typefish Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, EvilMonkee said: Wrong, there is legislation in place giving the Police powers Is there? Could you point them out for me please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Armydude said: Let them open if people want to go get ill that there choose money or life think wisely The issue is that if they get ill, it's not just them that'll suffer the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha Wolf Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I found this on they website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typefish Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 A retraction has been posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 From their facebook "The decision to run a game at Ground Zero Airsoft was taken after reading guidelines to businesses published on the 15th May, and was misinterpreted as there was no mention that there was still a limit imposed on the number of people that should meet together in public or private areas to participate in them. We were going to split the site into 4 large areas, and run teams of 15 people fighting against each other so we could effectively socially distance the players from each other, along with operational changes to stop groups having to cluster together for any reason. However, after reading the document aimed at people rather than businesses it is quite clear that it is not appropriate to run a game at the moment until the government lift this ban. Since the post this morning, I have been unable to speak to the owner, but he has just called me now and as soon as I informed him of our mistake he immediately told me to cancel the game. I was unable to update the Facebook community about what was happening until talking to him as it would probably have just deteriorated into name calling and negative comments with some of the people using rather toxic language to try and get their point across and the post would have got lost in the mire. I understand that people feel strongly about this, but the same result would have been achieved by being polite. I would like to thank anyone who pointed the documents out to us in a professional manner and we can only apologise for the confusion and distress that we may have caused." Absolute chodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkee Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, typefish said: Is there? Could you point them out for me please? Let me Google that for you http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/contents/enacted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typefish Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 35 minutes ago, EvilMonkee said: Let me Google that for you http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/contents/enacted Ah, well you're looking at the right piece of legislation - but which section is it which deals with events? I'm not trying to lead you down the garden path or anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enid_Puceflange Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Splitting hairs here Ground Zero were trying to pull a dick move As said previously, good to see mostly common sense responses to the OP’s topic 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrAlexanderTobacco Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, typefish said: Ah, well you're looking at the right piece of legislation - but which section is it which deals with events? I'm not trying to lead you down the garden path or anything! Power to prohibit or otherwise restrict events or gatherings in England 5(1)The Secretary of State may, for the purpose of— (a)preventing, protecting against, delaying or otherwise controlling the incidence or transmission of coronavirus, or (b)facilitating the most appropriate deployment of medical or emergency personnel and resources, issue a direction prohibiting, or imposing requirements or restrictions in relation to, the holding of an event or gathering in England. (2)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may be issued in relation to— (a)a specified event or gathering, or (b)events or gatherings of a specified description. (3)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only have the effect of imposing prohibitions, requirements or restrictions on— (a)the owner or occupier of premises for an event or gathering to which the direction relates; (b)the organiser of such an event or gathering; (c)any other person involved in holding such an event or gathering. (4)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only be issued during a public health response period. (5)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may, among other things, impose requirements about informing persons who may be planning to attend an event or gathering of its prohibition or any requirements or restrictions imposed in relation to the holding of it. (6)For the purposes of sub-paragraph (2), events or gatherings may be described— (a)by reference to a number of people attending the event or gathering, (b)by reference to a requirement for medical or emergency services to attend the event or gathering, or (c)in any other way. (7)The reference in sub-paragraph (3)(c) to a person involved in the holding of an event or gathering does not include a person whose only involvement in the event or gathering is, or would be, by attendance at the event or gathering. No clue whatsoever if the legislation has been employed, just wanted to point out the section that stood out to me as being relevant to the topic at hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typefish Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 29 minutes ago, DrAlexanderTobacco said: Power to prohibit or otherwise restrict events or gatherings in England 5(1)The Secretary of State may, for the purpose of— (a)preventing, protecting against, delaying or otherwise controlling the incidence or transmission of coronavirus, or (b)facilitating the most appropriate deployment of medical or emergency personnel and resources, issue a direction prohibiting, or imposing requirements or restrictions in relation to, the holding of an event or gathering in England. (2)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may be issued in relation to— (a)a specified event or gathering, or (b)events or gatherings of a specified description. (3)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only have the effect of imposing prohibitions, requirements or restrictions on— (a)the owner or occupier of premises for an event or gathering to which the direction relates; (b)the organiser of such an event or gathering; (c)any other person involved in holding such an event or gathering. (4)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may only be issued during a public health response period. (5)A direction under sub-paragraph (1) may, among other things, impose requirements about informing persons who may be planning to attend an event or gathering of its prohibition or any requirements or restrictions imposed in relation to the holding of it. (6)For the purposes of sub-paragraph (2), events or gatherings may be described— (a)by reference to a number of people attending the event or gathering, (b)by reference to a requirement for medical or emergency services to attend the event or gathering, or (c)in any other way. (7)The reference in sub-paragraph (3)(c) to a person involved in the holding of an event or gathering does not include a person whose only involvement in the event or gathering is, or would be, by attendance at the event or gathering. No clue whatsoever if the legislation has been employed, just wanted to point out the section that stood out to me as being relevant to the topic at hand That is indeed the correct schedule, well, for England anyway. The point what I'm getting at is that as far as I know, only a declaration (well, two, in fact) required for these paragraphs to have any effect has been made by Scotland (which is the next stanza, each nation has their own stanza) If of course anyone finds such a declaration for England, Wales or Northern Ireland I'll be most grateful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Lozart Posted May 19, 2020 Supporters Share Posted May 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Robert James said: From their facebook "The decision to run a game at Ground Zero Airsoft was taken after reading guidelines to businesses published on the 15th May, and was misinterpreted as there was no mention that there was still a limit imposed on the number of people that should meet together in public or private areas to participate in them. We were going to split the site into 4 large areas, and run teams of 15 people fighting against each other so we could effectively socially distance the players from each other, along with operational changes to stop groups having to cluster together for any reason. However, after reading the document aimed at people rather than businesses it is quite clear that it is not appropriate to run a game at the moment until the government lift this ban. Since the post this morning, I have been unable to speak to the owner, but he has just called me now and as soon as I informed him of our mistake he immediately told me to cancel the game. I was unable to update the Facebook community about what was happening until talking to him as it would probably have just deteriorated into name calling and negative comments with some of the people using rather toxic language to try and get their point across and the post would have got lost in the mire. I understand that people feel strongly about this, but the same result would have been achieved by being polite. I would like to thank anyone who pointed the documents out to us in a professional manner and we can only apologise for the confusion and distress that we may have caused." Absolute chodes. Translation: we got rumbled and reckon if we make up some bollocks about not having seen the right bit of paper nobody will think we were just being dicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkee Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 It was 'we misinterpreted the guideslines'. How????? So you idiots can't even read......and then it was everyone elses fault for them being 'toxic'. Jog on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 10 hours ago, Lozart said: Translation: we got rumbled and reckon if we make up some bollocks about not having seen the right bit of paper nobody will think we were just being dicks. Translation: Translation: We’re politicians 😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgePlaysAirsoft Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, EvilMonkee said: It was 'we misinterpreted the guideslines'. How????? So you idiots can't even read......and then it was everyone elses fault for them being 'toxic'. Jog on... Yeah it sounds like bollocks to me. I can't find any guidance for business published on may the 15th, not to say it doesn't exist though. In any case the guidance for business includes in it's second paragraph a link to the document showing which business must be closed, and which are exempt. Of which airsoft, or anything remotely similar, is not exempted under "outdoor leisure". GZ ignored this, or failed to understand this. It also links to the "staying alert and safe" guidance, which again GZ either ignored or failed to understand. They're either thick as shit or scummy cunts. Genuinely hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Lozart Posted May 19, 2020 Supporters Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, GeorgePlaysAirsoft said: I can't find any guidance for business published on may the 15th, not to say it doesn't exist though. Your Google-Fu is weak... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19 (updated May 18th) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveocee Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Extremely poor choice by owners and blatant shirking of blame pointing fingers at toxic community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgePlaysAirsoft Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Lozart said: Your Google-Fu is weak... https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19 (updated May 18th) I accidentally pressed send before I had updated my post. That guidance was published on the 25th February and has been updated countless times including on the 15th. I wasn't trying to pick holes, i literally thought there was some new guidance which may of explained gz's thinking - i was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt as best i could. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 To be devils advocate, businesses are struggling and every activity centre - airsoft, paintball, country pursuits etc are looking at reopening. With vague announcements and constant changes to guidance there could be misunderstandings - if you listen to/read the media and Facebook then it’s very easy to be mistaken. Discussions are taking place publicly and privately between sites, official bodies etc, Ground Zero are the first that I have seen to put it down firmly, the majority are doing so as their planning for reopening (and will have been doing that pretty much from the beginning & revising along the way. Personally I’m in a very good position, my income is secure and I have the technology and ability to work anywhere with connectivity. Financially I’m better off as I don’t have commuting expenses, work wise my team are more efficient. Bit annoying as I have loads of personal projects that I could be doing if I wasn’t working. I can understand those who have reduced income and especially the self employed and small businesses that don’t fit the criteria for grants or can only access help that’s a loan to be repaid. The Ground Zero game was a terrible idea, even the disclaimers handed through car windows could be handled better: 1)Online form if they can work out the tech 2)Online printable copy if not 3)Put disclaimers around the staging area for everyone else 4)Drop disclaimers in boxes to avoid handling on collection Mentioning what the cap was might have helped (not much though unless the cap was in line with a family group) Having a thermometer gun would show some form of identifying risky individuals etc But right now is not the time to open these activities, there could be plans for various stages of reopening as the situation progresses, eg small parties (if that is viable as the cost of opening might be even more than the income of a small enough group), or directed ‘experiences’ rather than full games, and over time moving onto wider opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratton Oakmont Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 Why bother trying to second guess, just be patient. Just have to wait to open when its deemed appropriate by the govt, (not that it's any safer but it legitimises your decision). What I can't believe is people walking around in surgical masks, creating a false sense of safety for themselves, especially the home made ones (like a bit of old sock is going to prevent a virus) unless its full seal for eyes nose and mouth with an appropriate filter its not virus proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heath Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, osteoshot said: What I can't believe is people walking around in surgical masks, creating a false sense of safety for themselves, especially the home made ones (like a bit of old sock is going to prevent a virus) unless its full seal for eyes nose and mouth with an appropriate filter its not virus proof. It reduces the chance of you catching and more importantly spreading it, especially if you're asymptomatic. It's might not be virus proof, but If there's a 1% chance that it'll stop somebody else getting it and all I need to do is wear something over my face when I go to the shops, sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DrAlexanderTobacco Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, osteoshot said: What I can't believe is people walking around in surgical masks, creating a false sense of safety for themselves, especially the home made ones (like a bit of old sock is going to prevent a virus) unless its full seal for eyes nose and mouth with an appropriate filter its not virus proof. Basic masks are NOT to protect you, they're to protect others. Not to mention the optics benefit - seeing masks outside, in public, is a constant reminder to keep as far as possible away from people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratton Oakmont Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, DrAlexanderTobacco said: Basic masks are NOT to protect you, they're to protect others. Not to mention the optics benefit - seeing masks outside, in public, is a constant reminder to keep as far as possible away from people. The second point I agree with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmanNo2 Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I believe even loose fitting masks do offer a small amount of protection for the wearer as the masks provide a barrier to 'push' some larger droplets out of the way rather than hit your face but ultimately they're for the benefit of those around you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratton Oakmont Posted May 20, 2020 Share Posted May 20, 2020 I find airsofters attitude towards others fascinating. some would modify their behaviour for a 1percent chance to protect others others have stated on this very site in the past that if they blinded a player because inferior eye pro was worn they would not lose a wink of sleep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Moderator Jedi_Master Posted May 20, 2020 Head Moderator Share Posted May 20, 2020 1 hour ago, osteoshot said: I find airsofters attitude towards others fascinating. some would modify their behaviour for a 1percent chance to protect others others have stated on this very site in the past that if they blinded a player because inferior eye pro was worn they would not lose a wink of sleep It is natural selection, unfortunately Darwin awards do not always apply and sometime the dumbest win. Airsoft being an all encompassing hobby and open to anyone does mean that it also encompasses all strata of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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