Sucked back in by Games Workshop.

[Skullchewer]

I am weak.
I'm heavily into tabletop gaming, been playing since the 70s, mainly D&D, Traveller and Warhammer 40K. I stopped playing 40K about 6 years ago. Not a fan of GW's business model and I got tired of trying to keep up. I still have my armies, and an EXTENSIVE collection of rules and lore books, going right back to Rogue Trader.
So, lately I've been playing a lot of Warhhammer 40,000 Darktide on PC, and it gave me that old 40K itch.
And today this happened....




Any other tabletop nerds here?

[Terry_Rist]

Yeah I got sucked into Kill team when GW re-released it a few years ago, really enjoyed making small teams of completely custom miniatures. I had tried 40k before but just didn't find it enjoyable making the same models over and over again, building and painting an entire army just felt like a chore. Eventually my mate I used to play with moved away and I never really touched the models again, the rest of life takes over and I have enough other hobbies and jobs to do to fill my time but I did have a lot of fun with kill team when I did play it. I really love the lore behind the 40K universe and I even have a copy of the Only War tabletop rules and expansions somewhere but could never convince anyone to play it and again the tabletop group I played with a couple of times just drifted apart as everyone moved on with their lives.

 

I feel sorry for your wallet if you are getting back into GW models, and I really hope this post doesn't tip me back into it as I don't have enough time to work on airsoft stuff and cars without getting back ito another hobby that is a huge time sink XD. I bet along with your finished armies you still have a big collection of grey plastic like the rest of us left over form well intentioned projects that never got completed. i still have way too many boxes of sprues from model kits I have never made, not just games workshop stuff.

[The Waco Kid]

I was discussing Citadel Minatures the other day when I went to the comic shop to get a copy of 2000AD.

 

I went cold Turkey on GW a long time ago.

Their business model, hmmm. And I’m not sure I’d like to work for their management. 
The strong arm tactics with “Astartes” and other fan made art was the action of grubby little fucktators.

 

[Rogerborg]

25 minutes ago, The Waco Kid said:

The strong arm tactics with “Astartes” and other fan made art was the action of grubby little fucktators.

 

That is my litany of faith every time I hear the seductive whispering of the Financially Ruinous Powers.

 

It's their property, they can do as they like with it.  But it's our fandom, and our money, to spend or not as we please.

 

I don't expect a visit from the Legal Inquisition, but then who does? 

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Have I been sucked off in the back of a Games Workshop?

[The Waco Kid]

It’s okay it only cost…… your soul.

 

Have GW come out with a subscription service yet?  WOTC are milking that cow.

Edited January 12, 2023 by The Waco Kid

[Skullchewer]

2 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

 

That is my litany of faith every time I hear the seductive whispering of the Financially Ruinous Powers.

 

It's their property, they can do as they like with it.  But it's our fandom, and our money, to spend or not as we please.

 

I don't expect a visit from the Legal Inquisition, but then who does? 

 

 

Exactly. I have no plans to return to 40K, but the call of Necromunda got to me.
I absolutely LOVE the 40K universe, the lore is so deep and rich, but GW
 

2 hours ago, RostokMcSpoons said:

Have I been sucked off in the back of a Games Workshop?

 

That's not a no.

 

24 minutes ago, The Waco Kid said:

It’s okay it only cost…… your soul.

 

Have GW come out with a subscription service yet?  WOTC are milking that cow.

Yeah, WOTC are really fucking it over right now. D&D is my first love, and I am very sad to see what they're doing to it.

[Madhouse]

Been a while since I've been into GW - used to play Epic: Space Marine as a kid.

[Rogerborg]

7 minutes ago, Madhouse said:

Been a while since I've been into GW - used to play Epic: Space Marine as a kid.

 

Epic was rightly named, and the best thing was that you could put together an entire army for not much more than one 40K hero mini - which is probably why GW killed it.  Doubly so if you played with folk who didn't mind you subbing in whatever else you had to hand.

 

I won a tournament using a 100% cheese force consisting of nothing but spray-painted Marine Scout companies deployed directly onto objectives or into hand-to-hand via toy-shop Micro-Machine helicopters serving as Thunderhawks.  One bloke was on the verge of tears as his beautiful Titans and Baneblades went down under a swarm of suicidal stabby scouts, wailing "But all you're doing is swapping your cheap units for my expensive ones!"  

 

 

5 hours ago, Skullchewer said:

D&D is my first love, and I am very sad to see what they're doing to it.

 

Member when "elf" and "dwarf" were character classes?  I member.

 

Mmm, I'd spotted that WoTC were doing their best to turn fans into foes by killing off the community licensed system.  Utterly tragic, given their history with being the David cease-and-desisted by TSR's Goliath, then after the success of MtG buying up most of what was left of TSR, and now becoming the worst of TSR.

 

That said, both of my kids are playing whatever the 2nd-to-most-recent ruleset of D&D is, in separate groups, so there may be some life in it yet even as a gateway.  I'm gently suggesting to them that other systems and settings are available.

 

[Cannonfodder]

I've never been into the tabletop gaming, but I've recently been watching a YouTube channel called Viva la Dirt League where they skits based on D&D logic and have recorded some games as a series 

[Skullchewer]

6 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

 

Member when "elf" and "dwarf" were character classes?  I member.

 

Mmm, I'd spotted that WoTC were doing their best to turn fans into foes by killing off the community licensed system.  Utterly tragic, given their history with being the David cease-and-desisted by TSR's Goliath, then after the success of MtG buying up most of what was left of TSR, and now becoming the worst of TSR.

 

That said, both of my kids are playing whatever the 2nd-to-most-recent ruleset of D&D is, in separate groups, so there may be some life in it yet even as a gateway.  I'm gently suggesting to them that other systems and settings are available.

 

 

I do indeed member, sky captain. I member being a Magic User using darts cos I had used my spell for the day?

It's gutting that WOTC are doing this, and I think it will cost them players, me included. Fuck em, they'll get no more of my money. 


5th edition is the most up to date D&D, and you're absolutely right, it is a gateway. A few years back I put together a D&D group of random strangers through a tabletop gaming shop, we're all still playing together (Apart from one guy who was a douche). When I started they were all pretty new to tabletop games, now they're all expanding out into different systems, because of D&D.
Tabletop gaming, be it RPGs or wargames, are seeing something of a renaissance in the past few years, and I put it down mainly to the surge in popularity of D&D 5E.
5th is a very easy rules set to get into, and really helps people see the fun of TTRPGs.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Skullchewer

[Rogerborg]

Ah, right, I think it's 5E they're using, I'd formed the impression that 6 was already out.

 

I was surprised to see that D&D: The Final Frontier film is, while a little cheesy looking, pretty much Monster Manual fanservice.  Mimic, displacer beast, gelatinous cube, owbear and what might have been a stone drolem just on a cursory viewing of the trailer.  It's almost like they don't actually hate their audience.

 

And with 40K, it seems that we're getting the world's strongest nerd, Henry Cavill, exec producing and acting in a live action series for Amazon.  I reckon he only does acting work in order to be able to afford the plastic crack.  

[Skullchewer]

The D&D movie is entertaining me already.

Many nerds are complaining about it being too silly and humorous. This nerd, however, recognises that that's pretty much every D&D session.

Sure, you may want to be grim and moody and brooding heroes, but it rarely turns out like that.

D&D sessions lean more towards Pratchett than Tolkien, so I'm all for silly movie. 

And yes, LOVING the monsters so far.

 

I can only wish that the end of the movie smash cuts to the actors sat around a table trying to arrange a date for the next session but having scheduling conflicts.

 

Yeah, nice to see that he's also producing, so maybe he'll convince the studio to treat the lore with respect and not shaft it utterly (Rings of Power, and especially Halo).

 I really can't see the series being as horrific and grim as 40K really is. I can but hope.

It's the lore that keeps dragging me back to 40k after all these years.

Edited January 13, 2023 by Skullchewer

[Rogerborg]

51 minutes ago, Skullchewer said:

Many nerds are complaining about it being too silly and humorous. This nerd, however, recognises that that's pretty much every D&D session.

 

Exactly that. Abstracted hit-point systems are for daft lightweight theatrical fantasy. There are plenty of storytelling systems if you want that, or blow the dust off a copy of Rolemaster and see how many permanently crippling injuries you can rack up from a housecat scratch.

 

I'm fascinated to see what Cavill and Amazon do with 40K, given budget constraints - they won't want another billion dollar Rangz flop on their hands. The suggestion I've seen is that they'll go for  something in the crime series rather than raw bolter-porn, which could be intriguing - if done right.

[Skullchewer]

Crime series....

I'm an interview with Cavill the interviewer was asking about potential characters he could play, and threw out Eisenhorn.

I would fucking watch the shit out of Cavill as Eisenhorn.

[Rogerborg]

Yup, Eisenhorn has been pitched for years - this might actually make it happen.

 

I'd like to say Gina Carano as Kara Swole, mostly because it's fun to say Gina Carano and Kara Swole.

[The Waco Kid]

I am hunting through the attic for my vinyl of D-Rok Oblivion. 
 

Because it’s time to bring the on the Noise Marines!

 

 

[Skullchewer]

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Edited January 14, 2023 by Skullchewer

[Skullchewer]

First five gangers, and a bunch of scenery, painted.

[Rogerborg]

Back on the crack.  Lovely job, great detail work.

[CrackCommandoUnit1972]

No Space Hulk.

 

Why don't they do it anymore?

[ghostwalker]

a fellow nerd of the plastic or plasticrack addict. Been a gw gamer for decades though not the latest iteration of 40k. But dang if you think gw is expensive, don't get into marvel crisis protocol. We made that mistake and that sucker would financially ruin bill gates

[mbea61]

On 01/02/2023 at 21:17, CrackCommandoUnit1972 said:

No Space Hulk.

 

Why don't they do it anymore?

they do every so often they will release a limited run and I'm not sure if they have done a new version the last version was with the blood angels terminators which use to sell on ebay for daft money along with unopened copies of game going for £250 plus but every time they do a release the price crashes keep you eye on outpost games they usually have latest releases but gw price are stupid but everybody complains but still go back as it way the company markets everything and has more shops selling there products than any othere wargame shops etc apparently this year they turned over £450 million in sales that's a lot of money for selling plastic figures etc 

[Rogerborg]

And at a gross profit margin knocking on 70% (yes, seventy!?https://finbox.com/LSE:GAW/explorer/gp_margin/

 

It's a genius strategy, to create a monopoly that they enforce through their tournaments and shops.