TM MWS Longevity

[Guest dgiles06]

Hello there im looking at possibly purchasing a TM MWS M4 to base a build around 

how good is the platform interms of durability and wear over time 

what parts may need replacing after 20k rounds etc due to breakages and wear

ive heard all about the nozzle springs breaking using green gas will be picking up spares  

 

i will be upgrading it with parts such as 

 

the g&p roller bolt 

 

Steel sears or steel trigger set 

 

upgraded nozzle 

 

g&p buffertube

 

mec recoil buffer- wtf are those pads for??

 

and possibly a slr receiver set in a few years

 

just after a decent gbbr rifle that will be reliable for years that i can use at a skirmish 

everyone has recommended the mws over kwa,vfc and ghk

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Wavey_Gravey]

Buy the nozzle return spring, a harder nub and don’t touch anything else.

 

It will be golden and last you a good while before anything needs fiddling with.

[C-Diddy]

Apart from externals, listen to @Wavey_Gravey Sound advice

[Guest]

1 hour ago, dgiles06 said:

Hello there im looking at possibly purchasing a TM MWS M4 to base a build around 

how good is the platform interms of durability and wear over time 

what parts may need replacing after 20k rounds etc due to breakages and wear

ive heard all about the nozzle springs breaking using green gas will be picking up spares  

 

i will be upgrading it with parts such as 

 

the g&p roller bolt 

 

Steel sears or steel trigger set 

 

upgraded nozzle 

 

g&p buffertube

 

mec recoil buffer- wtf are those pads for??

 

and possibly a slr receiver set in a few years

 

just after a decent gbbr rifle that will be reliable for years that i can use at a skirmish 

everyone has recommended the mws over kwa,vfc and ghk

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barring spare nozzle springs and a better nub, ANYTHING else you do internally will make the gun worse.

Check out the huge thread on here about it

[Impulse]

Figured I'd echo what has been said, though I haven't even got a nozzle return spring for mine and it's still going strong. It's such a great platform out of the box and really requires the most minimal of internal upgrades. Externals however... I do plan on shoving a bunch of real-steel parts onto mine 

[Guest dgiles06]

6 hours ago, Wavey_Gravey said:

Buy the nozzle return spring, a harder nub and don’t touch anything else.

 

It will be golden and last you a good while before anything needs fiddling with.

Thanks alot for that realy helps I'm wanting to focus more on getting it externally good before I start to mess around with internal upgrades 

Realy eying up that dytac slr reciver 

And I might pair it with my centurian ams rail but it will be a long project considering the price of some of the parts 

[Guest dgiles06]

8 hours ago, Wavey_Gravey said:

Buy the nozzle return spring, a harder nub and don’t touch anything else.

 

It will be golden and last you a good while before anything needs fiddling with.

You think it will be alright on green gass concidoring it was designed for 134a or do you think tm thought of this 

[Cr0-Magnon]

On 08/01/2023 at 05:39, dgiles06 said:

You think it will be alright on green gass concidoring it was designed for 134a or do you think tm thought of this 

 

So you want to replace the parts straight away, just in case they wear out in the future and you have to replace them?

[C-Diddy]

On 08/01/2023 at 05:39, dgiles06 said:

You think it will be alright on green gass concidoring it was designed for 134a or do you think tm thought of this 

Pretty sure that most of us on here use green gas, so even straight out the box it'll run just fine.

 

Getting a few spares is not a bad idea, but not essential straightaway, and TM original parts are great. The only reason I have a few Guns Modify spares (springs mainly) is due to the lack of availability of TM parts.

[Davegolf]

OP obv not browsed through the MWS thread.

 

As others have said don’t mess with it, it doesn’t need ‘upgrading’.

 

Carry a spare nozzle return spring and nozzle, TM or GM brand.

You will be carrying these spares NOT because they will break due to a design flaw but because if you do need them they can be hard to find in a hurry.

 

Over a looooong time the return spring can fatigue - like 10s of thousands of rounds.

 

And the nozzle may get damaged if you get crud in your mag, or use crap/old/swollen BBs

 

Again most people break nozzles because they’ve ‘upgraded’ other parts. Leave it alone!!

Edited January 10, 2023 by Davegolf

[Groot]

I would try one first before committing but if you do decide to go for it.

Like said by everyone . Do not mess with the internals except I would recommend getting a decent NPAS. 
It gives you the ability to tune the power based on the gas and temp of the day. 
It also lets you run MAPP gas and not blow holes in people. 

 

Lastly, you will need one of these for accuracy https://sixgunsmithing.com/2018/03/11/sixg-super-nub-for-marui-gbbr/

 

But i would really try to borrow one and run a few games. 

I really didnt enjoy my MWS. The output, wasnt worth the effort. But i did make money on it, when i sold it . So hey ho. 

TM MP7 GBB is a better platform

 

Edited January 10, 2023 by Groot

[Davegolf]

MP7 obv better for CQB/Rush work, but MWS hands down best ranged GBBR on the planet.

 

MP7 is satisfyingly loud, but i am still annoyed they havent made a new version that is FULL SIZE!!!

[C-Diddy]

Love my MP7 but never use it, so eyes on the classifieds as it'll be there soon! 

 

 

 

 

[rj1986]

One thing i would recommend is the silent fill valves for the mags. Only a couple quid for 5.

[Davegolf]

They are not supposed to be silent, that’s air escaping as the gas fills up! 🙈

[rj1986]

Might be personal preference then - i still get a full fill, just without air/gas pissing everywhere

[AlphaBear]

One word of cautionary advice. Don’t use shitty Nuprol bbs in your MWS. You all know my views on their quality and what they did to my MWS. 

[C-Diddy]

3 hours ago, AlphaBear said:

One word of cautionary advice. Don’t use shitty Nuprol bbs in your MWS. You all know my views on their quality and what they did to my MWS. 

Amen. I've never used Nuprol BBs but have your words ringing in my ears everytime I see a bottle of them! Open Blasters and Geoffs Bio BBs are all I get now.