Ian_Gere

Oh I expected they would be for people wounded/injured on the job, but not so much for an accident in civvies. I think there are a lot of employers who would worry about their on site insurance if they employed someone whose eyesight may be compromised and that person's job involved anyone else's safety though. I'm sorry but i've pretty much forgotten what you actually do - fettling helicopters for ops kinda rings a bell... and if so it's an alarm bell, mate !
 
Wow, you must have felt fucking terrible! I accidentally broke a mate's nose at uni - we were dicking around light contact Shotokan (me) vs Shukokai (turns out to be the weaker karate) sparring while we were waiting for some people to finish plugging a stage-full into the FoH desk and, even though i was pulling the punch, he was stepping forward right at that moment - instant Steven Fry off to his right. I felt soooo guilty...
 
But it got worse when it turned out that he was secretly more than a bit vain, so when we got in front of a mirror, just the 2 of us, he started crying and trying to make out like it was just the pain making his eyes water again. But even that isn't the worst of it as I had to persuade him to let me manipulate it so it would start to set straight, because i had had experience with my own after my step-dad butted me in the face when i was about 14 but i didn't want to go to the hospital because my mum was working there in A&E and if she found out that it'd actually come to blows between him and I, while she was at work, it would have been just too bad to contemplate, so even though i did get a Dr. to look at it the next day it was already too late to get it completely straight unless he broke it some more.
 
You see my mate (who shall remain nameless in light of the severely unmanly blubbing over a wonky konk) was refusing to go to the hospital also, mainly because we had an assessment of a multi-media live performance coming up and he didn't want to leave me in the lurch building sets & then trying to run video at the same time as i had the front of house live mixing of a few bands one after another to do (and during 1 song all the members of 1 large band except the drummer and bassist stopped playing their instruments and pulled out kazoos, so they all had to have a vocal mike as well, which created a potential mare for feedback) so if the show was going to go on, i totally did need him, although TBH i was willing to just fuck the talent off, take a referral and go for a C grade at a later date - that's how bad i felt about it. I lost touch with him when he moved back to Germany, but a few years after the event I got one more twist of the dagger: he had come over to the UK for a mutual friend's wedding and it turned out that he was about to have surgery because although it had healed pretty straight, his breathing through 1 nostril had never been the same and it made him not only snore like a chainsaw but prone to infections in the sinuses
 
Somehow i think i'd have felt worse if i shot somebody in the eye though (and that's totally not me telling you how you should feel btw, i mean it was an accident, i just know i'd have been horrified at myself if it were me).
 
See now that i just don't get... you've seen the evidence: you know ricochets do hit people in the eyeball past shooting glasses and you have a pair of Profile Turbofans, ffs!
 
 
Well that is something to be grateful for. If airsoft had been around when either my father or step-wanker and I had been around each other i'd have spent the entire skirmish days looking for ways to shoot either of 'em in the most painful place i could manage i say "lol" mind: i'm not really joking...
 
Dunno how old you are, but take this as consolation if you're not yet in your mid 40's - since being about 44 when pieces of my teeth come apart now they don't hurt much: the nerves are pretty much all dead. I haven't actually been to a dentist since '99 when at the very end of what had turned into prolonged maxillofacial surgery to sort out problems which had developed over the previous decade or so, I needed a simple filling and what with all the psych, tranquilisers to get me through the door, sedation during the treatment, and mates supporting me, I had gained a degree of confidence. The dentist who had undertaken most of the work on my teeth, as opposed to the surgeon who did the work on my broken roots, gums, bones, etc., was the head of the practice and on the day I was due to have this last little thing sorted he had to deal with an emergency patient...
 
So, feeling this newfound quantum of confidence, I allowed myself to be persuaded to let another dentist who had just joined the practice do it and without sedating me. Thankfully the mate who was with me at the time is an ex-marine and sometime bouncer, because i would need to be held down in the chair or i think i may have killed this dentist - during the work, and bear in mind that i was physically trembling the whole way through and just concentrating like mad on not pissing my pants, the head of the drill came off in my mouth and rattled round the inside taking a couple of, albeit small but nonetheless actual, chips off other teeth and making my tongue bleed. TBH i really should have sued, but after Mark had sorted my head out, I just ran out of the place and never went back (strangely that tooth with the 1/2 finished hole in it is 1 of the few i have left).
 
Turns out he was left handed and there is such a thing as a left handed dentist rig, but since he was new to the pracice his hadn't yet been delivered from wherever it had been previously, so he went ahead and used the rig that the previous bloke had left behind in the room he was taking over. I mean what an absolute cunt, right? Anyway, since i haven't seen a dentist i don't know if the reason for the nerve death is damage due to various abscesses I've had over the years (which do still hurt on the odd occasion i get one btw but i get antibiotics from my GP), or something which we can all look forward to as a consolation for old age. I'm pretty sure it's not the result of the peripheral neuropathy i suffer from though, because mouths are hardly peripheral, eh so you may get lucky.
 
Wow it's all coming out this evening

Sexual favours...

I never said i wanted to shag Santa, although i dunno... i mean, i don't go in for genuinely evil sex, as opposed to a little evil roleplay for eg, but i hate xmas so much that maybe i could enjoy hurting the kiddie-fiddling jovial fat bastard...
 
 
 
joke
 
In as much as it was an off the cuff remark and therefore not really a plan, I spose what I vaguely had in mind was Santa bringing a talented professional round perhaps, but now i am thinking about it, elf ears wouldn't go amiss

Who would say no too a sexy little female xmas elf. I think its the tights and pixie boots. Will certainly be the highlight of taking my boy to santas grotto this year.
 
As for Santa you got to think operation yewtree are missing a trick.
Any fat old man who likes to bounce little children up and down on his lap while going ho ho ho is definitely suspect in my book.

He is lucky to have not had a much more serious injury however, given how close the hit was to his iris; one which could have compromised his eyesight to some degree permanently, and given what he does for a living, i'm pretty sure that would have spelled an enforced major shift in career direction at the very least, but perhaps being let go. Would the Navy keep you on in your current role if you had a permanent floater in the middle of the vision from one eye, for as long as it took to be able to get whatever operation/s needed and recovery time?
Wholly didn't see that one coming, Batman! WTF? HTF did that happen?
 
Not me in the first pic in the OP. The geezer asked me to redact his name as he works in a sensitive post.
 
This is so typical of how it goes though, eh? Unless it happens to us, or somebody we know, so many of us are very willing to take unnecessary risks. Personally it's about my teeth - i have such a phobia of dentistry that i am at least as worried about getting teeth shot out as i am about secure eyepro!
 
I remember seeing a documentary about risk perception a good few years ago in which they presented stats for accidents at railway crossings in Canada (iirc, could have been the USA) and they found that removing the barriers completely reduced the accident rates, because people would perceive the risk to be much more considerable and drive more safely, but with the barriers in place people apparently did attempt to race trains, either to get through before the barrier came down or to drive around them on the opposite side of the road at crossings with just a single barrier from each direction, both of which led to cars getting stuck on the crossing and wiped out by oncoming trains. I mean... really!?! I shit you not...
 
Strangely enough, considering what i've written above, I clipped a single crossing of wires out of a face mask to leave a very small hole right in front of my lips through which i was hoping to be able to smoke (and trust me on this, my odontophobia is a serious condition for which i have had to have treatment when tooth pain has become so severe that, after months, i have had to face the fact that i had no choice but to go to the dentist because my entire life had fallen apart - just goes to show you how bad my nicotine addiction is too )... Well, it kinda worked on the smoking front, but not sufficiently well for me to have not wished i hadn't bothered But one time i ended up with a BB in my mouth which must have made it straight through this hole without hitting the mesh, because there was no sound. As with your experience though, no tooth damage, nor even a stung lip. I retrofitted a piece of stiff wire back across that hole though!
 
It is this variability in our individual perception of risk which leads me to thinking that all round seal goggles should be mandatory though. Because, in the same way that someone choosing to massively increase their risk of a serious injury in a car crash by not wearing a seatbelt is not just about them, a serious eye injury in airsoft would not be just about the victim.

I agree Ian, the times I got a smack on the lip, the nose & cheeks was a enough to make me say "Fuck this" my left eye muscle is so weak that I might aswell be blind in that eye so if my right eye went then I'm screwed. I smoke aswell & nothing like a battlefield smoke I like to smoke before a game but I can't with a mesh mask
 
It is all personal preference & I prefer to protect my ugly mug as much as I can

Really can't believe people don't wear sealed or full face.

I'm glad your ok Ian that pic makes me wince.
 
When I was a whipper-snapper apprentice, back when health & safety on building sites was in place but more of an after thought, I was walking past a builder who was cutting a bit of steel with a 9" grinder, as I passed I suddenly got what I thought was a wasp sting in the corner of my eye, the pain was seriously intense, I'm not much of a wimp so my reaction caught the attention of the site manager, who asked to have a look, I took my hand away from my face & he went white as a ghost & called for an ambulance.
 
When I was waiting for it to arrive the pain was getting more intense & some of the guys on the site came over to have a look, one dude looked like he was about to faint in front of me, basically I'd got a shard of red hot steel that had pierced my sclera (the white case that all the soft gooey stuff is kept in) and it was bleeding like a tap. I didn't realise it at the time but my eye simply turned off & I could not see through it at all.
 
The really scary bit was when I went into casualty, I asked if I was going to be able to see again & the nurse looked at me & said "I don't know" I don't mind admitting I shat my strides when she said that. It turned out the injury wasn't as serious as it looked, after the shard was extracted and a fair whack of pain, lots of painkillers and a few out patent appointments all came back to working normally. Although during the healing process I got a feeling for what its like to be blind in one eye & that scared the brown stuff out of me.
 
Ever since I've never risked my eye sight for anything. If there is a gap bigger than 6mm in your eye pro, plug that gap
 
I mean it guys when I say, you can be macho for 5 mins but your blind for life.

That's exactly the same conclusion I came to.

Haha, I deliberately didn't link the vid in that manner because it's so baaaad. But no problem
 
I'll get some selfies next time i'm at a game so you can see what I mean. My mesh mask cheek section docks perfectly inline with my smith optics lopro regulator goggles, but the shape of the mesh masks centre line fails to dock at all with the nose, leaving the mesh pointing forwards, giving me no protection to my nose between 9-10 and 2-3 to either side and limited at 10-11 and 1-2.

So basically a full face mask will protect your eyes,teeth,lungs and help prevent obesity and tooth decay. Thats the best bit of advertising ever.
Must say though the "trap door" sounds like a good idea.

full seal eye-pro should be MANDATORY for airsoft. It is for many CQB sites, but more places need to take this kind of thing more seriously than then do.
 
cant go wrong with a set of mesh eyeware- or Bolle/Wiley X gear if you prefer clear eyeware.

Your wife shouts too huh djben? Glad to know it's not just me lol.

indeed, its what I followed, couldn't find the knife though !
 
wife caught me trying the helmet on with the V2 mask, works better not fixed to helmet I found out

sorry Ian was a rush post before kids went to bed and wife shouting!, I meant they come with 2 straps that may hold on better?.....although now having spent time looking at above picture ive seen what you have done!.....manflu is getting to me!
 
yeah I tried the half mask/fast helmet for half a game with ESS goggles, went well, got a hit above the lip but protected
still a few tweaks I need to do as like you said, worried it may slip down, although my nose holds it on, also may attach my mesh goggles to the mask and strap over as an added fixing.....all trial and error
 
if all else fails I have the other face/ear pro and he kingrin goggles!, to be honest, I value my face so wanna keep it bb free so goggles* for me
 
 
*mesh/lens

I'm only 14 months into the hobby and I've had a hit just like yours and the one the other day (It caused no damaged but smarted like a bastard!), When I have a mo' I'll get a pic uploaded of my new Heroshark setup. It's pretty much all joined but without having to strap it so tight against my face it causes headaches. It's crazy how BB's will find a way in though!

This is the aftermath of a ricochet off a wall passing between the edge of a lens of a pair of ESS Crossbow shooting glasses and his cheekbone. It happened this last Sunday at Zed Adventures: The Mall, Reading.
 
Thankfully it seems that there has been no damage which will turn out to be permanent, but look how close that is to his iris - who knows what kind of damage would have been caused to the tiny muscles and/or nerves which control the iris? A couple or three millimetres over and it would have been on his cornea, also squashing the lens underneath. Very likely that he would have been partially blinded in that eye for a while; perhaps forever.
 
We all know that looking cool is a big part of airsoft and hey, there's nothing wrong with that IMO, but not being able to properly see yourself looking 'operator' is surely too high a price to pay for it. This is not the first time I've written that shooting glasses are not appropriate eye protection for airsoft and almost always some person/s has/ve a reason why they 'cannot' wear goggles and only lenses with a gap, in some cases as wide as 2 BB's side by side (ffs!), will do. IMO those people need to take a good hard look at those reasons and have another think about all the various types and shapes of goggle on the market. Don't be afraid to improvise either: I'm certain that whatever anyone's problem with goggles may be*, between us we are capable of coming up with a solution.
 
Someone is going to get blinded due to wearing shooting glasses to airsoft one day: it's just a matter of time. Don't let it be you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
*except when their problem is an inability to not type googles: that appears to be an intractable neuro-muscular issue brought on by a low level of microgorms/s²

This hit was the closest i've had to one in the eye: exactly the same as yours - between eyepro and 1/2 face mask:
 

...even though it bled like a bastard, it didn't really sink in just how dangerous this was at the time.

I mean, I learned 2.5 lessons straight away: 1) those 1/2 face masks need 2 straps to hold them stable on my face (and it was easy enough to add a 2nd to this mask), not just 1, to stop them bouncing up and down when i run, opening up the gap between eyepro and mask, and 2) the straps need to be done up tightly to make the mask immobile, which then required extra foam padding inside for comfort. The half lesson was that those mini-goggles do not cover enough of the soft skin around my eyes for my peace of mind - not that I was concerned about my eyesight, just a bit scared of the pain i spose. However something which didn't really sink in, until i'd seen photo's/IRL of BB's sunk in people's faces, was that a BB could go through the soft skin just at the top of either of my cheekbones as i have about the width of my index finger where there's no muscle underneath, just skin over the bone of the eye socket, and hit me in the eyeball under the skin...
 
So that was that - goggles which not only seal to my face all round, but also cover those bits of skin between the top of my cheek muscles and my eye sockets. All the time.

This hit was the closest i've had to one in the eye: exactly the same as yours - between eyepro and 1/2 face mask:
 

...even though it bled like a bastard, it didn't really sink in just how dangerous this was at the time.

I mean, I learned 2.5 lessons straight away: 1) those 1/2 face masks need 2 straps to hold them stable on my face (and it was easy enough to add a 2nd to this mask), not just 1, to stop them bouncing up and down when i run, opening up the gap between eyepro and mask, and 2) the straps need to be done up tightly to make the mask immobile, which then required extra foam padding inside for comfort. The half lesson was that those mini-goggles do not cover enough of the soft skin around my eyes for my peace of mind - not that I was concerned about my eyesight, just a bit scared of the pain i spose. However something which didn't really sink in, until i'd seen photo's/IRL of BB's sunk in people's faces, was that a BB could go through the soft skin just at the top of either of my cheekbones as i have about the width of my index finger where there's no muscle underneath, just skin over the bone of the eye socket, and hit me in the eyeball under the skin...
 
So that was that - goggles which not only seal to my face all round, but also cover those bits of skin between the top of my cheek muscles and my eye sockets. All the time.

Glad to see you're ok and no permanent damage hopefully. I always wear full seal and even so I've had a bb squeeze in between the seal and the skin underneath my eye. I felt something touch my eye although it wasn't painful. Then my vision was messed up until I realised it a the bb rolling around behind the lens inside my eye pro. That was a bit surreal.

This is the aftermath of a ricochet off a wall passing between the edge of a lens of a pair of ESS Crossbow shooting glasses and his cheekbone. It happened this last Sunday at Zed Adventures: The Mall, Reading.
 
Thankfully it seems that there has been no damage which will turn out to be permanent, but look how close that is to his iris - who knows what kind of damage would have been caused to the tiny muscles and/or nerves which control the iris? A couple or three millimetres over and it would have been on his cornea, also squashing the lens underneath. Very likely that he would have been partially blinded in that eye for a while; perhaps forever.
 
We all know that looking cool is a big part of airsoft and hey, there's nothing wrong with that IMO, but not being able to properly see yourself looking 'operator' is surely too high a price to pay for it. This is not the first time I've written that shooting glasses are not appropriate eye protection for airsoft and almost always some person/s has/ve a reason why they 'cannot' wear goggles and only lenses with a gap, in some cases as wide as 2 BB's side by side (ffs!), will do. IMO those people need to take a good hard look at those reasons and have another think about all the various types and shapes of goggle on the market. Don't be afraid to improvise either: I'm certain that whatever anyone's problem with goggles may be*, between us we are capable of coming up with a solution.
 
Someone is going to get blinded due to wearing shooting glasses to airsoft one day: it's just a matter of time. Don't let it be you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
*except when their problem is an inability to not type googles: that appears to be an intractable neuro-muscular issue brought on by a low level of microgorms/s²

This is the aftermath of a ricochet off a wall passing between the edge of a lens of a pair of ESS Crossbow shooting glasses and his cheekbone. It happened this last Sunday at Zed Adventures: The Mall, Reading.
 
Thankfully it seems that there has been no damage which will turn out to be permanent, but look how close that is to his iris - who knows what kind of damage would have been caused to the tiny muscles and/or nerves which control the iris? A couple or three millimetres over and it would have been on his cornea, also squashing the lens underneath. Very likely that he would have been partially blinded in that eye for a while; perhaps forever.
 
We all know that looking cool is a big part of airsoft and hey, there's nothing wrong with that IMO, but not being able to properly see yourself looking 'operator' is surely too high a price to pay for it. This is not the first time I've written that shooting glasses are not appropriate eye protection for airsoft and almost always some person/s has/ve a reason why they 'cannot' wear goggles and only lenses with a gap, in some cases as wide as 2 BB's side by side (ffs!), will do. IMO those people need to take a good hard look at those reasons and have another think about all the various types and shapes of goggle on the market. Don't be afraid to improvise either: I'm certain that whatever anyone's problem with goggles may be*, between us we are capable of coming up with a solution.
 
Someone is going to get blinded due to wearing shooting glasses to airsoft one day: it's just a matter of time. Don't let it be you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
*except when their problem is an inability to not type googles: that appears to be an intractable neuro-muscular issue brought on by a low level of microgorms/s²

This is the aftermath of a ricochet off a wall passing between the edge of a lens of a pair of ESS Crossbow shooting glasses and his cheekbone. It happened this last Sunday at Zed Adventures: The Mall, Reading.
 
Thankfully it seems that there has been no damage which will turn out to be permanent, but look how close that is to his iris - who knows what kind of damage would have been caused to the tiny muscles and/or nerves which control the iris? A couple or three millimetres over and it would have been on his cornea, also squashing the lens underneath. Very likely that he would have been partially blinded in that eye for a while; perhaps forever.
 
We all know that looking cool is a big part of airsoft and hey, there's nothing wrong with that IMO, but not being able to properly see yourself looking 'operator' is surely too high a price to pay for it. This is not the first time I've written that shooting glasses are not appropriate eye protection for airsoft and almost always some person/s has/ve a reason why they 'cannot' wear goggles and only lenses with a gap, in some cases as wide as 2 BB's side by side (ffs!), will do. IMO those people need to take a good hard look at those reasons and have another think about all the various types and shapes of goggle on the market. Don't be afraid to improvise either: I'm certain that whatever anyone's problem with goggles may be*, between us we are capable of coming up with a solution.
 
Someone is going to get blinded due to wearing shooting glasses to airsoft one day: it's just a matter of time. Don't let it be you.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
*except when their problem is an inability to not type googles: that appears to be an intractable neuro-muscular issue brought on by a low level of microgorms/s²

It was me that got hit. For the record it was a complete fluke. I normally wear ESS Crossbow cos I can use prescription inserts with them but am now switching to full seal. Ian would you mind redacting my name out of this? Especially as you know what I do for a living...Ta

Saw that earlier on the Bolsh page. He's lucky to have escaped losing an eye. I always wear either bolle goggles or fan assisted goggles. Which are both full seal. I don't even like having my teeth exposed especially at cqb so usually wear a lower mesh as well.