Sitting Duck

yeah was looking at that cheap 508 sort of 416 type M4 since them bastids shoved up the price of Dboys 416 from 165 to 180 Euro only thing holding me back was cyma M4's are not thought as highly as their AK's Then GF have the 416 BI-8001 on offer now which is about £125 - crap crane stock but would change it to stubby yeah spring change which is free at both places now - I would change it when tweaking aoe etc but gotta resist buying more stuff

very much doubt a household 9v battery would work plus it might be too high for motor in there maybe something like the stock battery used in cyma glock pistol might be an idea or speak to a RC battery place like www.componentshop.co.uk - they must have something to go in there

This thread will never die..... People will always buy from there first and regret it, like most of us did by then it is too late to read this thread - you got scammed.... BUT - if you discover this thread then you will soon take a little comfort that you are not the only one to be tucked up JBBG must spend ££££ on Google Adwords - coz they always come up top when looking for airsoft or bb guns Hence so many newcomers get swept along and accept that this guy knows his stuff (Bull$hit deffo but Airsoft hmmmmmmm.....) if there was a Lidl or KwikSave in airsoft - it would be based in Twickenham Hopefully people learn quickly and just buy from these clowns once or twice think JBBG know this too and can't mug ya over & over again - but by then it won't matter another sucker stumbles across these "pro's" in their search engine,,,,,, The saying "one born every minute" comes to mind and so it continues - just like this thread

99.9999999999999999% sure it is a cheaper budget oem cyma with a few more corners cut off Gunfire been selling them for ages (and cheaper) as the brand Spartac in this case SRT-13 = cheap cyma 028c SRT-08 is a cheap cyma 028a plastic charging handle & battery/top cover bear in mind that TWG were doing the proper 28 cyma's much cheaper in summer in which case there was not a great saving over cheap spartac/cyma 5xx coz to replace a few cheap plastic bits would cost you what you had saved now things at TWG are not so cheap but these cheaper or oem cyma's have been around a while and cheaper and be bought for about £60 delivered well it was 68:44 Euros - have to buy a bolt or something else to get free ship on 69 Euro+ (say 70 Euro + another 2:50 paypal fee = 72:50 del or about £57 but offer ended now)

dabbled with picaxe but not got into arduino or others though they do $hitloads of stuff (only real limit is ya imagination I guess) - nice one Chock & A47 - looks so much more like it now - better than the baby blue & yeah just tell 'em "this is my secondary" - my primary is still in that transit van

kick me but not my gun..... (we can get very protective over our guns/cars etc...) not put many pics up of my collection - most of it very standard looking so little to look at but most of us love our guns and bought/kept them coz we like them. (most of mine are quite boringly standard atm but guess that is me - boring ) Most of these guns on here are absolutely fecking dipping amazing chaps, maybe one or two might not be my cuppa tea but still kudos to all of ya with so many really taking such care & attention to detail thanks to all of ya as I have some possible great ideas to emulate if/when I get round to pimping up a couple

Got one of them but really really really don't spend a penny on it it can only really be used for indoor cqb as with .2's it will only hit up to 75ft @ 240fps sure you can use lighter .12g bb's but though your fps will hit say 300 them bb's will be anywhere but on target with a slight "fart" of wind even if them lighter bb's hit target at 100ft I doubt if people would call it The receiver or shell is in 2 halves - the flash hider is glued on - even if you manage to open her up ok it is not designed to be taken apart again and again and again as cheap small screws will strip you can use slightly thicker screws at a push - but again this gun is not designed to be pulled apart too much The "kind of" v2 gearbox is all plastic clear casing using plastic gears with a motor that has little grunt in it pulling back say a M70 spring any upgrades like a M100 spring may strip the plastic gears If you shove a bigger voltage battery on there above 8.6v you will quickly smash hell out of gearbox (youtube a plastic box Vs 11.1v lipo - very quickly bits just snap/fly off) you might be able to fit a proper metal gearbox and motor in there but the pistol grip is part of the 2 halves plasting casting so would have to fit a proper pistol grip to metal box then carefully cut away the grip cast into receiver halves (a bit of messing around and still could be full of other headaches so really only for bored clever techy's out there with time on their hands) A g36 or AK might be easier coz it would fit a proper v3 gearbox with frame for motor but your/my gun won't accept a proper pistol grip without more work like above.... soz for ott but really really not worth it........ you "could" scrape by at a cqb site or use for back garden plinking (as long as garden isn't too long ) (you could also enter the tour de france on a single speed kiddy bike but would be hard work) probably bought a shop with "BB" in their name but it is ok for what it is - a very basic cheap low power bb gun which is bought as a first gun by unknowing peeps to test the water so to speak Alas you need to spend say a min of £100 and carefully to get a semi-decent AEG to take to a skirmish site (there are a few just £100 under but in general they probably won't be as good as the ones in the next price bracket) Oh and if you try to use most other M4 mags in there it will be very tight fit indeed - that is mildly put but a bang they will go in It ain't a complete pile of pooh - buy a 2/3rd replica with AAA batteries - now that is pi$$ poor performance (got one of those a few years back and put me off airsoft it was so crap) the B500A1 was better and got me interested but I soon learned it was way below par out in the field Yes you will get laughed at from others with £500 guns and pistols that cost twice as much as your gun but sooner or later their guns crap out on them too so you may get a rare chance to smile if yours is still going use it until it breaks but don't spend a penny on it - save up for the next level of guns and you won't look back

Yup - chubby the liar ain't getting no more money out of me though they were alright for me BAW's .20's atm seem good all rounders - but these could be any other make for all I know a make that works for you may not always work so well for others/guns/barrels etc.... plus some makes could better/worse on different weights & batches depending on what you get/use Stick to main brands from good retailers or see what your site sells is best advice if they sold $hit bb's that were pi$$ poor and jammed then peeps would soon moan about it or give them hell

apologies FS are Peterborough way I'm sure they (ICS) will be fine for OP - said either would be fine though Lord Metile has had a bit of grief with his ICS M4 mine are still going may not always grab it as main aeg but is there as a fall back/spare in fact I think the rof is slightly higher stock than most G&G's (could be gears or most likely ICS stock motor is quicker)

They also sell G&G's but FireSupport are about the best for ICS stuff no question lucky they are your local shop too... Either make will do - just saying like a "non-mainstream" or some imported cars the owner may not be able to get parts easily from local halfords or local spares shop and have to keep going to a certified main dealer to get these bespoke bits n pieces ICS are very nice - (so is another make) but just giving you the full picture that was all

TaiwanGun "used" to be brilliant my first orders at Gunfire & TaiwanGun - TaiwanGun arrived much quicker as GF was doing a stock check/new warehouse last year However - as of August last year TW or TWG no longer offered free shipping unless you spent 300 Euros OK not a big deal but from about November have noticed stuff I was looking at in my basket slowly creeping up & up The last pi$$ take was about a week/10 days ago when I saw something on my wishlist/basket jump 165 to 180 Euro ffs !!!! yet they had the nerve to go on about a -15% reduction bollox How the heck does a 10% increase amount to a 15% reduction - even though they had 16% reduction on most of there prices for ages ??? Don't get me wrong - Gunfire are not perfect either but had a problem with GF (bound to coz haven't bought from TWG since Sept) Gunfire tried to resolve but refunded me without fuss in full very very quickly Gunfire is probably a victim of its own success - stuff flies out of stock very quickly damn it, but still offer free ship on 69 Euro orders Dunno why TWG have done this crafty price increase on top of recent shipping policy change, plus no longer doing loyalty points since early last year Free spring change - think they failed to carry this out for a member on here and GF now offer this too. I still check TWG but seems like they can't quite offer the value for money or compete so closely with GF which is a real shame not 8itching (well not too much), but just speaking as I find - TWG are still ok but just not as good as they used to be

I bought crap JBBG first then SRC + ICS M4's - great improvement for getting ukara BUT bought G&G M4 rif's and not looked back G&G M4's are easier to source parts & maintain & tweak if they need attention (ics are really nice - most come with 2 mags but G&G really are a better M4 to maintain)

get a helmet then might not look so cool n barebones but f*ck how I look I like my teeth where they are protected by a full face mask and my head unscathed - times I bashed/scraped my way through bush/branches banged it on low bits of timber/walls not to mention feeling the odd crack from headshots & calling myself out pit helmet or better looking fast helmet is what many wear - oops soz saw you getting fast helmet masks are down to what fits & if you wear glasses/contacts for playing

OK - final thoughts on this matter...... you already have some aeg's, presume you are the age to purchase them yourself and looking to get another RIF or your first RIF if others are IF's (dunno how you came to own them if they are RIF's) it is not a big deal to skirmish a few times and keep ya hand in playing now n then (some say back yard target shooting but targets don't shoot back and means jack if you are good at targets) heck I hate having to renew my driving license, amongst other stuff that I never had to do or pay for renewals but that is just the way it goes

if that is correct then it was your fault coz you could/should have declared it by not doing so or not informing people YOU created the problem that could have been avoided alas if you failed to learn from that experience then I doubt if you ever will

uhm isn't what you are suggesting SMUGGLING ??? so in effect you would be in deeper $hit if caught ??? not having a go but what you are asking is a way round to dodge the regulations and further more sneakily hiding or smuggling a RIF into UK but at same time asking if that could be deemed legal ??? even if we all said it would be fine - which it ain't no customs/judge is gonna think that would be legit good luck if you get caught much easier to get ukara we may not all 101% agree with vcra but we abide by the rather easy & simple steps that way we can continue to enjoy playing with our toy guns it "may" seem bollox but what rules and regulations are perfect fact is we abide by it and by doing so we can continue Go to Australia - it is still banned there to the best of my knowledge now that is bollox but thankfully we ain't down under Aussies can't even get a 2-tone to repaint ffs

I knew it - see it always causes this - UKARA - must have been set up by a woman (they always cause blokes to row) think nobody should be allowed to type the letters U K A R A with fully reading vcra 10 times (that would exclude nigh on all of us)

Go - on then put me down for one heck make that two - one front & one on back for when my dumb a$$ team shoot me (yeah I know sometimes I deserve it) serious - you got 2 orders from moi if you get them off ground some people may find it a little offensive perhaps - well yeah we are attacking this round ffs but if they really find it offensive reading the patch on front - I will point them to the other one at the back Would be a sure fire way of all meeting up at NAE - easy to identify AF-UK miserable old farts (though don't think Dev will be sending these out to all - only grumpy bastids can apply)

Silly daft question - are you 18 & ukara ??? if not then perhaps go easy if 1st gun & 2-tone req but its up to you - if spending that much on first gun then £100 goes quickly if buying goodies mags, batteries, boots, eye protection, some basic old clobber to wear very little room for say secondary if req or a possible cheap spare - though not a must heck - you may find it ain't for you or not quite addictive as you first thought (doubt it though) but its completely up to owner what they do & buy with their money

not splitting hairs - so please don't flame me OP said need license to own RIF - not if gifted you could say but yup to import like OP is thinking uhm yes is the general correct answer - get ukara Bloomin' hate these ukara related posts coz most people know the answer and often there are a few grey areas that can been seen as a little unclear or may not fully apply to the usual regulations, causing differences in general and for ease of everything - get UKARA it is best license you will never own soz in advance and if I have got wrong yet again then light me up

politely - if possible if a discussion is starting to get little heated, always best to pm your feelings rather than 8itch and have ego's dented etc..... and say cheers for them taking time to message/reply to you (unless you are calling each every name under sun then that is fine coz ya both already rude)

yeah mine is 350 - end of if marshall sees just - and I mean just over say 352-353 - nope I can't allow it if chrono shows over 350 (said about adjust hop to squeeze it under but gave up on hot crappy dragon) G36c screw though - well it seemed to be hit n miss when I tried it - if it was doing much at all but if just a teensy bit over then peeps could try leaving gun cocked overnight if that failed to "bed in" the spring then if it still was a tiny tiny bit over then correct AOE with sorbo that should lose a touch more (and be running better) if still no joy or if it was way over then spring change would be needed Only mentioned it coz it was supposed to help tweak fps a little but found it did next to FA for me (in fact it seemed to go up slightly whatever way I turned it - didn't crank it too much but 1 turn clock & then 2 turns counter clock made FA) getting a warm gun don't bother me too much as most could do with a check/tweak - though in my case check/break/damn it

yeah basically what has been said - it "could" get seized and you have little argument if no defense whatever people may think of UKARA it does simplify buying RIF's like in this matter there is no real license as such - just you on a database of saddo's that play with toy guns (in a figure of speech - no offense to rest of us)

strongly advise getting UKARA for this then it won't be seized by customs etc.... There are other forms of defense but in general UKARA is a straight forward way of checking by retailers ( UK EU US & others ) They know each countries regulations and most are not willing to dodge or attempt to dodge them rules etc.... So to avoid it being seized by authorities and/or sale being cancelled I'd say just get UKARA like the rest of us

http://www.taiwangun.com/en/608-jg?from=listing&campaign-id=19 6th pic along shows folded stock - allen key tweak spring guide yeah well made next to no difference when I tried it on a 365/370fps one (back in box - another one to look at - damn list is getting long now)