full on outer barrel length.  this barrel was a PAIN to get. since there is not much sites that sell them ( as far as i know) tried but finally got it from French (i believe) with POWAIR6.

 

 

here you can appreciate the good work of Dave. fitting perfectly  and in symphony with the Modify TAN that has a singular density... perhaps i will try the Maple Leaf Autobot and Decepticon here since i use them on my Sniper having good results just  to see or confirm the findings of Wolf1 on the first pages of the thread regarding the hop up buckings.

 

something i have to mention is that TM put Thread Lock on everything on the barrel, from the muzzle break to the NUTS! wink wink.... it was a PAIN in the ass to unscrew all the nuts from the M-Lok barrel, took hammer, a nail, and 4 arms to hold it and being able to take it apart... i though i would damage the inlays for the tool with it.. and to put it back was a pain too. while hammering the middle section, hit o the threads for the outer nut and was almost impossible to put back in.

 

So after installing these, i literally got NO changes on the chrono neither FPS or JOULES change with these. i was expecting at least some 20-40 fps up due to the length of the barrel. but it looks like what i gain on length, i loose it on the bore of the barrel. since is a 6.05. i originally was looking for a 6.01 but was not able to find anyone anywhere. well there was some 6.01 but most are 250 or 370 something around that, but for me that was a Nope.

 

but yes, i had an ace under my sleeve...actually two

 

to Power up i decided to go with some options on  so called "high flow valves"

on your Left (red one just in case) you will find the G&P CNC Enhanced Nozzle Valve Set 5.0 and pay attention to the numbers since they change with the number. the higher the number the higher the power. but it still adaptable with this part

on your Right you will see the Dynamic Precision Enhanced Nozze Valve.

 

Now.

with the Dynamic Precision i felt a little bit happy since i see some hope to power up this thing

 

so with the Dynamic Precision Valve i went almost 100 fps up with .50 joules up.  and by the way this is with NO other Nozzle Enhanced part but the Dynamic Precision Enhanced Sealing Buffer which i find better quality than tm's original, also a bit tougher

 

 

for a DMR that previous reading was still weak for what i was looking for, but dont worry , remember i got 2 aces and this time went full hardcore with no measurements or holding on the go

 

I went with the G&P Nozzle and i have to tell you that i really was expecting, not  poor quality but at least mediocre from this coming from the G&P since is a mid level quality company and it actually leave me with my jaw drop to the ground. you will see why

 

but did not tried just the Nozzle, but went also with some upgrades for the Nozzle parts from Dynamic Precision...

 

A full set of Enhanced Nozzle Spring Sets

 

there is the Valve Spring, the Guide Spring, the Nozzle Return Spring

they feel really good quality and the return spring is some tighter from the original and that helps on the performance

 

installed the G&P Valve and used the Valve Stopper ( i will call this part like that since i forgot the real name) all the way from what i thought could be the max power set up... these valves comes with this so you can tune up on 3 different settings. Min- Mid- And Max power. 

 

and i got... this monstrosity

 

 

520 Fps with 0.20 at 2.52 Joules, and this is not the 1st reading,  i forgot to take a picture of the first shots. it was at 2.8 joules almost at 545 fps

 

this might be nothing compared other builds here that i know could be shooting higher and harder but for me was joy, i was astonish with the results

 

Sadly it was TOO HOT, i actually over pass my team and also marshals limits

 

then i decided to put it on the minimum settings, and i went down all the back like back with the TM stock valve.

forgot to take a picture of this, since i started to worry, it was getting late on the day and i was worry that the last resort. the MID section will not be either enough or will still by over passing the limits......

 

so dismount and put everything back with the MID section... and at this point i was so frustrated that i laterally was making plans to sell the gun with everything if it does not worked out ... almost like a rage quit when you loose those ranked matches at league of legends due to some troller's fault

 

so back to topic... my limits are 2.23 Joules - 490 FPS and then finally i was.... drums roll!!!

 

JUST ON FUC^%&(* point!!!!

 

i almost cried when i saw these!! nothing was in vain!! all those over time hours of receiving calls from Kumar Patel with a problem on his Outlook were worth it!!!!

 

Finally hit this mark and im really satisfied with these results. the readings were very consistent.

 

i have not decided with what weight i will play... thinking about some .36s or .40s depending on the results .

 

 

Additionally have some extra parts.

 

i went with the Angry Gun Hard Kick Recoil Buffer. and i got to tell you that yes there is a lot of difference on this. even tho its angry gun, it fits just fine!

 

 

and by the way that whitey creamy thing is PTFE Grease.... and yes you might be thinking i am a dumb already, but i have still not find out if the is good or not for it. i cleaned it out already... putted also some on the bolt carrier but i dont think is good there so cleaned out too....

can you tell me what you use to clean and lubricate yours?

 

so wrapping up i am very happy with this DMR/Assault build.... half way trough it. now moving o the externals

 

if you guys have any questions or would like me to post the part list that i used including the externals you see on the picture so far just let me know or reply to the post with your inquiry!

I also want to say thanks to all of those who have shared their finding, experiences and knowledge on this thread, they have been of great help,  hoping to make it bigger and better!! to all of you keep up with the good work !!

 

 

 

[Boristhedriver]

9 hours ago, itsme said:

@Boristhedriver Welcome brother, nice lookin' gun you got there! 

how does the noobtube work? 😛 

 

Its more for aesthetics but comes into its own during indoor cqb. Plus the ridiculous amount of front end weight is helping with my own exercise!

[peeved87]

On 01/02/2019 at 21:05, rocketdogbert said:

So........does anybody want me to build them a drum mag for their MWS/MTR?

Are these only achievable with an mtr mag? Definitely interested in the drum mag genius 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, peeved87 said:

Are these only achievable with an mtr mag? Definitely interested in the drum mag genius 

 

No, if you want one, any TM OEM MWS mag will work👍🏻

[bapexxx]

do you guys know where can I get some magazines? It seems out of stock everywhere!

[MJ88]

i ordered 2 mags about 2 and a half month ago from defcon airsoft , they said TM themselfs don’t have any

[Guest]

https://www.rainbow8.com/collections/marui-magazine/products/tokyo-marui-35rd-gas-magazine-for-m4a1-mws-gbb

 

https://www.rainbow8.com/products/prowin-31rd-aluminum-lightweight-magazine-for-marui-m4-mws-gbbr

 

https://www.rainbow8.com/products/tokyo-marui-20rd-gas-magazine-for-m4-mtr16-mws-cqbr-carbine-gbbr

 

 

 

[bapexxx]

1 hour ago, MJ88 said:

i ordered 2 mags about 2 and a half month ago from defcon airsoft , they said TM themselfs don’t have any

hmm. i will have a look.

 

1 hour ago, rocketdogbert said:

https://www.rainbow8.com/collections/marui-magazine/products/tokyo-marui-35rd-gas-magazine-for-m4a1-mws-gbb

 

https://www.rainbow8.com/products/prowin-31rd-aluminum-lightweight-magazine-for-marui-m4-mws-gbbr

 

https://www.rainbow8.com/products/tokyo-marui-20rd-gas-magazine-for-m4-mtr16-mws-cqbr-carbine-gbbr

 

 

 

yea i found this as well but they are from hong kong it will take a while for them to arrive... I will search around more and see if anyone is selling in the UK..

 

Thanks guys!

[Wo1f]

On 15/06/2019 at 17:47, LEGXGPF said:

Ok, So ORGA LEX05 BARREL (371mm, 6,05mm) or Prometheus EG Barrel 6.03mm L: 370mm is good choice? I know that you were very satisfied with orga. Its still true? Thank you so much.

Orga is good. I prefer the Prometheus now as it’s steel. Pretty sure the EG barrel is AEG only though? Do they make an mws one? Mine is an aeg one but it’s a machined one off.