Steptoe Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 is the site down? i need the registration form... Regards, steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted November 27, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 27, 2017 Yeah, it looks offline for me too. I'm pretty sure I have a blank form on my computer somewhere. I'll see if I can find it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 ok great stuff, thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted November 27, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 27, 2017 There you go mate. Players-Skirmish-Validation-Form[1].pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted November 27, 2017 Author Share Posted November 27, 2017 legend, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted November 27, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 27, 2017 Good work. Does it bother anyone else that UKARA appears to be run out of a bedroom in a faux-wood clad semi in Cowdenbeath? Just me? Who runs it[*]? To whom would I file a subject access request? Who owns the database? Is it backed up? Is it secure? What happens if the maintainer goes out of business, or rage-quits, or gets data-hijacked, or hit by a bus? Little bit bothered. [*] OK, the owner of Airsoft World. But it's hardly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted November 27, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 27, 2017 41 minutes ago, Rogerborg said: Does it bother anyone else that UKARA appears to be run out of a bedroom in a faux-wood clad semi in Cowdenbeath? Yes, it bothers me a lot too. Last time it was down for several months supposedly because the site had been hacked and they wanted to prevent the data from being stolen. The official response was that they were updating their server but it shouldn't have taken that long so I don't know if that holds any merit. Now it's offline again with no explanation that I can find and so soon after the "update". Honestly at this point I think it's easier to get a site membership than go through the UKARA system, especially for new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuff Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Rogerborg said: Good work. Does it bother anyone else that UKARA appears to be run out of a bedroom in a faux-wood clad semi in Cowdenbeath? Just me? Who runs it[*]? To whom would I file a subject access request? Who owns the database? Is it backed up? Is it secure? What happens if the maintainer goes out of business, or rage-quits, or gets data-hijacked, or hit by a bus? Little bit bothered. [*] OK, the owner of Airsoft World. But it's hardly obvious. Zero in gave them their old server..it'll be ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Jedi_Master Posted November 27, 2017 Head Moderator Share Posted November 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, Gepard said: Honestly at this point I think it's easier to get a site membership than go through the UKARA system, especially for new players. It is easier to get site membership, and you need to have that membership before getting onto the UKARA database. Unless I am missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Gepard Posted November 27, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jedi_Master said: It is easier to get site membership, and you need to have that membership before getting onto the UKARA database. Unless I am missing something? No, you're absolutely right. It seems like I need to read up about the system again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Just seems to me like they are suppose to be setting a regulation, however they are very informative and also seem to be unreliable. Is is there any other way to prove to a shop when buy weapons a defence? Would they accept a site membership over a ukara number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 53 minutes ago, Steptoe said: Just seems to me like they are suppose to be setting a regulation, however they are very informative and also seem to be unreliable. Is is there any other way to prove to a shop when buy weapons a defence? Would they accept a site membership over a ukara number? It would depend on the shop - site membership would comply with VCRA legislation Contact the shop you are considering buying from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Prisce Posted November 28, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 28, 2017 Not sure if this will help but the UKARA site may be run by Landwarrior as rogerborg said, but I know of at least 2 other site owners who are admins to the database so can add/edit what needs to be done. Dont forget UKARA isn't a profit making organisation, they don't charge for checking members or anything else, so I'd cut them some slack. This being said, since it's been "updated" it's been working like its powered by an asthmatic hamster in a wheel. Hopefully we will get a reason as to its poor performance before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators djben9 Posted November 28, 2017 Moderators Share Posted November 28, 2017 I thought Firesupport had something to do with it, or is it head if the East cartel ??!! Anyway I renewed mine at weekend so let’s see what happens..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlord Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 They don't charge players because it's a Retailer system funded by Retailers, for the benefit of Retailers. There is no slack needed. If it were to benefit players properly it would be funded by sites and operated independently of retailers and would be called something sensible like the British Arisoft Club... oh wait A better solution would be to offer sites a player management system where players could book in and pay and automatically register their games regardless of site they play at. Then sites just have an incentive to feed data into a central register because it also provides them with a booking system that means one time data entry. After all a defence is demonstration that you're a skirmisher, not that you're registered with UKARA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted November 28, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Prisce said: Dont forget UKARA isn't a profit making organisation, United Kingdom airsoft retailers are though. It's their scheme, run for their benefit - they're the ones who are committing the offences, and they need the defence, not us. Granted we have an interest too, but at the end of the day, retailers want to sell to us and if UKARA ever does go titsup.com I imagine that retailers will be happy enough to accept any credible defence that we're prepared to offer them, knowing that if they don't, someone else will. Oh, wow. I've just realised. UKARA appears to be run by Airsoft World (same address). Airsoft World seem to accept a purchaser having https://www.just-cos.co.uk/ cosplayer insurance as their defence. Er, because theatrical? Well, that's really up to them. So if you want to bypass UKARA, you can pay £20 and then buy from the chap who runs UKARA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak2m4 Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 12 hours ago, snuff said: Zero in gave them their old server..it'll be ok Funny :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuff Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Mine was supposedly renewed recently but I have defence at a few sites so TBH as said above as long as you have defence your ok. UKARA is a superb idea mind especially the self-check which produced a reply e-mail confirming defence which I have used on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted November 28, 2017 Root Admin Share Posted November 28, 2017 The paper form is here by the way, OP: http://www.ukara.org.uk/Players-Skirmish-Validation-Form.pdf Attached version too in case the site goes down: Players-Skirmish-Validation-Form.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted November 28, 2017 Supporters Share Posted November 28, 2017 1 hour ago, snuff said: UKARA is a superb idea mind Sure, it's a pragmatic solution to a daft problem. I just don't want anything happening to it. 1 hour ago, snuff said: especially the self-check which produced a reply e-mail confirming defence which I have used on here. The what now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snuff Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rogerborg said: Sure, it's a pragmatic solution to a daft problem. I just don't want anything happening to it. The what now? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptoe Posted November 29, 2017 Author Share Posted November 29, 2017 I've been playing a while now tbh and already own RIF's just thought it was about time i actually sorted a UKARA number, but then when i go to try, the site was down and i couldn't obtain the form appreciate all the advice and comments, Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Site is back up, no issues my end, I actually went on it last night as well, no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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