Rogerborg

Flogging side-door cosmetic rejects is a chancer's game, but the key issue is whether SIG will honour the warranty on them. If it works as intended, and will get fixed if it breaks, it's most of the way there.

I feel personally wound up. Yes, it's an offence. But it's not manufacture. It's modification, which is listed as a clear and explicit and unambiguous offence in its own right. 36 Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms (1) A person is guilty of an offence if— (a) he manufactures a realistic imitation firearm; (b) he modifies an imitation firearm so that it becomes a realistic imitation firearm; https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/38/section/36

Prompted by the tabletop gaming thread, there are even people who throw a tantrum when a dice roll goes wrong while they're playing with model soldiers. One notable contrast is with steel weapon combat sports (reenactment, HEMA) where it's very quickly and absolutely unambiguous who's able to keep their head, and who's inclined to go full spinny-choppy as soon as the adrenaline kicks in.

For what purpose?

Hi Garett, where abouts are you, and are you looking to find a site to play at?

I don't have a problem with him posting a fantasy ad, I just find it genuinely tragic that either one of two things will happen. He'll hold out for that much forever, snarling "I know what it's worth, all day long". or Some mug actually does pay that asking price.

That's leaning further left than Jeremy Corbyn going into Beckett's Hairpin.

Hmm, SIG seems to have somewhat of a complex history. Did they get back to you after you reported this huckster? Did you ask if the serial numbers are genuine? Some images of the differences between the rejects and the blessed example might be handy to illustrate the issue.

Oh dear. £150 worth of Firehawk with an unknown red dot, battery and burn-your-house-down charger. £130 of Hi-Capa T-Rex, presumably WE. £175 of Hi-Capa extended magazines, brand unknown, condition unknown. =£455 brand new, all available in stock from PatrolBase today. Random pile of holsters, BB, gas, mesh and dress up. All for the bargain price of £550, take it all or leave it. "would like to sell it all in one go" I'm sure you would, but you won't, not at new+ prices for "as new", and before the inevitable "oh yeah m8 fees and postage and that". I think these adverts make me the saddest of all.

Huh, I guess mine could have been happenstance then. Few stocks in stock, sadly. 30 out of the 50 stocks at PatrolBase, for example, aren't.

Collection assumed, hasn't though about postage. Hasn't even thought about fees beyond "etc". Listing two RIFs in one advert is more work than listing them separately, once you factor in that if/when you sell one then you'll have to update the ad or keep telling folk "no m8 its gone m8". He doesn't want to sell them.

Bear in mind this is a hobby peopled by mugs who would rather pay a premium for fragile pot metal over robust plastic, beecuz reel steal. Have you had anything assault-toy shaped in them? I had an M4 stock rejected for shipment out of Chinaland, although that may just have been happenstance.

Did VAT get added on? My vague understanding is that if it's under £135 then the seller has[*] to calculate and charge VAT and fork it over to HMRC, while at £135 and above they can say "That's your problem, best of luck". [*] I say "has" to, but printing "VAT paid" on the label is not the same as paying VAT, and I rather wonder whether much or any of the VAT we're now paying on Ali Express is ever making it out of Chinaland.

No, they have retail shops that provide table space for playing their games as well as tournaments and even painting competitions (they flog super expensive paints and brushes as well). It's a smart move, especially with the competition from those vidjya games the kids are into these days. I should stress this is a 1990s anecdote, when some shops were still run by sweaty neckbeards who'd let you get away with shenanigans like no-mini setups (I was at least clutching and citing a purchased rulebook). No chance these days, they have a "no sweaty neckbeard" policy, and their only goal is to flog starter sets and get people hooked on the plastic crack. Fun aside, Henry Cavill (Superman) is a massive GW nerd. He can probably just about afford it as well. https://www.instagram.com/p/B-39B5ShMWw/ Oh, please bear in mind that there are plenty of other systems and settings available (and you can play them for a lot less), it's just that Games Workshop are so dominant in the hobby now. [UPDATE] Dammit, you've got me looking at the Glasgow and District Neckbeard Society now, I might drop by on Sunday and hang out with the other geezers.

Urgh, yes, one thing that always bugged me about GW run tournaments and games was that their policy seemed to be to approve, encourage and reward cheesy exploits, on the basis that "Well, there's no rule against it... yet". Every exploit is clever and funny (for everyone but their opponent) the first time someone spots and abuses it, but then word gets out and it just becomes a case of finding the exploit to the exploit, or waiting for GW to errata/addenda it away. One version of 40K (briefly) had off-table artillery and no limit on how much of it Guard forces could use, so again I did a no-model setup, said "Now find my hidden Vindicare spotters" and let the off-table Basilisks and Whirlwinds put his minis back in the box while he railed (quite rightly) "But there's literally no way for me to win and you didn't even bring an army!" Utterly abusive, but "there's no rule against it." Decent clubs, referees and opponents will adopt the airsoft ethos of "don't be a dick", but that never seemed to be the case with GW, which is one of the reasons why I just dropped it.

There are all sorts of systems available with varying complexities in just about any setting (fantasy, historical, science fiction, naval, aircraft, spaceships) and scales from pub punch-ups to Waterloo. The best systems let you concentrate on actual tactics and putting yourself in the position of a commander, while Games Workshop stuff is much more about meta-gaming to exploit an ever changing set of special rules and trick units, then setting up and rolling huge handfuls of dice without much by the way of actual decisions or tactics once you're playing. You can play at home, the problem these days is finding folk near you to play with who are interested in the same settings and systems as you. That's where Games Workshop shines, they have retail shops and run tournaments where you can use the hugely expensive models that they sold you, and God help you if you try and bring anything else. You could jump on... urgh... Facebook and see if there are any Localtown wargaming / tabletop clubs. True that, I once reduced a grown man to tears in a tournament by exploiting the hell out of Epic with a force composed entirely of cheap Scout Marine companies and Thunderhawk dropships (part played by de-bladed Micro Machines Apache helicopters from the local toy shop). He deploys. My whole army is off table. Turn 1, Thunderhawks drop from orbit to any point on table, and deploy swarms of Scouts directly into close combat with his expensive Titans and super-heavies. Then comes the Epic cheese of "Titan stomps on Scouts, next stand is +3, Titan stomps on Scouts, next stand is +6, Titan stomp on Scouts, next stand is +9, wins, reactor hit, boom." Rinse and repeat until by the end of turn 1 he's lost all his big stuff, and he's trembling and choking up and saying "But all you're doing is trading your cheap units for my expensive ones!" Life is hell in the grimdark, chap.

Cosplay, do it, do it, doooo iiiiiiit. That's the thing, I love LARPing in my pretend space soldier gear, but haven't otherwise engaged in the hobby for decades.

£30 and up now for some single models. Utterly bonkers. And the resale value of your armies might be close to zero, as it really does seem like GW have a policy of "if it's not the latest version, from the latest Codex, don't bring it to a tournament or shop". Heck, last time I played 40K it was with a box of knock off "Space Rangers" which cost a whopping £10 for a box of 50 at the time. I hit them with a rattle can of white gloss, an ink wash, and a few licks of gunmetal, and was good to go. Now I think GW would take out a restraining order if I brought them within 2 miles of a store. https://em4miniatures.com/products/space-rangers?variant=31784032698486

Good, I'd like to see a lot more of this happening. I mean, I wish it didn't have to, but when it does, site owners should mean everything that they say regarding rules and consequences. We can all make mistakes, and get a bit of red mist on at times. But there are a very small number of excitable spunktrumpets who are incapable of or unwilling to play by the same rules and with the same good humour and restraint as everyone else, and ultimately the only way to deal with them is to make them some other hobby's problem.

Then can you talk to them directly about playing there? Who knows, maybe it'll spark some insurrection among the downtrodden masses.

I'm always surprised if we still have a mostly full site at 4pm on a Sunday. It's one reason why I've put off going to a mil/film-sim because I'd expect it to dribble to a denuded end, or to see mass packing-in the moment the rain starts. I do feel compelled to wonder why you'd want to go back to a site run by a nobber. Well, now you know he's a petulant nobber as well, so that's another reason to find somewhere, anywhere, else to play.

Nice one, let's have a look at that Modify... Well that's some big talk, I wonder how they back it up. <shut-up-and-take-my-money.png> Interesting that they've gone with a 6.1mm widebore instead of a tightbore. I wonder what sort of spring has been put in it and what energy you'll see.

I fear you're going to find that when you get to the delivery stage that they say "lol jk m8" and refuse to send it. You think they'd be up front about, especially if you've selected £GBP and already have a UK address registered with them, but they seem to like leaving it right to the end of the order. Could be wrong, they may have changed their mind again, but there's only one way to find out. Personally I wouldn't risk it now anyway, there seem to be far too many jobsworths involved at the moment.

They have historically been pretty good, this just does seem to be about the almost guaranteed impossibility of it making it across the Channel twice more. It's a pickle, and always a hazard when buying fragile toys from abroad, but at the end of the day, they're a commercial retailer and the responsibility to eat the cost lies with them, not the customer.

To be grudgingly fair, he does claim that the mags are OK and it's just the gun itself that's defective, and has included fees and postage, which is always nice. To be more fair though, you can get a new, warrantied Army Armament R17 and a 2nd mag delivered to your door for less than that.