Advice on CQB gun

[matas17]

So I'v got my A&K masada for open field maps and I need something more compact for indoor CQB games which my Masada doesn't fit in since it has bit too high FPS. So i was wondering any of you guys could give me an advice which gun would be best for CQB games?

 

Thank in advance.

[BrightCandle]

Personally I would choose either a close quarters M4 or more likely a sub machine gun. MP5, MP9 or UMP. The shorter barrel length really is an advantage when trying to clear doorways in close environments.

[Airsoft_Mr B]

What's your budget?

 

G&G MP5? Sportline versions for ~ £130 and Top Tech (full metal) ~ £250

http://www.proairsoftsupplies.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?WD=mp5&PN=tgm_mp5_a4_combat_machinesub_machine_gun%2ehtml#SID=37

http://www.zerooneairsoft.com/product_info.php?products_id=6090

 

KWA B&T MP9A3

http://www.landwarriorairsoft.com/airsoft-weapons-c38/gas-rifles-c48/b-t-mp9-a3-p264

 

Tokyo Marui MP7A1

http://www.landwarriorairsoft.com/airsoft-weapons-c38/gas-rifles-c48/mp7a1-gas-blowback-p743

[DEDSEC]

If you want to be like everyone else, get an M4 or an MP5. If you want to stand out from the usual same old M4 and MP5 that everyone has then get a bullpup gun? G&G F2000 or a Tokyo Marui High Cycle AUG.

[Lozart]

P90

SCAR-L CQC

 

M249 Para (yes, you can do this. I have)

 

Couple of pistols and shed load of mags.

 

G36K

HK 416

 

To be honest a lot of people will tell you that you have to have something short for CQB. Now, I'm not about to tell you that an M14 is fine (although I have seen it done and an M16) but anything as long as a standard M4 will be fine for CQB. It's not the size of your gun, it's how you use it (oo-er).

[matas17]

P90

SCAR-L CQC

 

M249 Para (yes, you can do this. I have)

 

Couple of pistols and shed load of mags.

 

G36K

HK 416

 

To be honest a lot of people will tell you that you have to have something short for CQB. Now, I'm not about to tell you that an M14 is fine (although I have seen it done and an M16) but anything as long as a standard M4 will be fine for CQB. It's not the size of your gun, it's how you use it (oo-er).

 

M249 in CQB game lol never seen that before

Just an excuse for owning more guns

Not really, iv only got my A&K masada and WE Hi-capa 5.1 Dragon. So CQB gun is kind of needed in my area since running with pistol isn't ideal.

[THE FNG]

+1 for Scar-CQC

I run a vfc scar-l cqc with an EGLM for cqb and it's great! Took a few games to get used to the weight of the launcher but it's awesome!

[Deek]

I used to love my Sig552 as it has a nice fold-able stock, making it a compact weapon, and the stock can be flipped out when you need more accuracy when needed.

 

P90 is an excellent weapon as well - being a bullpup it has a long barrel making it more accurate than most CQB weapons - only down side is the size of the mags.

 

I have a G&G F2000 now which is OK but seems a little bulky for CQB, so I tend to use my MC51 - again, collapsible stock so can be made nice and compact for CQB.

[Chock]

Depends on exactly what is going to be your typical CQB scenario to some extent, and not everything which follows with real firearms will be relevant to airsoft equivalents. As I'm sure you are aware, the MP5 (usually the very short MP5K with a fore grip) used to be the de facto standard for CQB weapons, which is why it was and - in many cases - is still used by so many elite forces, hostage rescue teams etc.

 

However, in its real form, the MP5's 9mm round does lack penetration against body armour, which has led some forces to switch to using - or at least supplementing team load outs - with weapons which fire ammunition more able to defeat kevlar etc. But of course with airsoft, the weapon type is largely only cosmetically different since they all fire the same 6mm BB at about 350fps, thus there is no real reason to forgo the compactness of the MP5 over something which in the realm of real firearms, would warrant consideration. That is unless you want to take this thinking further...

 

With CQB, the range is by definition of course very short, short enough to warrant a pistol, and in fact some airsoft CQB sites specify only being allowed to use pistols in confined spaces such as stairwells anyway. There are other advantages conferred by this of course, notably the fact that you can operate a pistol with one hand (either in fact, which is good for coming around corners both left handed and right handed), leaving the other free for using flashbangs, smoke grenades or indeed a torch which can more easily be manipulated and probably switched on and off quicker, which is good for light discipline too.

 

Of course you could go for both a pistol and a submachine gun, and if you did embrace the MP5K's compactness, then a believable pistol combination to use with that would be the FN Five Seven, since the Five Seven's 5.7mm round complements the 9mm ammo of the MP5 by virtue of the Five Seven's infamous ability to punch through kevlar armour. Again, this calibre is of course irrelevant for airsoft ammo, but it is a believable and thoughtful combination which would reflect the choice of many in the real world who might have to engage in CQB, not least because it has a 20 round mag as standard and a 30 round extended mag available too. The real thing has all the usual CQB features one might expect, concealed hammer, underslung rail, threaded for a suppressor, can be switched to left handed use for the mag release, etc.

 

Beyond these aspects, for a 'serious' airsofter, the fact that the Five Seven and the MP5 are both available in robust RIF form, means you can get some decent kit with that combination.

[jcheeseright]

MP7.

[Lozart]

Depends on exactly what is going to be your typical CQB scenario to some extent, and not everything which follows with real firearms will be relevant to airsoft equivalents. As I'm sure you are aware, the MP5 (usually the very short MP5K with a fore grip) used to be the de facto standard for CQB weapons, which is why it was and - in many cases - is still used by so many elite forces, hostage rescue teams etc.

 

However, in its real form, the MP5's 9mm round does lack penetration against body armour, which has led some forces to switch to using - or at least supplementing team load outs - with weapons which fire ammunition more able to defeat kevlar etc. But of course with airsoft, the weapon type is largely only cosmetically different since they all fire the same 6mm BB at about 350fps, thus there is no real reason to forgo the compactness of the MP5 over something which in the realm of real firearms, would warrant consideration. That is unless you want to take this thinking further...

 

With CQB, the range is by definition of course very short, short enough to warrant a pistol, and in fact some airsoft CQB sites specify only being allowed to use pistols in confined spaces such as stairwells anyway. There are other advantages conferred by this of course, notably the fact that you can operate a pistol with one hand (either in fact, which is good for coming around corners both left handed and right handed), leaving the other free for using flashbangs, smoke grenades or indeed a torch which can more easily be manipulated and probably switched on and off quicker, which is good for light discipline too.

 

Of course you could go for both a pistol and a submachine gun, and if you did embrace the MP5K's compactness, then a believable pistol combination to use with that would be the FN Five Seven, since the Five Seven's 5.7mm round complements the 9mm ammo of the MP5 by virtue of the Five Seven's infamous ability to punch through kevlar armour. Again, this calibre is of course irrelevant for airsoft ammo, but it is a believable and thoughtful combination which would reflect the choice of many in the real world who might have to engage in CQB, not least because it has a 20 round mag as standard and a 30 round extended mag available too. The real thing has all the usual CQB features one might expect, concealed hammer, underslung rail, threaded for a suppressor, can be switched to left handed use for the mag release, etc.

 

Beyond these aspects, for a 'serious' airsofter, the fact that the Five Seven and the MP5 are both available in robust RIF form, means you can get some decent kit with that combination.

 

Surely by that train of thought you should be looking at a FiveSeven and a P90?

[Chock]

Yeah, maybe so. Just trying to throw some suggestions into the mix

[Spatch]

Real sword type 97B, only cqb weapon you'll ever need

[Lozart]

Yeah, maybe so. Just trying to throw some suggestions into the mix

 

It's OK, just a bit of lighthearted ribbing

 

Personally I've yet to find a SCAR with a tracer on to be too long to use in CQB so I don't entirely subscribe to the whole "must have short gun for indoors" idea.

 

I still want an MP5 SD6, an MP5K and a P90 but more cos I think they're cool....

[THE FNG]

FN 5-7's are great pistols to run. I've got 2 marui 5-7's and they are the best pistols I've owned. They hit awesome ranges for pistols and they look pretty smexy!

Will also vouch for p90's. I used to run one as my backup before I got into cqb and it was incredible for corners and tight spaces....and they look cooooooooool!

[JB72510]

P90s are niceee

[BrightCandle]

I do (did haven't been CQBing in a few months) quite a bit of CQB in Bunker 51 and I found the M4 carbine too long. I only really noticed it when entering into a room and clearing it and occasionally when pieing a doorway while in a narrow space. There have certainly been times where I have seen the guy with the P90 manage to do a pieing that I myself couldn't do. You can do CQB with a sniper rifle (FPS permitting) but that doesn't mean its a good gun to do it with. The specialist CQB guns are better because of how much shorter and lighter they are, it does make a difference. You don't need it obviously, it really depends on how CQB focussed you want to get with a loadout. But if you know its a CQB gun you want then really you ought to focus on the guns that in the real world are good for that.

 

You might also find a bullpup design rifle will work. A Tar 21, L85 or F2000 for example are all short assault rifles that often are no longer from shoulder to end of barrel than an SMG but use M4 magazines and have the accuracy of the longer guns at range but in a short snug package. They are heavier than an SMG usually and they also tend to have less standard parts internally (less upgradable) but they also look pretty cool and it is in many ways a good compromise for getting a gun that can do it all in one package.