Second hand aeg

[Sampor27]

Recently come across 2 AEGs second hand. But both look equally good but with different specs. So I’m wondering if anybody can tell me which is better value for money. 
 

first one is a CYMA Daniel Defense mk18 (£400) with
-6x 150rnd mid-cap mags 
-LIPO safe bag
-Nurpol LIPO charger 
-PTS stock for more battery space
-mock suppressor (original flash hider included)
-mock peq box
-angled foregrip
-victor optics red dot 

-GATE TITAN MOSFET
-Prometheus Air seal chamber Hop-up Bucking Soft Type (replaced with a maple leaf 60)
-Prometheus Flat Tensioner (replaced with maple leaf)
-ZCI High Precision 6.02mm Stainless Steel Inner Barrel
-Guarder AEG Spring
-SHS Aluminium Air Seal Nozzle
-SHS 14.5 Full Steel Teeth Piston
-Airlab Sorbothane Pad
-SHS High Torque Motor
-SHS Double O-Ring Aluminium AEG Cylinder Head
-SHS Gearbox Shim Set
-SHS Polymer Vented Piston Head
-SHS Stainless Steel Airsoft Gearbox Bearings
-SHS High Speed Gear set (13:1)

 

and second a g&g seekins (£300) upgraded with Brand New Perun V2 Hybrid Mosfet
XT 6.02mm Tightbore Barrel
Maple Leaf MRHop 60° Bucking 
Red Omega Nub
ZCI Rotary Hop Unit

Reinforced 16:1 gear set 

flat blade aluminum speed trigger 

aluminum piston head 

Full metal rack piston 

 

Any advise would be appreciated, thanks.

 

also for context I play on an outdoor feild, woodland pitch.  

[Galvatron]

I would argue "better value for money" comes from what you as an individual get out of it rather than there being objective factors. I find value in my loadout but I know some people would hate it for themselves.

 

As much as I prefer the Mk 18, I'd spend my money on something brand new and work on it later. Custom guns are notorious for being a gamble and thus they tend to depreciate significantly unless the seller/tech has a good reputation.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 14:06 by Galvatron

[Adolf Hamster]

When it comes to modded guns second hand, it's less about what parts it has, and more the quality of the workmanship.

 

And unless they're name-dropping a tech that can be a gamble. You might get a well dialled machine that runs well, or a cobbled together mess that's going to struggle to make it through the first game without eating something important.

 

If you cant see the gun shoot, hear how it sounds, then you're basically going off the value of the parts (at least the big ticket items) and the externals, the latter of which are unfortunately no indication of how healthy the internals are.

 

It's why i advocate people learning their own teching, because at least you can have some confidence in being able to sort out any installation issues yourself.

[Sampor27]

The CYMA has been upgraded by DCA (Dave’s custom airsoft) a local tech to me that’s 100% professional. Not sure about the seekins. The only thing with the CYMA is that it has a tendency apparently to switch back to semi auto on auto. Possible loose selector plate.

[GiantKiwi]

1 hour ago, Sampor27 said:

The CYMA has been upgraded by DCA (Dave’s custom airsoft) a local tech to me that’s 100% professional. Not sure about the seekins. The only thing with the CYMA is that it has a tendency apparently to switch back to semi auto on auto. Possible loose selector plate.

 

That's nice and easy, get the other one thats not 'upgraded' by DCA, as you'll be being passed the insane markup he does for something that is almost certainly not as high of a value as its listed at..

Edited Sunday at 11:52 by GiantKiwi

[ButcherBill]

2 hours ago, Adolf Hamster said:

It's why i advocate people learning their own teching, because at least you can have some confidence in being able to sort out any installation issues yourself.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, the only issues I've had with any second hand rif is when someone's tried their own teching.

Mostly little things that just weren't done right...

 

Scar-H GBBR nozzle pin incorrectly inserted causing damage

SVU safety inserted wrong way round & screws missing from bi-pod

Honey Badger main spring changed at some point & the plate holding it in was a goosed bit of metal & selector plate missing

HK416 with a wobbly rail due to barrel nut cross threaded so wouldn't tighten

AK47 under folder motor incorrectly fitted causing a goosed gearbox

 

numerous loose screws that simply needed a wee tighten.

 

Thankfully not many issues that even an airsoft imbecile like me could identify & fix or replace the parts but obvious enough to tell what they did wrong.

Edited Sunday at 10:59 by ButcherBill

[Anonymoose]

Considering you've got a good budget for a gun, why not just buy a new one that hasn't been messed with?

[Rogerborg]

1 hour ago, Sampor27 said:

The CYMA has been upgraded by DCA (Dave’s custom airsoft) a local tech to me that’s 100% professional. 

 

He sure does put a high value on his time, but I'd consider it an anti-recommendation that a gun has been through his hands.

 

The thread basically ended with @Adolf Hamster's post. If you have to ask, then don't buy 2nd hand. It's a big risk, and you're not exactly getting bargains there, given that fire control systems are now becoming the default on new guns at less than those prices.

[Sampor27]

What new AEG would you recommend? For around the same price range.

[Adolf Hamster]

2 hours ago, ButcherBill said:

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, the only issues I've had with any second hand rif is when someone's tried their own teching.

Mostly little things that just weren't done right

 

That's pretty much the point i was trying to get at. A secondhand modded pew could have been worked on by someone with no experience, or someone with a lot of experience, if you do it yourself you at least get the benefit of knowing which of those 2 things happened. the walk of shame with a broken pew is still on the cards but at least it'll be your own shame.

[Anonymoose]

31 minutes ago, Sampor27 said:

What new AEG would you recommend? For around the same price range.

 

What are you looking for specifically? Range? Accuracy? AR platform?

[Speedbird_666]

I wouldn't touch either RIF with a barge pole. 

 

Or any 'upgraded' 2nd hand gun. 

 

Or pretty much any 2nd hand gun come to think of it. 

 

Watch enough of Negative Airsoft's videos - you'll see why.

 

1 hour ago, Rogerborg said:

If you have to ask, then don't buy 2nd hand.

 

This. 

 

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[TheFull9]

In 95% of cases the word upgraded should be regarded as if your wife said it, i.e. it doesn't actually mean what it's supposed to mean or what you think it means.

 

It's not generally any individuals' fault, I personally blame retailers for mis-labelling their spare parts section as their 'upgrade' section.

[Tackle]

@Sampor27, while I don't have a problem with buying secondhand, upgrades, especially if they're not needed, would make me run a mile.

For further context, where did you see them advertised ?, have you got links ?, because for me, looking at the seller can be as important as whats written in the ad, feedback, postcount, quality of posts etc, will tell me if the seller is trustworthy & knowledgeable.

 

For example, if I look at a gun for sale that's been "upgraded", & then I look at the sellers posts & one mentions "using .30's will burn out your mosfet" 🤪, I won't exactly be inspired to reach for my wallet 😏

[Mik3F]

3 hours ago, Speedbird_666 said:

I wouldn't touch either RIF with a barge pole. 

 

Or any 'upgraded' 2nd hand gun. 

 

Or pretty much any 2nd hand gun come to think of it. 

 

Watch enough of Negative Airsoft's videos - you'll see why.

 

 

This. 

 

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Not all 2nd hand guns are bad investments though.

 

Ive bought 3 guns from the classified here and all have been absolutley fine

 

[Jez_Armstrong]

3 hours ago, Speedbird_666 said:

 

 

Watch enough of Negative Airsoft's videos - you'll see why.

 

This is mostly aimed at airsofters who can't be trusted with their own shoelaces, which granted is 90%

 

Bit not everyone is a numpty and not everyone sells broken, lied about second hand guns 

[Cannonfodder]

I wouldn't buy a second hand gun without seeing it working first unless I know the seller, especially so if it's "FuLlY UgRaDeD" by an unnamed person.

[ButcherBill]

Common sense should apply here, I've bought 77 rif's second hand from here with relitively few issues (as above), admittedly most are wall hangers but they all work apart from a few boneyards that I knew had issues, I have 5 rifs in my collection that I've listed as faulty but I'm pretty sure they were all sold as boneyard, the ones I fixed were sold as working( I think). I have a couple that I remember thinking they were metal bodied & they turned out to be 'sportline' but the only rif I regret buying was brand new & not to scale so it's never seen the light of day (we don't talk about the blue one's).

 

If in doubt... don't buy,

if disapointed or feel scammed there's always the paypal claim process (honest sellers have nothing to fear).

 

On a possitive note, I'll have more weekends off soon and have already started preparing myself & collection for potential game days, even second hand purchases from the classifieds.

Edited Sunday at 17:31 by ButcherBill

[Jez_Armstrong]

14 hours ago, Cannonfodder said:

I wouldn't buy a second hand gun without seeing it working first unless I know the seller, especially so if it's "FuLlY UgRaDeD" by an unnamed person.

Yeah that's you, I would buy it because I know how to fix stuff, but personally, of the 800+ second hand guns I've purchased over 20 years, I can't think of a single issue I've had with a second hand sale, maybe one less mag or an optic wasn't included when there is a photo of one but it wasn't in the description is the most I can think of but the horror stories that pop up, like I say, 800+ second hand sales purchased, can't think of an issue 

[Rogerborg]

20 hours ago, Mik3F said:

Ive bought 3 guns from the classified here and all have been absolutley fine

 

If you're paying 60-70% of new for an unmeddled with example, go for it. That's a rational risk.  Paying a premium for someone else's time to put in parts that may or may not work together (or even be present as promised), that's a bit different.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Jez_Armstrong said:

personally, of the 800+ second hand guns I've purchased over 20 years

 

At 40+ per year, how many have been used for more than (or even as much as) a day's play? 🤔

[Jez_Armstrong]

1 hour ago, Rogerborg said:

 

 

 

 

 

At 40+ per year, how many have been used for more than (or even as much as) a day's play? 🤔

What does that matter? I obviously don't have a 800+ gun collection in my shed, they things I purchase I service and flip 

 

You're thinking longevity, not second hand sale condition 

[Impulse]

This is why I don't tend to sell my guns on forums, even though I would like to slim my collection down a whole lot since I don't use most of them and generally stick to the same handful; including my pistols (I tend towards MED guns so they're important!) across both regular play and Vietnam filmsim, I use 16 of my 41 guns, and of those I only use about 10 of them regularly. I spend a lot of time and money tweaking my guns to as near to perfection as I can, but people online don't know for sure that it works well, nor should they take the word of an internet stranger at face value. I think I'd sell face to face where the person can take it to the range and see how it performs.

 

That said, all of the guns I've bought 2nd hand from here have been fantastic or exactly as advertised, however I've generally only bought near stock, stock, or boneyard stuff that I then take away and tweak and fiddle with myself, as I don't trust most people's teching abilities. I've seen far too many horror stories of people buying "fully upgraded" guns that shoot about 40m and then die half way through the first game day of usage.

[Rogerborg]

43 minutes ago, Jez_Armstrong said:

You're thinking longevity, not second hand sale condition 

 

Er... yes. Yes, that's my point. That if you buy a "just tried in garden once" used gun, it could have had 30 rounds through it, or 30,000. It might work without trouble for another 30,000, or fail after 30.

 

Not a problem for those of us who accrue more than we use, rotate through them, and/or tinker. But for someone looking get a first gun, my assumption is that they'd want to maximise the chances of it lasting long enough to break it themselves while uPgRaDiNg it.

[Jez_Armstrong]

So you count the amount of rounds your gun uses before you sell it on? 

 

I've seen brand new guns fail out of the box, you can't guarantee when a gun will break even after a service, we're literally relying on parts build by the manufacturer with sometimes shocking QC levels 

 

As for someone buying their first gun, the obvious answer is buy from a UK store new and have a warranty 🤷

[Cannonfodder]

10 hours ago, Jez_Armstrong said:

Yeah that's you, I would buy it because I know how to fix stuff, but personally, of the 800+ second hand guns I've purchased over 20 years, I can't think of a single issue I've had with a second hand sale, maybe one less mag or an optic wasn't included when there is a photo of one but it wasn't in the description is the most I can think of but the horror stories that pop up, like I say, 800+ second hand sales purchased, can't think of an issue 

Maybe I can fix stuff, I just don't want the extra hassle of fixing faults on a supposedly working gun as I buy them to use not just hang on a wall or sell on. I've had this more than once (fortunately not here) so I suppose it's a case of once bitten twice shy