Ideal sniper sidearm

[Bradders13754]

Hi

My son is well into his sniping and is looking for a side arm that's really quiet any recommendations would be great ?

[Shamal]

Mk23 with silencer. ?

[Enid_Puceflange]

Mk23

Any Mk23

But if you are going to do it properly, a TM Mk23 

I was astounded at the range and silence of them

Nov has one out, But you can make a TM more effective for less ££ though

I popped a Maple Leaf Crazy Jet, Hadron Design triple TDC with “I” key and a Flamingo rubber in mine

Was putting .40’s out to roughly 70m

And if you run a TM, only use 144a gas to stop the magazine seals blowing 

Just my tuppence ?

Edited August 7, 2022 by Enid_Puceflange

[Impulse]

1 hour ago, Enid_Puceflange said:

Mk23

Any Mk23

But if you are going to do it properly, a TM Mk23 

I was astounded at the range and silence of them

Nov has one out, But you can make a TM more effective for less ££ though

I popped a Maple Leaf Crazy Jet, Hadron Design triple TDC with “I” key and a Flamingo rubber in mine

Was putting .40’s out to roughly 80m

And if you run a TM, only use 144a gas to stop the magazine seals blowing 

Just my tuppence ?

 

Basically, yeah, what @Enid_Puceflangesaid. I've got a mk23 with a crazy jet barrel, Hadron triple TDC, Hadron H-arm and a Maple Leaf Autobot hop rubber. It's incredibly quiet and reaches out accurately (hits the target at least 9/10 times) to about 60m on .32s, which is better than most people's AEGs

 

I'd also second getting the TM though. They're far nicer than the ASG one, but you do pay that premium price tag. I own an STTI mk23 as well and it's just not as nice to use as my TM mk23.

Edited August 6, 2022 by Impulse

[Shamal]

1 hour ago, Enid_Puceflange said:

Mk23

Any Mk23

But if you are going to do it properly, a TM Mk23 

I was astounded at the range and silence of them

Nov has one out, But you can make a TM more effective for less ££ though

I popped a Maple Leaf Crazy Jet, Hadron Design triple TDC with “I” key and a Flamingo rubber in mine

Was putting .40’s out to roughly 80m

And if you run a TM, only use 144a gas to stop the magazine seals blowing 

Just my tuppence ?

Snap! Pretty much the same as my tm ?

[Bradders13754]

So ditch the Nov idea and go for the tm mk23??

[Rogerborg]

11 hours ago, Enid_Puceflange said:

Was putting .40’s out to roughly 80m

 

What's that chronoing at? 

[Enid_Puceflange]

10 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

 

What's that chronoing at? 

Feck knows, it was on green gas (probably why I was forever trying to seal them) but it was circa 270 as it felt like the beebs took forever to get to target

I got bored sealing them and sold it on ?

As a boneyard I add ?

Edited August 7, 2022 by Enid_Puceflange

[Cr0-Magnon]

On 06/08/2022 at 22:33, Enid_Puceflange said:

 circa 270

 

1.36J! Get 'im @Rogerborg!

 

Also, whoever said you can make the TM MK23 better for less than a Novritsch SSX23 is mistaken. An SSX + suppressor is circa £150, a stock TM is the same. The upgraded inner barrel, bucking and TDC will likely cost you another £50 or more on top. Plus the SSX23 has a nice metal slide and fibre optic sights.

 

I'm no Novritsch fan boy but think it's a bit silly when people pipe up about building a gun yourself for marginally less than he's selling some of his. Especially when you're talking for your son, unless you specifically want the learning experience associated with working on them.

[simonp]

How tall is your son? 

 

A MK23 with suppressor attached is a pretty long and unwieldy beast especially if he is holstering it anywhere other than his chest

[Rogerborg]

3 hours ago, Cr0-Magnon said:

1.36J! Get 'im @Rogerborg!

 

RIP to all the people murderkilled with that point-blanking DMR, sad loss to the sport.  

[Cr0-Magnon]

2 hours ago, simonp said:

A MK23 with suppressor attached is a pretty long and unwieldy beast especially if he is holstering it anywhere other than his chest

 

Unless you get the SSX23 and modular suppressor...

[Skara]

8 hours ago, Cr0-Magnon said:

Also, whoever said you can make the TM MK23 better for less than a Novritsch SSX23 is mistaken. An SSX + suppressor is circa £150, a stock TM is the same. The upgraded inner barrel, bucking and TDC will likely cost you another £50 or more on top. Plus the SSX23 has a nice metal slide and fibre optic sights.

Won't be less expensive, but at least your money will go in the right parts.

TDC: wobbly, useless, needs replaced with a Hadron anyway.

Barrel: completely unnecessary, stock TM barrel is perfectly fine, so is the STTI

Hop rubber: they come FILTHY from the factory, though this does not really affect performance. It's €8 anyway for a new one.

Metal slide: useless, expensive and adds a bit of, again, unnecessary weight.

 

All the springs and moving parts on the TM are infinitely better, smoother operation and will last 10x longer. The springs on my SSX23 fucked themselves after less than a year.

 

4 hours ago, Cr0-Magnon said:

Unless you get the SSX23 and modular suppressor...

That doesn't work unless fully assembled, and at that point it's longer and wider than the TM.

 

Back to the OP:

 

Get a TM Mk23, leave it alone for now as it's perfectly useable out of the box with the exception of the hop up adjustment being a tad annoying.

At a later date get a Hadron TDC (it's more quality of life than anything else) and maybe a new hop rubber.

[Impulse]

I know we're talking about quiet, but since the thread title is "ideal sniper sidearm" I feel obliged to bring up the other side of the argument of "loud and proud". Yes the TM mk23 is, in my opinion, the best quiet sidearm, but the only time we use our sidearm when sniping is either on the move or if somebody gets too close and even then you're likely not taking out 2+ people if they're close to you with a mk23.

 

So I introduce to you the other side of the debate and say that a compact SMG like an mp7 or mp5k or p90 would also serve as a good sidearm for a sniper. Nowhere near as silent, but if you're moving and don't want to give away your position, trust in your stealth and go to ground. If you're moving and you want to engage, you'll have a much better chance of winning that engagement against 2+ people (though the mk23 is better against 1 person by themselves for sure). Similarly, if they're within your MED and they don't know where you are, you can go to ground and wait for them to pass, or if they do know where you are again you're far more likely to win that engagement with an SMG than a mk23.

 

Basically, a mk23 is a great pistol and I have one and would highly recommend one as a sniper sidearm if you want to go quiet. It's by far my best stealth sidearm and I used it essentially as a primary weapon with a Cyma spring tri-shot as my "secondary" at a private game at the UCAP tunnels; was hilarious people having no idea where they were getting shot from and it went well with my costume as a cyberpunk/noir corporate operative silently taking people out. Even managed to knife kill the juggernaut  (knife kills were the only way to temporarily remove the juggernaut and his scary full auto LMG from game). However, it's awful at any kind of quick shooting because the trigger pull is long and squishy thanks to it being a NBB. I also have an mp7 that I carry in a thigh holster, an mp5k I carry on a sling, and more GBBs than I can shake a stick at because I love pistols and I would say they ALL have their uses as sniper sidearms (even if GBB pistols have their main selling point as "they're fun and cool to shoot")

 

Anyway, feel free to also ignore me as your son says he wants something quiet. I'm just highlighting other considerations for sniper secondaries as someone who has been doing it for 17 years or so.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Impulse

[concretesnail]

I'd second the loud and proud approach. I often run my bolt action with an mp9. I don't have the thigh holster but a molle catch mounted to the rail keeps it hooked to me. It great for closing and clearing buildings to acquire a position to snipe from.